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Any chance maddy was abducted by aliens and that's why there is no evidence??????
Imo more plausible then kate and Gerry having nothing to do with her death. |
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Gonçalo Amaral:
"The testimony of one of the members of the Smith family that identified Gerry McCann as being the man he saw on the night that Maddie disappeared, carrying a child in his arms as he walked towards the beach was devalued after I left the case. It is a lie that the e-fit that the British police have now made public is based on the Smith family's witness statement." .......a member of the Smith family called us, very upset. Gerry [Maddie's father], who was leaving the plane, was the man that Mr Smith had seen carrying a child that night", the former coordinator explained. |
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Key witness identified Maddie's father
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OOPS meant to add link
http://joana-morais.blogspot.com/2013/10/key-witness-identified-maddies-father.html |
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Handbook of Masonry, page 183
You must conceal all crimes of your brother Masons...and should you be summoned as a witness against a brother Mason be always sure to shield him...It may be perjury to do this, it is true, but you're keeping your obligations. |
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..have you all worked it out yet....its all there....join the dots.
suddenly why two seemingly normal middle class people have had so much from the higher echelons is clear...isn't it???? |
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What can be concluded, without doubt, is Robert Murat had a lucky escape.
Yesterday it was reported in Portugal that a new witness told police he was in the same spot as Miss Tanner at the same time and saw no one. He is the second independent witness to dispute her story and police sources said they viewed Miss Tanner’s evidence as “unreliable” because of inconsistencies. Officers are concerned that she apparently changed her version of the sighting.She originally claimed she saw the suspect rushing towards the Baptista supermarket in Praia da Luz. She told police the child was wrapped in a blanket. A second independent witness reported seeing a similar man with a child in a blanket near the town’s church heading towards the beach. The route he took matches the alleged trail of death discovered by British sniffer dogs who detected the scent of a corpse. But Miss Tanner has now told detectives that the man was heading in a different direction – towards Murat’s home. Police regard her account as one of a series given by the McCanns and their friends to convince them that Madeleine had been kidnapped. Dr O’Brien, along with Mr Oldfield’s wife Rachael, 36, and another friend Dr Fiona Payne, 34, said they saw Murat near the McCanns’ apartment on May 3 and their claim appeared to shatter Murat’s alibi.Detectives interrogated the McCanns at police headquarters in Portimao 17 days ago over the discrepancies. The couple were told separately later that day they were being named as suspects or arguidos. It has long been considered a number of people may have been involved in this unfortunate case.In Portugal yesterday it was revealed that detectives have seized a British police manual from the McCanns. Officers believe the book could be used as a key piece of evidence in building a case against them. A Portuguese police source said: “It is certainly not the sort of reading material you would expect a couple to take on a relaxing family holiday". |
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A look at the McCanns' claim that Madeleine spoke to them on the morning of her disappearance, 03 May 2007, and asked them why they hadn't come when she and Sean had been crying the night before.
"If Madeleine hadn't been abducted we'd never have thought of that comment again," said Kate McCann. Yet Rachael Oldfield, Jane Tanner and Fiona Payne all say that Kate discussed the incident when they arrived at the Tapas restaurant on the evening of 03 May 2007. "I think the worst thing is, we, kind of, almost thought about not going and, errm... and did. We weren't sure we were going to get into the Tapas," said Gerry McCann, adding "remember?" to Kate. Yet, on the Monday of that week, Rachael Oldfield had arranged a block booking for the entire group to dine at the Tapas, at 8:30pm, for the rest of the holiday. |
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Q: Tell me what happened, that morning... what Madeleine said.
