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By:
Deltâ
When: 18 Mar 14 15:52
started some lettuce - in greenhouse (unheated), in yoghurt  pots

4x types

Lattuga
Little Gem
Black Seeded Simpson D'oh!
Buttercrunch


fingers crossed...
By:
egner
When: 18 Mar 14 15:56
good luck delta.
By:
Smar Tarse
When: 18 Mar 14 17:40
I have just seen something for the first time, i have mushrooms or toadstools in all my tomato pots.

One of them has grown up to just under the leaf of the tomato seedling and even though it isn't touching it has turned half of the leaf on that side black Crazy  Sad
By:
Deltâ
When: 18 Mar 14 17:51
eat won and let us know if its a mushroom or a toadstool

tar
By:
Smar Tarse
When: 18 Mar 14 17:52
errrr iam mad enough ta Grin
By:
blackbarn
When: 18 Mar 14 18:09
Smar Tarse - What are you growing them in? - Remember if you are using one of the new organic or non peat based compost it could have anything in it, including mushroom spores.

DeltaLaughLaugh - As I think you know, defo no difference between a mushroom and a toadstool. Most would call a chanterelle(=delicious)a toadstool and most would describe a Death Cap(=deceased)as a mushroom. I know the difference now, went on a foraging course/trip last November (4.2kg of wild mushroomsShockedand that was just me.  One guy got 6kg, but he'd been beforeCool)
By:
Smar Tarse
When: 18 Mar 14 18:30
Peat free compost. The part that intrigues me is the fact it ( the Mushstool ) can turn the seedling leaf half black but not be in direct contact with it.
By:
Deltâ
When: 18 Mar 14 20:07
my compost last year, as above, had someones used cotton bud in it.... Cry
By:
Smar Tarse
When: 18 Mar 14 20:48
My compost last year had "Premium" in large lettering on the packaging, it had bits of glazed tile, an elasticated cuff from something like a jacket and a plastic tap from one of those cartons of wine Crazy
By:
Jack Hacksaw
When: 18 Mar 14 20:51
Two voles in my compost.

I must admit, I don't like the thought of lifting the lid and there being a rat in there.
By:
Deltâ
When: 20 Mar 14 08:52
dewey 20 Mar 14 00:12 
My Gladioli are sprouting - is it too early to plant them.?
By:
Tommy Toes
When: 23 Mar 14 11:04
Amazing gardening tips about vegetables on Sunday Brunch at the moment.

One being; if you spray your tomatoes with water containing an aspirin tablet once a month, it will double the sweetness and vitamin c content of them.

Catch up with it on Ch4+1 at about 10:55 am.
By:
Tommy Toes
When: 23 Mar 14 11:56
Vegetable tips you've probably never heard of before on Ch4+1 now - Sunday Brunch - Ch13 Freeview.

Well worth watching for all growers.
By:
Tommy Toes
When: 23 Mar 14 12:15
Brilliant stuff from the botanist.

He said that most gardening books/tips are at least 60 years out of date and scientists are very poor at passing information on.

For those interested who didn't see it, his advice was:

Rubel blueberry plants are the best ones to grow.
They contain 400% more antioxidant than in blueberries bought in supermarkets, are very hardy and will grow in any part of the country.

If you put half an aspirin in a litre of water in a spray bottle and spray your tomatoes with it once a month it will increase the sweetness and vitamin C content.
It also works with strawberries and sweetcorn.

Butternut squash tastes far better 3 months after it's been harvested as the sugars increase in it greatly. Store them in a cool dark place.

There were also tips on growing strawberries on red plastic mulching sacks as the red light produced increases the yield by 20%.

Basil planted outside is far better than that grown in pots indoors.

Plus other bits and pieces that I didn't have time to write down.
By:
Ovalman.
When: 23 Mar 14 12:30
Cheers TT, recorded it and will watch later.

I just discovered a small council allotment close to me (15mins drive), will go and have a look later. I'm also going to the garden centre later to buy chillies and peppers.

Getting the bug again.
By:
Tommy Toes
When: 23 Mar 14 12:37
It's well worth watching, Ovalman.
As you know, I'm no gardener but I find it very interesting - especially when you come across a bloke like the botanist who tells you the science behind stuff.
The reason that the aspirin works on tomatoes (and other plants) is that it  is a chemical copy of a hormone that plants produce  for sweetness and vitamin levels.

If you like squash he also recommends one to grow that is much, much better than the Butternut variety and he also tells you about growing two seeds in one hole for something that produces a much better yield.

