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By:
Foinavon
When: 29 Aug 14 16:52
You are welcome Tommy.
By:
Tommy Toes
When: 29 Aug 14 17:09
Because of the programme 'Food Unwrapped' in the section about watercress, when the woman was going around an outside market asking people to place cards where they thought the fruit and veg with the most Vit C, iron and calcium were - and the correct answer to Vit C was red peppers and not citrus fruit, as everyone there (plus myself) thought would be the right answer, it led me to read up online about peppers and their nutritional value as I've been eating loads of them, in all colours, this year in stir-fry meals.

I couldn't believe how brilliant they are nutritionally!

One of the best foods you can eat - and they, like tomatoes (which I did know about), are considered a fruit and not a vegetable.

As I said, we live and learn don't we?
Which is great - but there really is a trick being missed by all the farmers and food producers in this country by not pointing out the immense benefits fruit and veg give you.

We all know that they are 'good for you' - but how fantastic they can be for a person is very much a light hidden under a bushel.
By:
breadnbutter
When: 29 Aug 14 20:31
Foinavon ....i am well north  of the Humber ,seeds were started indoors in late march and then brought on  undercover in the garden but  took a long time to get going in april/may .When should the flower  start producing the fruiting body ?
I should have cut it back to one or two flowers but  need to try a different variety next year ,its just to keep the kids interested tbh traditionally  its the Turnip that was used for Halloween up here in Scotland  and maybe thats just what i will do,kids are just Americanised now and want a  pumpkin .Tbh a struggle to produce a decent sized turnip as well Laugh

Am sure i tried Desiree before and they done well but just not huge ,prob need some decent manure ,not put any down for a few years .
By:
Foinavon
When: 29 Aug 14 21:05
breadnbutter,
I've never tried growing pumpkins undercover. Without artificial heat April/early May will probably be too cold for them even undercover. Sub-tropical plants like these need continuous growth and they are unlikely to recover from any setbacks caused by low temperatures.
Here in Birmingham I start them in a heated propagator early May and keep them in a cold frame until ready to plant out first or second week of June when all danger of frost has passed. The first flowers appear in July and at this time of year, late August, the fruits are large but soft and unripe. They need about another 6 weeks to ripen and mature and are left out as long as possible, keeping an eye on the forecast for the appearance of night frosts which will kill the plants.
Because of your shorter frost free period it's unlikely you can grow them outside successfully unless undercover when they should do well. (They need about 100 frost free days and nights to set fruit and ripen them).
I would suggest you follow my germination and planting out time table and grow them under plastic.Make sure they are kept well watered and ventilated. they are greedy feeders and I find chicken manure pellets work well.
I wish you success with them as they are tremendously satisfying to grow.
By:
Foinavon
When: 30 Aug 14 13:18
Here is a photo of the pumpkin patch taken about a week ago.
it's about 12 ft wide by 30 ft long and you can judge the size of the plants by the half buried 40 gallon blue drum.I only pinch out the growing tips when they stray beyond the boundary of their growing area.


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By:
Deltâ
When: 30 Aug 14 13:24
breadnbutter


Cara does the job for us bakers wise!
By:
breadnbutter
When: 30 Aug 14 15:32
A cant see no pumpkins Laugh,could do wi getting into that lot wi a strimmer Grin only joking nice looking  plot  is that fruit bushes at the back ?

Aye i have similar ,just  no pumpkins  ,still putting flowers out ,them leaves are vicious ,barbs and spikes Plain

Tried Cara year  before last Delta ,the year that nothing grew ,not a spud was seen in these parts .

So will maybe try it again next year ,its a waxy spud ?
By:
Foinavon
When: 30 Aug 14 16:48
Thanks Grin The leaves are solar panels making sugars for the pumpkins.
There are 24 plants so hoping for at least as many fruit. Will send you a pic at harvest time.
The bushes at the back are red, white and black currants. there are also some raspberry canes which need staking. The large tree is a damson which is shared by the 4 adjoining plots. I've made all the jam I need and there are plenty left over on the tree and covering the ground.
The rest of my plot is to the right of the camera and there are a couple of dwarf trees behind also out of shot.

I'll leave Delta to talk about spuds.
By:
Foinavon
When: 07 Sep 14 20:20
Lovely sunny day so went and planted garlic, 100 cloves in a 10x10  block.

Garlic planted in the Autumn always produces bigger bulbs than spring plantings and it's a much more pleasant task while the weather is warm instead of during a cold wet Spring.

Footnote for Breadnbutter.

Cara is a floury general purpose spud. If you want to grow a waxy one, then you can't beat Charlotte. These can produce bakers especially if you limit the number of eyes and give them some room.Usually ready by late July so can be dug before the arrival of blight.
By:
Foinavon
When: 12 Oct 14 11:13
Harvested the last of the winter squash (pumpkins) and shelling beans on Friday as night frosts are forecast.