Kate McCann: Well, I... I can't remember if we'd just had breakfast, it was rou... it was, sort of, fairly early in the morning and she just very casually, really, said: (mimics Madeleine's voice) 'Where were you last night, when me and Sean cried?' and we immediately looked and said, you know: 'When was this, Madeleine? Was this when you were going to sleep?' and she didn't answer and then she just carried on playing, totally undistressed. Q: But did she tell you off when she was saying it? Kate McCann: No. It was a passing remark, you know, and... Gerry McCann: Madeleine's very articulate and, errr... for her age, and, errm... you know, it's unlike her, if she's got something to say, to drop it. She just did... literally, dropped it, errm... and we both, kind of, looked at each other and said: 'Was it when we had just put them down?' Kate McCann: We obviously told the police because we thought 'does this indicate that someone's been round the night before?' and that's what's woken her up; which is significant, you know... you know, I've... you know, I've persecuted myself over and over again about that statement because you think 'Why didn't I, kind of, just hold her and say 'What d'you mean? What d'you mean?,' you know, 'What d'you mean you woke up?,' you know, and, kind of... but, you don't think that. I mean, it's easy saying that after what's happened... Gerry McCann: I think the worst thing is, we, kind of, almost thought about not going and, errm... and did. We weren't sure we were going to get into the Tapas, (to Kate) remember? And, errm... Kate McCann: In fact, we were all... Gerry McCann: But, you know... Kate McCann: ...we were all going to go up to the Millennium again, that was... with the kids, which is what we did the first night. It was just, errm... it was just 'cause the walk was so long and we didn't have a buggy and the kids were tired by that time and I thought... we... we were... we did talk about going up to the Millennium that night. Gerry McCann: But, I mean, the worst thing is, that you can't change any of that and it doesn't help find her and I think we've actually... despite, you know, our own guilt, we've tried to focus on what we can change and, errr... you know, in the first few days, you know, obviously we focussed much, much more on the negatives and it doesn't help; doesn't help Madeleine; doesn't help us; and it doesn't find her... Kate McCann: I mean it's... Gerry McCann: ...and I suppose... Kate McCann: ... not like you never, never think about it, 'cause you do, you know, certainly, (to Gerry) you know, you're perhaps a bit better than me at looking forward all the time but, errm... you know, I do go back and it does upset you and you think: 'Ohh, Why didn't I say: 'Why did you cry? Why did you cry?, you know, and 'Why didn't we go the Millennium?' and blah, blah, blah', you know, and then, as Gerry said, the... the guilt you feel for not being there and giving someone that opportunity, you know, but then I just have to, kind of, reel myself in and think, you know, I know how much I love Madeleine and I have no doubt that Madeleine knows how much, you know, I love her and I think... I mean, I know that, and I've just got to think, regardless of what all those people say out there; you know, those bloggers and people on the forums who obviously get some kind of kick out of being nasty. I know that, and I know Madeleine knows that, and I've just got to, kind of, keep hold of that, really... |
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Rachael Oldfield arranges the block booking for the Tapas restaurant at 20:30pm every night
Rogatory interview extract Q: "Okay and then in the evenings?" Rachael Oldfield: "And then the evening, yes, so on, that, 'cause the Sunday night had worked well with us, sort of, eating dinner as adults and, you know, just going back to check on the children, errm... that... but at the Tapas, they said... they... you could only book in the morning; you couldn't, kind of, block book or anything like that. You had to, kind of, call them at, you know, eight or nine o’clock and say that you wanted a table for that night, errm... and because we were a big group of nine, errm... I begged and pleaded with them to let us book for the whole week, a table at eight thirty every night, errm..." Q: "When did you do that?" Rachael Oldfield: "Because otherwise..." Q: "No sorry, when?" Rachael Oldfield: "Oh, when? That was on the Monday morning, errm... because, you know, otherwise we... it would have just been really difficult to... well, have a... have dinner in peace and, errm... errr... you know, we couldn't really have gone anywhere else, 'cause... oh yeah, we'd have had... I'd have to take the children or put them... there was a... like a crèche, you could put them in, in the evening when you went to dinner but you know we were all, kind of, you know... the kids generally go to bed at seven thirty and they're tired out, they need to sleep but if they went somewhere else, they wouldn't have slept and, errm... and you would have been up late, so we didn't want to do that and, you know, the Tapas was there and, you know, the apartment, you know, we could see the apartments just there, you know, it was only sort of, you know... birds-eye view was only, sort of, you know, thirty metres or something like that, so, errm... and, you know... and we kept going and checking, so that seemed like, kind of, a good option." |
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Excerpt from Jane Tanner's Rogatory interview with Leicestershire police on 08 April 2008
Q: "Right, okay. Now you have had your lunch, is there anything else that you need to say before we move on?" Jane Tanner: "Errm... I don't think so. I think just to... I was thinking, one thing I didn't mention is at the... I'm not sure when, when abouts in the meal, but I did have a conversation with Kate about... she'd said that she'd... Madeleine had said something strange about 'Where were you last night when I woke up?'. And, as I say, I can't remember where in the meal she said this, but she did, sort of say. Oh, I thought she said... I thought that was a bit odd when... when Kate said, you know, Madeleine, obviously, she did say: 'Where were you when...', you know, I think she said: 'When Sean and I woke up?', I can't remember whether it was when two of them woke up. So I think Kate was more worried that night, you know, whether leaving them was the... the right thing, or so to speak, so... so you were saying then, about the frequency of the checks, I was just wondering if that was another reason, you know, why maybe the checks were more often." Q: "Yeah. How did Kate seem when she mentioned that?" Jane Tanner: "Fine, she was just, sort of, a bit, I think, you could see she was just a bit, sort of, concerned. I think, because it was, sort of, like 'Oh, I wonder if she did wake up?'. I think she thought she hadn't woken up, really, Madeleine just was saying it. But she did, yeah, you could tell it was... she was a bit, sort of, more worried, you know, than other... other nights, there'd never been anything, but obviously the fact she'd said that, sort of..." Q: "Put it into mind?" Jane Tanner: "Yeah, yeah." Q: "And you don't remember exactly at what point that was said?" Jane Tanner: "No, I think it was fairly early on, but, I mean, I don't know whether it was, errm... I would think it would probably be early on. I think it was when... I don’t think everybody else was there when she said that, so that would suggest it was early on. But I can't... that's... that's a recollection, I can't say for sure." |