It was fascinating stuff.
By:
Ovalman.
When: 23 Mar 14 13:00
I've been on the council waiting list for 6 years, back then they told me it was a 10 year waiting list. Last I checked I was 70th in line and I reckon it will be another 10 years before I get offered. This "new" site was harder to find but my name's not on the list. I did read a few of the tenants are not upkeeping their plots so I'll go and have a look later. As it wasn't easy to find on the net I can't imagine many more will know about it so if I get my name down I might be lucky and get one from the evicted tenants. I only want a small space, enough for 6 - 8 beds to grow my basics.

I owned a private allotment before but it was a 10 mile round trip and was very expensive. It was also too big for me, I could only go once or twice a week. It was the driving in traffic that done my head in eventually. This new site is far closer so I'll stick my name down tomorrow.

I'm no expert but I'd know how to do it over again and not make the same mistakes.

Thanks for the heads up Happy
By:
Tommy Toes
When: 23 Mar 14 13:05
I know how keen a grower you are, Ovalman, but also know it must be a right pest if you have to travel miles to work on your plot, especially if it's too big - which is the reason Rob gave his up too, I think.

Better luck with the new one you're going to look at.
By:
Tommy Toes
When: 23 Mar 14 13:07
I've just had a look at the Channel4 tv page to see if it said the name of the botanist who was on, as if he had a webpage with some of his tips on it would be well worth reading, but, alas, it doesn't say who he was.
I'll see if they mention his name again at the end of the programme.
By:
Foinavon
When: 23 Mar 14 13:31
Thanks for the tips Tommy.
I've been growing winter squash for many years and agree that Butternut squash is not one of the best for the UK climate. I've tried most of them and find the best performers on my allotment in sunny Birmingham are "Crown Prince" which is a F1 hybrid and "Marina di Chioggia", a heirloom variety from Italy. "Marina" is open pollinated so the seeds are much cheaper than the F1 variety. It's also more robust, stores well and is very sweet and tasty.
By:
Tommy Toes
When: 23 Mar 14 14:31
Happy to be of use, Foinavon.

It's probably better if you watched the clip yourself on the Ch4 On Demand site. The botanist was on about 27 minutes into the programme.

They still haven't mentioned his name at the end of the +1 show.
By:
Tommy Toes
When: 23 Mar 14 14:32
I think the squash he recommended was called 'Red...something' It was a round squash, rather than the usual shape.
By:
Foinavon
When: 23 Mar 14 16:28
Probably Red Kuri Tommy, which is onion shaped. Haven't tried that one.

Here are pics from my plot last season. The green one is Marina di Chioggia and the cream coloured one is Crown Prince.

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By:
Ovalman.
When: 23 Mar 14 16:45
Excellent Foinavan, I've never tried to grow pumpkins or squashes, are they easy to grow in Northern Climates?

Has anyone grown any dwarf fruit trees? I seen potted ?peach? trees in Homebase earlier for £15 and am tempted but do they produce a decent crop? I'm asking about all fruit trees like apple and pear here and not just peach. I'd love a few for out my back so long as they don't take up much space.
By:
Deltâ
When: 23 Mar 14 16:57
Tommy Toes

thanks for the post re prog -

I will watch it later - - sounds v interesting...
By:
Foinavon
When: 23 Mar 14 17:00
Thanks Ovalman and good luck with your quest for an allotment.

Squash need about 100 frost-free days and nights which limits how far North they can be grown outdoors without protection.
I sow seed in a heated propagator around the beginning of May and plant out early June in a sunny spot. I usually erect a windbreak made of rigid PVC sheeting on the north and east sides for the first few weeks while they become established, after that they run riot until the first night frosts at the end of October.
Many gardeners on our allotment site have tried butternut squash without much success. Probably too cold early on for it but should be alright further south.

Apples, plums, damsons and cherries grow well here. Peaches are not successful and need a south facing wall to flourish.
By:
bigH
When: 23 Mar 14 17:24
ovalman - 4 trees for £25 . apple, cherry, pear, plum

can't go wrong at that price

http://www.leadthegoodlife.com/trees/fruit-trees/the-mini-orchard-collection.html
By:
Ovalman.
When: 23 Mar 14 18:41
That's exactly the offer I've been looking at, I can find them for £19.99 but I live in NI and the postage costs a bit more. I can still get all 4 trees for £30 delivered, I'm just looking around to see if I can get it cheaper.

I read that they are sent out November to March so I've missed the offer until Autumn.