It's the end of the gardening year and the start of preparations for the new one.

Photo for BreadnButter pending approval will be attached later.
By:
Ovalman.
When: 12 Oct 14 11:42
My growing in pots wasn't a big success but what did grow well was Tomatoes, Chillies and Peppers. I'm going to over-winter the latter 2 and hopefully get an early crop next year. The strawberries I bought from Lidl were also astounding, I've planted several runners for a bigger crop next year.

It's also time to bottle my Rhubarb wine that I made in May, it's still very cloudy but I think it's drinkable.
By:
Foinavon
When: 12 Oct 14 15:53
Pleased you got some decent results Ovalman. It's always a challenge when you haven't much space to play around with. Home grown strawberries are always worthwhile, thinking of expanding my crop too for next year. Have masses of raspberries this season (autumn gold) and am making loads of jam for want of something better to do with them.

The pumpkin photo is still awaiting approval. Either the moderators have gone on holiday or they noticed the naked woman in the background.
By:
Foinavon
When: 12 Oct 14 16:38
Here we go, photo for breadnButter as promised on 30th August.
The white ones are Crown Prince, the green ones Marina di Chioggia
I grew equal numbers of each variety but some of the green ones were harvested earlier as they ripen several weeks sooner.
For this reason, Marina di Chioggia would be the better choice for growing in Scotland.

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By:
Deltâ
When: 12 Oct 14 16:45
explain over wintering Peppers and Chillies someone please ...

I've always grown them [g/house] then chuck the plant at the season end

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By:
Ovalman.
When: 12 Oct 14 17:14
It's a first time for me but you trim the plant down like you would a rose bush and keep watered. It grows back as normal next year. Don't know why I'm bothering with the chillies as I've used 1 chillie all year for cooking Happy

Nice looking pumpkins, I've never tried growing them.
By:
Foinavon
When: 12 Oct 14 17:46
Thanks Ovalman. They are easy to grow (see 29 Aug 14 21:05 post) they need a sunny spot and can be grown up supports. The named varieties are firm and sweet with similar flavour and texture to butternut squash.
By:
Deltâ
When: 12 Oct 14 20:31
dont know how to trim a bush Shocked do how far back am I going on these peppers?
By:
Deltâ
When: 12 Oct 14 20:31
* so
By:
Deltâ
When: 12 Oct 14 20:32
and also, will they survive a winter in an unheated g/house iyo ?
By:
screaming from beneaththewaves
When: 12 Oct 14 23:50
Debatable whether it's worth it, Delta.

I've grown corno di toro peppers in an unheated greenhouse for several years now. Each autumn I prune the plants back and bring them indoors and keep the soil just damp enough to keep the stems green and the plants alive. The idea is to rest the plant so that it resumes youthful growth when conditions are suitable. (They definitely do not survive a UK winter in an unheated greenhouse, even in balmy Somerset; I've tried a few just to confirm that.)

About February time I'm feeling quite pleased with myself, as nearly all are looking green and healthy, but then one by one most go brown and die, perhaps simply owing to old age, or perhaps because of the cumulative effects of months of low-angle sunlight during a non-tropical winter. But about one in five does survive, with a tiny shoot appearing which grows into a whole new plant from the original stem once it becomes warm enough to send it out into the light of the greenhouse again.

But the reason I question whether it's worth it is because in my experience the over-wintered plant does not flower significantly earlier than newly grown seedlings, and they do take up a hell of a lot of room indoors over the winter.

If I'd made a better choice of woman to live with a few years ago and still owned a large house as a consequence, I'd just stick them in a spare room, water them occasionally and not care that 80% of them never make it to the spring. But having limited space filled with 4'-high stalks in 8" pots for half the year gets a bit annoying.

If you'd like to give it a go, you're looking at something like this:[   This image is no longer available.   ]

This is from last year. I'd pruned the branches back to V-shapes an inch or two long, apart from the ones where fruits were still growing. Once those were were harvested, everything was cut back to V-shaped branches.

This year, however, all my peppers are still in the (unheated) greenhouse producing fruit. I've had to remove plenty of flowering branches, because there's not enough hours of sunlight at this stage to power everything that's still budding. But for now I don't need to make a decision on whether to bother to prune properly and bring indoors for the winter.
By:
screaming from beneaththewaves
When: 13 Oct 14 00:10
Go back to page 17 and there are more pics and a long post by someone called Deltâ describing how to overwinter peppers.
By:
Deltâ
When: 13 Oct 14 08:33
cheers screaming - I wont bother then if the unheated g/house bit dont work  ..
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