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Excerpt from Fiona Payne's Rogatory interview with Leicestershire police on 10 April 2008
Q: "I just want to cover a couple of points that you raised." Fiona Payne: "Yeah." Q: "Just going back to your meal, where you say that Kate spoke about... this is probably a little bit out of synch." Fiona Payne: "Yeah." Q: "But you said that Kate told you about Madeleine waking up?" Fiona Payne: "Yeah." Q: "And you couldn't remember... you didn't... you weren't sure whether it was the night before?" Fiona Payne: "Yeah." Q: "Or... you know, the night before that?" Fiona Payne: "Yeah." Q: "What were the circumstances regarding her telling you that?" Fiona Payne: "She did... she brought it up and that she - I mean, this is awful in retrospect, as well - she asked what my opinion was on, errm... tut, on whether they were okay leaving the... the doors unlocked, because she was saying: 'Is it better that, if Madeleine wakes up, she can get out and find us or...,' errm... 'or locking it and, you know, finding that we're not there and the door's locked, if she woke up,' because Madeleine had woken up, what I thought was the night before. Errm... tut, and it was in that context, really, just asking, you know, what I thought. So it was obviously something that was on her mind a bit, huh." Q: "So she asked you what your thoughts were regarding locking?" Fiona Payne: "Yeah." Q: "Did she say whether she had locked or..?" Fiona Payne: "No, that was the point, I think they said they'd left it, well she'd said she'd left it unlocked." Q: "Left the patio?" Fiona Payne: "And she felt a bit nervous about it but Gerry... Gerry had sort of said: 'Oh, it will be fine,' you know. But she was obviously... because it wasn't something she was quite easy with, that's the way it came across, you know, but... but Gerry said, you know: 'It'll be fine. It'll be fine'. Because I don't imagine she would have said anything, otherwise, if it hadn't been on her mind. And the fact was she... she... you know, commented on it being really strange that... that Madeleine had said this, about waking up and them not being there, and she'd mentioned that in the context of that conversation." Q: "And can you remember exactly what she said that Madeleine had said?" Fiona Payne: "Tut, just words such as, errm.. 'Sean and I woke up and we were crying, mummy, and where were you?'" |
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And these people are doctors? They speak like rappers.
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They weren't concerned about the children waking and them not being there, that much can be concluded, because they wouldn't have kept doing it night after night, which is a fact not disputed by the McCanns, they'd have just took it in turns to stay in.
What they were concerned about is sowing the seeds that somebody may have been in/close to the apartment making sure everyone knew that Madeleine and Sean had cried and it could have been the 'abductor' that woke them. It's laughable really because they say her, Madeleines, comment was nothing that they thought no more of it until after she'd been taken yet had informed their friends of her comment on the fateful night, sowing the seeds yet again. |
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Ok this what I can gather.... Kate is a coont......Gerry is a coont..... and probably most of the tapas 9 are also coonts.
Can anyone dispute this? |
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no,they are definately white
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"Nobody lies without a reason"
by Idálio Revez 05 March 2010 Thanks to Astro for translation The first time that Robert Murat was questioned at the PJ in Portimão, his lawyer Francisco Pagarete tells, the questions were of the kind: "You did it! Tell us what you did with the child!". At that time, the investigators were looking for a thread that would lead them to a possible abductor. One and a half months later, the situation changes: "How did you help the parents get rid of the child's body?". In August, already accompanied by his lawyer, the police environment changes radically: "We know you have nothing to do with this, we apologise for making you come back here once more". About Maddie's disappearance, the lawyer says: "I don't know what happened to the child – I just say one thing: if nobody did anything wrong, why did they point a finger at Murat?". And concerning the question that disquiets Murat – "Why did the McCanns' three friends lie, saying that they had seen him there [Ocean Club] on that night" - he adds his own opinion: "Nobody lies without a reason". Concerning what was said and written about this subject, he considers that the media left his client "lying on the floor" and that his life was never the same again. "Children threw stones at the house, saying: "A bad man lives here". During the summer of 2007, people would roam towards Casa Liliana, in Praia da Luz, where Murat lived. "Psychologically, he was shattered," he stresses, recalling that little by little, he tries to emerge from the depression that he fell into, but it is very hard. "Before I am his lawyer, I am his friend," he states, recalling that they went to kindergarten together. "There is a difference between freedom of expression and rummaging through people's private life." "The right to give news ends where another person's right to an intimate life starts". Concerning the British media, his position is very critical: "The press was biased. The news was broken in the following way: "This man is guilty, we have already caught him and it was even us who turned him over to the police"," he says, alluding to the journalist who said she had noted "strange" signs in Murat during his contact with the media. But there is a difference in the way that these cases are handled in Portugal and in England. The lawsuits that were filed against the British press were swiftly settled with a "deal" concerning the amount of the compensation. In our country, "there is no evolution" concerning the five lawsuits that have been filed almost one year ago. "The sensationalist newspapers are sensationalist by nature. The others just did their job," he says. |
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it stinks rotton, if and i mean IF Maddie had been taken there is no way you would leave the twins there alone and go back to the tapas bar.