Has anyone taken up this offer? I love all 4 fruits BTW but don't apples need another tree nearby to cross pollinate?
By:
blackbarn
When: 23 Mar 14 19:36
Ovalman - you need to check exactly what you are buying. There isn't really any such thing as a dwarf fruit tree. The size is driven by the rootstock that the "tree" is grafted onto. You'll find the following helpful https://apps.rhs.org.uk/advicesearch/profile.aspx?pid=359#section3 - click on rootstock choice.

Don't ever buy anything without knowing precisely what rootstock it is on, and knowing exactly what you are buying. My guess is that at that price and given the limited supply period they will be 1 year "bare root" whips. If they are two year old transplants you have a deal.

When I planted my orchard two years ago, I paid £5 each for 1 year old bare root whips on MM106 rootstocks. Mind, I was buying 50+ trees but mainly heritage varieties for cider/juice.

As with all this stuff, research and advice is nearly all.
By:
Ovalman.
When: 23 Mar 14 19:49
Thanks Blackbarn,

Size is vital but so is taste. No point buying an apple tree of a variety that doesn't taste nice. I don't mind spending to get exactly what I want, after all it could be producing for many years and will pay itself back over time.

Yes I've heard about rootstocks but it's still a bit complicated. Do I need a 2nd tree for cross pollination for apples? I could always prune or espellier to cut the size down.
By:
blackbarn
When: 23 Mar 14 20:27
Ovalman - couldn't agree more re taste. My reference to size was just to ensure that you get what you want at the size you want. Buy a tree on an M25 rootstock and you'll wait 8 years for an apple and end up with a tree 25ft high and 20ft across.

Re pruning and espalier - Re the former best to buy one on a rootstock that supports the site. Re espalier - to buy ready started is expensive and to do it yourself requires time and skill. The RHS website I quoted gives you the ultimate height of the tree for each rootstock. Some are very small.

Re Pollination - Some varieties are self fertile, but even if you want a variety that is not, the selection process for two trees is not difficult. Just choose two that are in the same or adjacent pollination groups.

Sites I would recommend are (just google the following)
RHS Apples
Brogdale apples leaflets
Adams Apples
By:
Ovalman.
When: 23 Mar 14 20:46
Again many thanks Blackbarn. As I have to wait until November for bare root stocks I'll leave it on the back burner until then and then stew your brains over the winter Grin

I didn't visit that allotment today but I'm going to phone in the morning - each site has it's own waiting list and I was 70th on the shortest list. Be interesting where I stand now and where I am for this new site.

I'm going to grow a few things at home in the mean time. My Rhubarb (in a pot) is well in season and growing well, I've done nothing to it over the winter - not even watered it.
By:
Deltâ
When: 23 Mar 14 23:27
watched that back on 4OD

in addition to whats been posted

James Wong [the Guardian expert was the man]

the squash was Crown Prince

the basil was inside is best - [double or triple x ]


good work Tommy Toes...
By:
Tommy Toes
When: 23 Mar 14 23:35
Haha! Cheers Delta - at least I got the gist of it right!
By:
Deltâ
When: 24 Mar 14 09:45
started some tomatoes, in pots, in Unheated Budget Propagator, in unheated Conservatory ..... on about the coldest night for weeks!! - aiming to beat Smar Tarse 6 days to peeking thru'


varieties were - Piccolo - some off www and some nicked out of middle from Tesco finest range, / Tondo, / Dattero -
By:
Foinavon
When: 24 Mar 14 11:38
the squash was Crown Prince

Crown Prince is excellent. Trouble is you only get 5 or 6 seeds to a packet and as it's F1 hybrid saved seeds from your harvest don't grow true to the original. Worth growing though, I grow a few plants every year.
By:
Deltâ
When: 24 Mar 14 15:56
similar to a butternut squash Foinavon?
By:
Foinavon
When: 24 Mar 14 16:40
Yes, similar taste and sweetness, I prefer Crown Prince. The flesh is dry when cooked and can be used as a sweet alternative to potatoes in a range of dishes.
By:
Deltâ
When: 24 Mar 14 21:11
tar  - I'll give it a whirl...
By:
Smar Tarse
When: 24 Mar 14 22:06
I moved house over the past week. CrazyCrazyCrazy

My tomatoes didn't get watered for most of that Sad I watered them this morning, the pots were bone dry Blush  They still look ok ! 

Delta - i used the cheap (small) heated propagator Aldi had on offer the other week. Its not one that is going to last years on end imo.

Sods law i have now acquired the same size heated propagator that i had pinched last year. Along with all sorts of other gardening equipment left behind by the last owner (very elderly couple).
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