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Foinavon
When: 22 Jun 13 19:11
Message to Screaming. Can you give me some tips on uploading photos please? When I press the "upload photos" button, nothing happens. Nice pics by the way, your crops are growing well.
By:
Blades
When: 22 Jun 13 19:35
Thanks Foinavon and JackExcited...let's pray for some sunshine!
By:
Foinavon
When: 22 Jun 13 20:36
There's still time to start a few more runner bean seeds to fill any gaps if you are particularly worried about them.
Agree with you regarding sunshine, don't want another write off year like the last one. Have already harvested some baby beets and autumn planted onions. Have just sown some more beetroot in plugs to plant out when the garlic has been harvested in a few weeks time.
By:
screaming from beneaththewaves
When: 22 Jun 13 21:15
Click 'post reply', then 'insert photo', then 'upload photos', then 'Add from my computer'.

At this point on Windows7 and Google Chrome all my downloads appear. Double click on whichever picture you fancy and take it from there.
By:
Foinavon
When: 22 Jun 13 21:55
Thanks. After "upload photos" I see a button "Start Upload". Unfortunately nothing happens when I click on this. The same thing happens when I go to the "Blog" page. I've checked that I'm logged on to the main site. My PC is running Windows7. Can't think what else to try.
By:
Foinavon
When: 22 Jun 13 22:11
Changed to chrome from explorer and found it. Photo uploaded and now pending approval. The photo is in response to Blades and shows my runner beans to the left. Hope it will appear soon.
By:
Deltâ
When: 22 Jun 13 22:13
Foinavon


thanks for the Celeriac reply, appreciated and I think you may be spot on there.... something else..
By:
Foinavon
When: 22 Jun 13 22:18
No problem, Delta.Pleased to be of help.
By:
screaming from beneaththewaves
When: 22 Jun 13 23:37
Thanks for the kind words re the pics. A few more:

Rocket:
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A couple of my peppers in the foreground and a pair of Tumbler tomatoes from the garden centre in the background:
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This is the pepper from last year from which I saved the seeds for this year's crop:
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It's a corno di torro pepper ("horn of bull"), which is usually slim and pointy. I started with a packet of seeds from Wilkinson's three years ago, but by saving the seeds of the roundest fruit each year, I've managed to develop a more rounded and fleshier fruit. This is what they normally look like (taken from the Sutton's seeds website:
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By:
Foinavon
When: 23 Jun 13 00:21
Wow, you are fortunate to have a greenhouse. I have tomatoes and peppers in a cold frame and they are just starting to flower. My allotment photo has been approved, here it is.
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By:
screaming from beneaththewaves
When: 23 Jun 13 00:39
Excellent stuff, Foinavon. That looks so professional and well thought out.

The greenhouse is an accident really. The previous owner had stuck it at the end of the garden under the shade of a high boundary hedge and a conifer. On the eastern side a shed borders it to within less than a foot, while a couple of yards away to the west there's a 6-foot high panel fence.

So it's stupidly inefficient and there's no room in the garden to shift it to a more suitable position. About a quarter of the panes were broken when I moved in - presumably because the owner had got frustrated and given up on the project. I replaced the broken panes, coppiced as much of the hedge as possible and only use the shelves on the south- and west-facing sides to grow things. On that basis it's adequate for me. I use the rest of the space to dry out logs for firewood.
By:
Foinavon
When: 23 Jun 13 00:56
Thanks for your comments. Despite its shaded position, your greenhouse seems to be working reasonably well judging by the thriving tomatoes.
My photo was taken about a week ago and I wanted to show the state of the runner beans which had been checked by the cold weather. To the right foreground are gherkins and tomatoes planted through black fabric, the rest of that bed is out of shot but contains broad beans, beetroot and hamburg parsley.
The mid-ground has potatoes heavily mulched with grass cuttings. Behind them on the left are garlic and autumn planted onions almost ready for harvest and to the right are recently planted winter squash and courgettes. In the background are fruit bushes and utility areas. The garlic plot is no longer being weeded as the weeds remove water from the soil and help the crop to dry out and ripen. As soon as it is cleared in about a fortnight, the bed will be replanted with beetroot and quick growing salad vegetables.
By:
screaming from beneaththewaves
When: 23 Jun 13 08:10
D'oh! Thanks for the reminder to mulch the potatoes. I have a pile of lawn clippings drying in the greenhouse ready to apply once the spuds have been earthed up as high as possible, but had completely forgotten to do so.
By:
Deltâ
When: 23 Jun 13 10:30
great pics lads  thanks for posting

screaming' I have taken an alternative view on Potatoes this year as a experiment and that is no earthing up! [how radical}

my theory on this is that its time consuming, that on a small plot it is hard to set the rows far enough apart to allow space enough for ridging, that the ridge when the soil gets dry falls away and as some of the potatoes have grown near/in the ridge then they get exposed to light they go green and finally as one 'old boy' off the allotments explained to me, that when ridged up the plant is putting too much energy in growing its top all the time to keep peering through then it is not putting enough reserves into forming and growing the actual potatoes below ground.