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-24626422
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Yes, your immediate reaction is your child has been abducted. The abductor could still even be in the apartment yet you leave your other children unattended. If your were really worried you would not do that.
What I cant understand is that the other two children apparently slept through all the commotion in the apartment afterwards. Nobody think of trying to find out if they might have seen or heard anything earlier. That would surely be the first thing you would do. |
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or look at their medicine........................
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Seriously, you have 3 children in bed. One goes missing. You don't try and waken the other two to find out if they know anything. You fear an abduction has happened but you leave the other two children alone.
In such a situation there is only one reason why you would not or could not waken the other children up and take them with you. |
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too deep to paddle M8................
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did gerry mcann say when he checked the room before kate he had a feeling someone was in the room ?
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yes but thought nothing of it and went back out on the lash
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U mean the "ghost of"
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grim reaper
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very strange indeed !
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Would you buy a used car off McCann?
An ornery looking cowpoke if ever i saw one... |
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dont be so rude!
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http://www.sovereignindependentuk.co.uk/2013/10/06/paedophile-infested-bbc-ignores-major-development-in-madeleine-mccann-case-as-robert-murat-agrees-to-madeleine-dig/
Now I don't know about this mans theories but if this dig does go ahead, which I doubt, it could be interesting because the British and Portuguese Authorities have been dead against it. The McCanns who jet off to far flung places at the mere mention of a 'sighting' of Madeleine think he's a crackpot and haven't been interested at all in digging up the ground despite them thinking Murat was the 'abductor' even stating this almost a year after he'd been cleared. Because of this alone you'd think they'd be right behind any theories about a body being buried in the garden and would be campaigning loudly that the 'dig' should go ahead, wouldn't you? Remember they state loudly they will leave no stone unturned in the search for their daughter so it seems strange that they aren't interested in any, however outlandish, theory that Madeleine could be buried in the grounds of the house that Robert Murat was living in when Madeleine 'disappeared'. |
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Where is it in relation to the apartment and the sightings of man carries child towards beach?
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Its in the opposite direction - Tanner directed her sighting heading towards Murats house. Most likely that guy is a crackpot, the police had the dogs all over Murats house and they indicated nothing , unlike at other places.
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Murat wants cash for the digging. If any one thought there was body there you wouldnt be offering it out to the highest bidder
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Amaral in his book claims Jane Tanner identified Murat as her abductor when she was taken to watch him from a surveillance van
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Amaral in his book claims Jane Tanner identified Murat as her abductor when she was taken to watch him from a surveillance van
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Amaral in his book claims Jane Tanner identified Murat as her abductor when she was taken to watch him from a surveillance van
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we know she was taken in a van to id Murat - it's in the files - but it doesn't actually say if she fingered Murat or not
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It doesn't matter what the whys, maybes and wherefores are, the McCanns thought Murat was the abductor, they still thought that after he was cleared and publicly said so. They cling to any sighting yet are not in the slightest bit interested about someone, even if it was an escaped mental patient, saying there is a body in the garden of where the one time prime suspect/the man they, and Clarence Mitchell, thought was responsible for their daughters disappearance the man Jane Tanner originally identified as carrying a young girl and who three of their friends identified as being near their apartment on the 3rd of May 2007.
Murat wants money to cover the cost of repairing the drive after the 'dig'. I don't go for the guys story but I also don't understand why the McCanns aren't all for it given what they, their friends and their publicist/spokesman think of Robert Murat , I know I would be if I thought there was even a miniscule chance of getting 'closure'. |
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Body would have been found by the dogs or a grave located by the detection of heat from decomposition .
dogs/forensic would have been used on Murat and his property . How would that explain dogs evidence in Villa ? murat planted that evidence ? Media pointed finger at Murat imo at a time the people in the UK were not privy from that same media as to what the real thoughts of the Portuguese authority's were or what direction they were really going . |