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By:
tobermory
When: 23 Oct 13 00:42
What can be concluded, without doubt, is Robert Murat had a lucky escape

Certainly seemed to be a concerted effort to put him in the frame . If DCI Redwood had been on the case back then this would have been 'solved' way back .
By:
xmoneyx
When: 23 Oct 13 01:17
u mean wrong people in jail
By:
buzzer
When: 23 Oct 13 12:59
I must admit this had passed me by in this saga. Goncalo Amaral who resigned, and was not sacked because of torturing someone to get them to admit to a crime as the British press still have us believe, has had his life ruined totally by Metodo3 the firm of detectives the McCanns hired to 'find Madeleine' ably assisted by the British Press!

Scotland Yard not only have the complete files of the PJ, but they also have the files from Metodo3 and presumably Dave Edgar. Will they stand up to a close reading? We know they wont, so SY must ask, are the Drs' McCann really naive enough to be duped by 7 (?) firms of private investigators? The hot baked wind blowing in from the South, will be the trials for money laundering and fraud of the illustrious directors of Metodo 3. Their crazy Mr. Fixer (Marcos Correia) having hot footed it to Brazil. The Portuguese people already know that Metodo 3 paid Marcos Correia to get Leonor Cipriano to say she was tortured by Goncalo Amaral. She has just had 7 months added to her murder sentence for lying about Goncalo Amaral.
By:
Hound-Dog-2
When: 23 Oct 13 13:18
With all this recent coverage in the media and especially the huge coverage it got on Crimewatch.    This investigation still seems to be going nowhere,   so what was the point to blow it all up again  (?)  Or maybe the police were trying to make “wind” and hope that somebody (maybe family/friends) would  say or do something to incriminate themselves.
By:
buzzer
When: 23 Oct 13 13:19
The thread of criminality running through the McCann Team’s investigators. If the BBC had researched the background material to this case correctly before even considering to screen this reconstruction, then you will be aware that the McCanns’ first preferred detectives, the Spanish firm Metodo 3, has a long record of criminal conduct. Two of Metodo 3’s investigators who worked very closely with the head of the McCann Team’s private investigators, Cheshire businessman Brian Kennedy, have served time in prison. Antonio Giminez Raso spent four years in prison on remand due to his association with a 27-criminal gang of drug-dealers who were convicted of serious criminal charges in a Barcelona court last year. Julian Peribanez, who also worked very closely with Brian Kennedy, has spent much of this year after his arrest for illegally taping the conversations of Spanish politicians, an offence he has now admitted and for which he is awaiting sentence. The McCanns also employed Kevin Halligen, who charged the McCann Team £500,000 plus expenses yet, as exposed in a 2009 article in the Evening Standard and elsewhere, spent most of the time he was employed by them on high living in London, Oxfordshire and the U.S.with his girlfriend Shirin Trachiotis, and was arrested in 2009 on serious fraud charges in the U.S. which he eventually admitted. He spent a total of four years in Belmarsh and another top security prison in the U.S. None of these investigators had any experience in locating missing children but most had expertise in such areas as money laundering and fraud.