so we will see how it goes, tbh the tops this year currrently look like the best potatoes I have had - but the proof will be whats below - we will see -

[the flaw to all the above is that earthing up helps to avoid the frost damage, luckily this year I was in late enough that frosts havent been a problem.]
By:
Foinavon
When: 23 Jun 13 10:47
If you don't ridge potatoes then you need a mulch of some sorts otherwise much of the crop will poke through and green. The usual "no ridge" technique is to plant through black plastic which is OK but encourages slugs. Potatoes need lots of water and without ridging and mulching you will have to water them more (unless we have a monsoon like last year).
By:
bongo
When: 23 Jun 13 11:55
Great photo ( and description ) Foinavon, cheers - i think some growers believe they have to use every inch of available land all of the time, but you've gone for generous gaps. Good luck.
By:
Foinavon
When: 23 Jun 13 12:01
Thanks Bongo. Best to give the plants enough room to thrive. The squash are planted a yard apart each way but they will be fighting for space by the end of July. I prefer the bed system as it helps plan rotation and you don't plant too many of one variety at the expense of other crops.
By:
rob_dylan
When: 23 Jun 13 13:55
Still havent got round to pictures.  Really want to take a pic of the compost heap, always half a dozen slow worms on the top, they make me feel ill, wonder if you can cook them.

My greenhouse got demolished in the recent winds which was gutting.  Think I saved the two potted toms and sweet peppers which Implanted out.  The runners and leeks I out side and watered but they still look a bit ropy so I just planted 2/3 runner bean seeds at the bottom of each of eight canes I had set up in a circle.   Other than that spend an hour and a half weeding and watering.  Next year I am going to have to think seriously about some sort of weed depressant measures.  How many hours a week do you guys spend weeding.  Filled about 5 big buckets full, gonna need some more compost space soon.  My pie in the sky plan for next year is to make some fancy timber framed netting that I can just lift on and off the raised beds.  My cane and bottle method weighed down by stones is only half satisfactory imo.  Great pictures and updates all.
By:
rob_dylan
When: 23 Jun 13 14:02
More stuff coming up too.  Swedes and parsnip just showing(hope they are not weeds). Toms getting bigger but still green and many misshapen.  1 inch long cucumbers showing.  I might pick a lettuce tomorrow morning for my sandwiches at work.  My flat mate has beaten me to the first harvest of the year though... She picked some mizuna this morning which looked very good.  My radish leaves dont look as good as sfbtw's and not sure they would be nice in a salad.  Perhaps theyve been eaten by something.
By:
Foinavon
When: 23 Jun 13 14:33
Don't spend much time weeding Rob to be honest. I mulch where possible and run a hoe along the rows every week where it's not. It's necessary to hand weed close to plants and seedlings and I do perhaps 15 minutes a week before my back gives out. Had problems with parsnips for the second year running. Last year planted three times and nothing germinated. This year the first sowing in April didn't germinate, the second sowing three weeks ago is just coming through. I find hamburg parsley more reliable although the roots are smaller. You can also pick a few leaves to use as parsley during the growing season too.
By:
Jack Hacksaw
When: 28 Jun 13 10:04
I spotted this book in The Works bookshop and bought it.  It is called Practical Allotments and is great for people, like me!, who like building things.  This Amazon link show it, but it is only £2.99 in The Works or online from them.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Practical-Allotments-Paul-Wagland/dp/1861086407
By:
rob_dylan
When: 28 Jun 13 18:53
I have bought loads of netting 4 times 2x10m worth, 80 square metres worth.  My plan this weekend is to buy a load of canes and try and lash up some proper frames that are easily lift upanddownable in one piece instead of my hatchet job with canes, plastic bottles and stones method.  Wish me luck.