These private detectives have together with the McCann Team produced a bewildering variety of so-called ‘suspects’ and ‘person of interest’, 21 in total so far, two of them women, a fact which also totally undermines the credibility of the McCann Team’s private investigators.
By:
buzzer
When: 23 Oct 13 13:27
The McCanns and their advisers have blown it all up again to coincide with the libel trial against Goncalo Amaral, going on in Lisbon, to keep up the abduction theory because his book, which I'm sure the majority know, disputes the abduction theory which has been peddled from the outset by the McCanns and friends. They, alongside Carter Ruck Leading law firm specialising in defamation law, libel law, slander law, tried their very best to get Goncalo Amaral to settle out of court stating the British newspapers paid them substantial damages but Amaral stood firm to go to court and to put it mildly the case isn't going the way of the McCanns so far.
By:
BARROWBOY
When: 23 Oct 13 14:01
would anyone care to speculate on the repercussions for the mccanns should they lose this libel case.
By:
Ivor
When: 23 Oct 13 14:33
I suspect 'nottalot'.. the case will have been financed from 'the fund' so I doubt they'd be personally financially damaged. The case is not considering any crime wrt Maddie's disappearance - just the publication of book and dvd and the damage they claim it has done to the search and their feelings.
By:
buzzer
When: 23 Oct 13 16:47
The Portuguese priest who gave solace to the McCann family after the ‘disappearance’ of their daughter Madeleine has stripped his church of all traces of the girl, with friends saying the experience has left him “ruined”.
Fr Pacheco was questioned twice by detectives, and the church and its grounds were searched by police, because investigators became convinced Kate McCann had confessed to him. Friends of Fr Pacheco – who came under police scrutiny after he gave the keys to his church to Gerry and Kate McCann to allow them to pray round the clock – say they feared for his health and that his life is now completely ruined, they are desperate for him to open up but Fr Pacheco has insisted he would stand by his priestly vow. The seal of the confessional is inviolate and he thought he was helping a family in need, parents who had lost a daughter.
A close friend of Fr Pacheco said the priest still becomes irate at the mention of the Madeleine case and that even friends must tread carefully when broaching the subject. He has been 'deceived’ and this 'deception' has forced him into retirement and consequent silence.


I wonder how Father Pacheco now feels about the McCanns? I suppose whatever he said now, even if he wanted to, about a confessional would only be classed as hearsay by the McCanns powerful lawyers and would be inadmissible in a court of law, or would it? I honestly don't know but it looks as if another potential avenue will never be opened.
By:
naydam
When: 23 Oct 13 21:55
On the other hand, of course, Father Pacheco may well have important information from police officers that might wish to confess to trying to fit somebody up.
But he's not allowed to say anything so my point is totally irrelevant. As is yours.
By:
breadnbutter
When: 24 Oct 13 00:21
deflect and deny tactics from the apologists  in full swing.

Have every confidence the liable case will be lost and lets see where team McCann go from there .
By:
brendanuk1
When: 24 Oct 13 07:20
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-24626422
Blonde girl, 7, removed from Dublin Roma family - 23rd October
A spokesman for Kate and Gerry McCann, whose three-year-old daughter Madeleine went missing in Portugal in 2007, said the case also gave them hope that she would one day be found alive

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-24645947
DNA tests prove Dublin Roma girl is part of family - 24rd October
No quote from Kate and Gerry McCann spokesman Confused
By:
naydam
When: 24 Oct 13 10:09
What would you like them to say? I would suggest that several people, unrelated to the McCann case, must have thought the same thing.

I have no idea how the Libel case is proceeding...but I have no doubt that, IF they win the case, there will be loads of people on here claiming the McCanns pulled strings etc. with their 'legal team'.
By:
SqueezeFirmly
When: 24 Oct 13 13:00
As this is a betting site and everybody has one or more opinions on this case, how would you bet:

Madeleine dead or alive at this moment:
1/5 dead and disposed with
7/2 alive and happy elsewhere

Killed by the McCanns, either accidentally or otherwise, or kidnapped by a stranger
1/5 McCanns
7/2 Kidnapped by a stranger

One or more of the Tapas Nine to be lying
1/3 lying (which includes 'unable to remember')
5/2 being truthful (nobody would forget what really happened imo)

McCanns did it, and look to be getting away with it, or going to get found guilty
1/10 - did it, but no trial or guilty verdict
8/1 - did it, and will be found guilty at a trial

Public sympathy vote for McCanns
1/3 less than 50% feel sorry for them
5/2 neglectful parents


Every favourite, for me
By:
xmoneyx
When: 24 Oct 13 13:03
lumping on 5/2 neglectful parents
By:
leazes67
When: 24 Oct 13 13:10
case re-opened by portugese police...interesting.
By:
leazes67
When: 24 Oct 13 13:10
sky news now.
By:
Ken Masters
When: 24 Oct 13 13:16
Marvellous news, I tipped them off about this thread, expect arrests very soon. Either them or you.
By:
jabmast
When: 24 Oct 13 13:37
Hypothetically if the UK investigation had unearthed some new evidence that implicated someone (whether the McCanns or someone else), presumably the only course of action available to them as the crime was committed on foreign soil, would be to pass the evidence over and get the Portuguese authorities to officially reopen the case, like they have just announced?
By:
BARROWBOY
When: 24 Oct 13 13:37
Given the amount of political pressure applied by influential people in this country on the case,id have far more faith in the portuguese plod finding out the truth rather than our lot.
By:
onlooker
When: 24 Oct 13 14:19
PORTUGESE Police set to RE-Open THEIR Inquiry into the 'disappearance' of Madeleine McCann

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-24655826
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Portuguese police have reopened their inquiry into the disappearance of British girl Madeleine McCann, the public prosecutor's office has said.

Madeleine, from Leicestershire, was three when she disappeared from Praia da Luz in the Algarve in May 2007.

Portugal's attorney-general said "new elements of evidence" justified the "continuation of the investigation", which was shelved by police in 2008.

Madeleine's parents said they hoped for "the answers we so desperately need".

Scotland Yard began a review of the case in May 2011 - codenamed Operation Grange - and opened a formal investigation in July this year.

They said the Portuguese decision followed the "discovery of new lines of inquiry as a result of an internal review of the original investigation by the Portuguese Policia Judiciaria".
'Highly significant'

It comes after Scotland Yard said at a briefing earlier this year that the Portuguese inquiry would not be re-opened until judges there were convinced there were solid grounds to do so.

It would appear the decision is highly significant, BBC home affairs correspondent Danny Shaw said.
Continue reading the main story   
“Start Quote

    We hope that this will finally lead to her being found and to the discovery of whoever is responsible for this crime”

Kate and Gerry McCann

Assistant Commissioner Mark Rowley and Det Ch Insp Andy Redwood met senior Portuguese police last Thursday in Lisbon for a briefing on the new lines of enquiry which they said were "separate" to those being followed by the Met.

Madeleine's parents, Kate and Gerry McCann, were also briefed on the plans to apply to reopen the investigation.

They said they were "very pleased" the Portuguese inquiry, which will run in parallel with the Met operation, was being reopened.

"We hope that this will finally lead to her being found and to the discovery of whoever is responsible for this crime," they said.

"We once again urge any member of the public who may have information relating to Madeleine's abduction to contact the police in Portugal or the UK."

Mr Rowley, assistant commissioner for specialist crime and operations, said the meeting was "very positive" and both forces had a "shared determination" to solve the case.

"I believe that we have the best opportunity yet to finally understand what happened to Madeleine," he said.

UK Home Secretary Theresa May welcomed the development, saying: "I I hope what we are going to see is a resolution of this case for the sake of Maddie's parents and family."
By:
buzzer
When: 24 Oct 13 15:43
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-k8spSG8NsnQ/UZYJNtfc9CI/AAAAAAAAJDo/CUAQoFATxo4/s1600/got_aw10.jpg
By:
breadnbutter
When: 24 Oct 13 16:28
Kate and Gerry must be absolutely delighted ,just what they have always wanted .