Ate my first harvest this week... A lettuce.
By:
rob_dylan
When: 28 Jun 13 18:54
Thought of buying some plastic plumbing tubing, sawing it up and sticking 8inch lengths in the corners of each raised bed and then you can just plonk the cane based frame into those tubes and should be secure from the wind and easy to pull out and return.
By:
Foinavon
When: 28 Jun 13 19:49
Sounds good Rob, best of luck with it.
Did you work out which seedlings were the parsnips and which were weeds?
By:
rob_dylan
When: 28 Jun 13 20:12
No.  I just left it all and didnt weed at all.  I really really shall endeavour to take photos tomorrow morning and post on here.
By:
Foinavon
When: 28 Jun 13 23:01
Parsnip seedlings have two long narrow smooth seed leaves which appear first, followed a few days later by a true leaf which is flattish and circular in shape with a serrated edge similar to flat leaf parsley.
Colour is a light grassy green, usually paler than most weeds. Hope this helps. Weeded mine last week.
By:
blackbarn
When: 28 Jun 13 23:48
Anyone on here grown Fennel (Florence type). Couple of short rows sown here on 1/6, thinned to 6" earlier this week. Further thinning needed?  Earthing up needed?. Not grown before so grateful for hands on advice.
By:
Jack Hacksaw
When: 29 Jun 13 06:53
Rob, there is a solution in that book involving blue pipe, which I think is the mains-type pipe.  It is cut into lengths of say 2m and then curved into a semi circle and placed on pegs/dowel either in the ground or knocked into the tops of a raised bed container.  Netting is then placed over, I think.  I don't have the book to hand - and Amazon's Look Inside doesn't cover it - but will check when I can.
By:
rob_dylan
When: 29 Jun 13 06:55
I have seen that sort of thing before.  I shall try my method this weekend and then see how it goes.
By:
rob_dylan
When: 29 Jun 13 06:56
My main hassle is not the frame but the netting.  It is only 2m wide so I am going to need some way of tying two nets togetherparallel which shouldnt be too easy.  It is awkward stuff at the best of times.
By:
Jack Hacksaw
When: 29 Jun 13 07:16
Would you interweave some string between the two to join the nets?

How were you lashing the canes together?  Don't know if this would offer a a solution.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Flexiballs-Bosmere-connectors-Joiners-netting/dp/B001QT83IU
By:
rob_dylan
When: 29 Jun 13 08:28
Ive got loads of twine for lashing, I did see those fancy connector things but wasnt sure I could justify the expense if string was fine.  Now one thing I cant recall from my cub scout days... Do you wet the string after lashing or before to make it tighter?  I suspect it is irrelevant as my string looks kind of nylony.
By:
Jack Hacksaw
When: 29 Jun 13 09:18
Sorry, but can't help you.  Never did get my knot-tying badge!
By:
Deltâ
When: 29 Jun 13 09:27
homebase do 4mx8m - green fine square netting ....
By:
Foinavon
When: 29 Jun 13 09:45
I like to use cable ties to lash canes together. Cheap and strong and no fiddly knots to bother with.
By:
Foinavon
When: 29 Jun 13 11:57
Have had no luck with Florence fennel, Blackbarn. Tried to grow it once a few years ago but it was leathery and stringy, totally inedible. Depends where you live but possibly our summers are too marginal. If I tried again, would probably use some sort of weather protection like a polytunnel. Just guesswork unfortunately.
By:
blackbarn
When: 29 Jun 13 13:50
Thanks anyway Foinavon.  I'll let you know how I get on. They were under fleece until established. I am in mid Sussex and it is quite a warm spot (my neighbour has 50 acres of vines!!)
By:
Foinavon
When: 29 Jun 13 16:47
You probably stand a good chance then Blackbarn, Spring is usually colder and later here in the West Midlands.
I believe you have to cultivate fennel like celery. Keep it well watered at all times and bank up the swollen stem as it develops. Good luck, will be interested to know how you get on.
By:
rob_dylan
When: 30 Jun 13 14:09
Just done a good two hours down there.  Cant master uploading photos (havent got flash, an ipad thing i guess)but here are some tinypic images...

Todays produce, 2 lettuce spring onion and some spuds(the plants above ground appeared to have died so I just dug them up.


Slow worms on compost, goodness knows if you can see them


Todays work of art, my heath robinson netting frame using canes, string and half of my wind demolished greenhouse
By:
rob_dylan
When: 30 Jun 13 14:10
Not working? 

.http://tinypic.com/r/2j4au0j/5
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