Do you need a body to be found to have a successful conviction of murder in Portugal ?
By:
naydam
When: 24 Oct 13 18:02
They will, indeed, be happy to see the case re-opened. Perhaps this could indicate that it should never have been closed in the first place.
Without knowing what the reasons are for the decision by the Portuguese judiciary we can only guess at the significance. But, whatever it is/they are it can only be good for hope in solving the case.
By:
Ivor
When: 24 Oct 13 18:11
Stretches my imagination really. Lets all go fishing for red Portuguese herrings.
By:
naydam
When: 24 Oct 13 18:17
I'm sure the judges wouldn't approve of your comment. Especially as you have no idea whatsoever for their decisions!
I think I'd take their knowledge and wisdom over the usual snide and/or vindictive comments from the uninformed.
By:
JOMO
When: 24 Oct 13 18:44
Moths did it. Left handed moths.
By:
Ivor
When: 24 Oct 13 18:51
Come back to me when there are any significant developments naydam!
I won't hold my breath.
By:
1st time poster
When: 24 Oct 13 18:54
dont think the portugese police would be reopenin the case if any results pointed to the mcaans been right all along and the police been negligent, on the other hand the cynic in me says this is just a comestic exercise to cover their bots if scotland yard unearth something they,ve missed
a 3rd option is the 2 forces are joining together to continue the flushing out of the perpetrators
By:
donny osmond
When: 24 Oct 13 20:06
bit of overtime for local plod as the holiday season winds down ( nap)



maybe we can send a squadron of fobts to help provide finace
By:
A_T
When: 24 Oct 13 20:12

The McCanns’ spokesman Clarence Mitchell said yesterday: “These two cases have given Kate and Gerry renewed hope for their daughter. “Whenever any child is recovered in circumstances like this it gives Kate and Gerry hope that Madeleine, too, will also be found.”


Well the girl in Ireland was the daughter of the Roma girl, the other in Greece was sold off by her Bulgarian Roma parents. So that's that theory trashed.

By:
akabula
When: 24 Oct 13 20:34
If this forum can't solve the case what chance do the Portuguese and UK police have?
By:
naydam
When: 24 Oct 13 20:54
Ivor, I would have thought that re-opening the case WAS a significant development. In a real-life significant sort of way. Obviously not like a Colombo significant way.
By:
egner
When: 24 Oct 13 20:58
....all the information you need ..

to realise why this ordinary middle class couple have had so much backing from certain quarters and why the uk media to a man have not asked any of the questions you would expect, despite the huge number of the anomalies....

is on this thread in some form or other.....join the dots....yep.
By:
naydam
When: 24 Oct 13 21:50
All I got was three dashes. SadSad
By:
guinness2dear
When: 24 Oct 13 22:03
"There's none so blind as those who will not see"

In other news..... There was actually 2 "finds" in Ireland. The girl, and a 2 yr old boy who was later found to be albino..

Both children are back with their parents who are considering legal action..

Earlier reports of DCI Redwood being in Ireland were denied by local Gardai....
By:
A_T
When: 24 Oct 13 22:10
the Greek girl also turns out to have been sold by her Bulgarian gypsy parents - Clarence strangely silent on the issue
By:
SoYouThink
When: 24 Oct 13 22:17
Remarkable A_T you have an answer for everything. You should have been a detective.

How do you explain the huge numbers coming forward to claim the girl was theirs (was it 10,000 or a ridiculous figure like that)....clearly children go missing more often than you would like to admit.

By the way....no evidence for an abduction.....how about the child has been missing for 6 years and nobody knows where she is.....or do you prefer to ignore the obvious? If that's not evidence of an abduction, then I don't know what is.
By:
SoYouThink
When: 24 Oct 13 22:19
Portuguese police to investigate the case again - can't wait to hear your theory A_T when they don't suspect the McCanns.
By:
GladysCrackingtackle
When: 24 Oct 13 23:45

Oct 24, 2013 -- 10:03PM, guinness2dear wrote:


"There's none so blind as those who will not see"In other news..... There was actually 2 "finds" in Ireland. The girl, and a 2 yr old boy who was later found to be albino..Both children are back with their parents who are considering legal action..Earlier reports of DCI Redwood being in Ireland were denied by local Gardai....


`Albino` - Thought that was a comic like  `Old Dandy`

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