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By:
screaming from beneaththewaves
When: 14 Jan 14 15:45
Shocked

Delta's seed merchant will have been cheering McCoy home on that Pipe horse at D&E too imo.

Looks like there are all sorts of approaches to extending the lifespan of peppers. If you live nearer the tropics, I can see why you'd be seeking sunlight, as you would be looking to extend the growing season right into the following summer. Further north, though, the sun keeps so low in winter that I think you'd be doing well to manage that.

My approach, of pruning in autumn and trying to force hibernation, means I avoid direct sunlight until the sun's high enough again to resemble the tropics. So during the winter I keep them in a back bedroom away from the small, single east-facing window, with enough light to survive, but not enough for them to burst into leaf again. (The remaining leaves in those pictures are on branches where I hadn't yet picked the fruit - I have no idea whether there's any sense in that, though.)
By:
bongo
When: 14 Jan 14 21:46
A good choice gentlemen to continue this thread imv, time is a continuum after all. Nature doesn't care about our calendars or split the journey round the sun into 4 equal parts, she just does what she does in one big cycle of death and rebirth.

I think Delta must be a volunteer for the Trussell Trust. That's an impressive seed purchase sir. I hope you have enough land.

Here in County Durham my rhubarb has come through:
.http://www.flickr.com/photos/97178879@N06/11954359256/
By:
dewey
When: 14 Jan 14 21:57
Grew peppers a couple of years ago...wasn't impressed with the outcome though...my nephew grows first class chilli's however.....all depends 'sppose.
By:
Deltâ
When: 14 Jan 14 22:03
bongo

i do compact


... Grin
By:
dewey
When: 14 Jan 14 22:27
I live in the south-west - ground is completely sodden at the moment...can't wait to get out there when it finally dries up a bit. .
By:
Foinavon
When: 15 Jan 14 00:17
Very good Bongo Grin I would too. That rhubarb looks very promising.
By:
rob_dylan
When: 15 Jan 14 00:33
Glad you are all keeping this going.  I am afraid I had to give mine up as I simply didnt have(or didnt make) the hours to keep it up.  I liked the watering , planting and especially harvesting, but the weeding was brain damage.  The plot was too big tbh, approx 5m by 20m, half the size would have been far more manageable.  A bit of a disappointment but I enjoyed it while it lasted and thanks for everyone's advice over the last year.  Maybe I will have another go when I retire(nearly everyone down there was retired). Good luck all in 2014 and I shall continue to look in and comment now and then.
By:
Foinavon
When: 15 Jan 14 00:59
Good luck Rob.
Sensible decision if it's getting on top of you, gardening should be a pleasure not a chore and it quickly becomes that if you struggle to find the time.
Come back to gardening when you have more time. You will know in yourself when it's right to do so.
By:
Tommy Toes
When: 14 Feb 14 17:20
I'm trying to find the non crisp snack thread but can't (why oh why did Betfair have to bugger everything up?) but have come across this - and it needs a lift as it's surely close to planting talk!
By:
Foinavon
When: 14 Feb 14 17:42
What in this weather!

Thanks Tommy I'll be getting my heated propagator out soon Wink
By:
Tommy Toes
When: 14 Feb 14 17:44
Hehe!
By:
Tommy Toes
When: 14 Feb 14 18:22
I read about this in our local newspaper a few days ago and it made me think of this thread and Rob's decision to give his allotment up.

Rob, you've missed a trick of 'diversifying'!:

http://www.stokesentinel.co.uk/Council-threatens-action-Silverdale-residents/story-20594089-detail/story.html
By:
Foinavon
When: 14 Feb 14 18:54
Municipal allotments have lots of rules and regulations such as type of shed, how big and where it can be sited. We are not officially allowed fruit trees never mind livestock. People do bend the rules, most have fruit trees, I have four, but as long as plots are kept cultivated and tidy then no one complains.
Councils are looking to devolve administration to allotment committees as they are looking to reduce costs so what is and isn't acceptable may change and be different from site to site. There may be environmental,health and safety, or animal welfare issues regarding keeping large animals on allotment sites so can understand the concerns especially if someone complained that they were causing nuisance.
By:
Tommy Toes
When: 14 Feb 14 18:59
Foinavon, I don't thing anyone has complained and it appears the animals have been there for at least 30 years and it's always been acceptable.

It just looks like a case of some tuppenny 'appeny council no-mark interfering in something he shouldn't be concerning himself with, to me.
By:
Tommy Toes
When: 14 Feb 14 19:04
*think

Here's a follow up to the story - with another picture.
That horse looks like a 'pig-in-muck' - which the photos in the previous link showed.

I reckon it's nought but busy-bodying.

http://www.stokesentinel.co.uk/John-Woodhouse-comes-allotment-rules-animals/story-20616611-detail/story.html
By:
Foinavon
When: 14 Feb 14 19:09
It could well be Tommy especially in that situation where the animals have been accepted for decades.
What would happen though if someone wanted to keep pigs on another site then if refused permission could point to an exception elsewhere?
Don't think I would like it if someone started keeping animals on the next plot to me and the neighbouring householders would certainly complain if farmyard odours started drifting across. We can't even have bonfires for that very reason.
The only animals allowed are bees and they have to be shielded so that their flight paths gain sufficient height before leaving the designated hive area.
By:
Tommy Toes
When: 14 Feb 14 19:19
Unfortunately, Foinavon, that seems the way of the world these days: "You can't do this. You can't do that" - and everyone just accepting it.

What's happened to a the spirit of freedom and people being individuals instead of grey 'do-as-you're-told' automatons?

I would imagine that 30 years ago in Silverdale in S-o-T someone took a few chickens (or some other animal/s) to the allotment - and no one gave it a second thought and it carried on from there, with no one minding anything about it at all.

Let things exist and co-exist as they always have done - and let's have some diversity and free-thinking in this bloody bland, boring, buggering world, is what I think!
By:
Foinavon
When: 14 Feb 14 19:30
I agree with you that there are too many petty regulations but when people are living in close proximity rules are necessary to avoid friction.
The sheds and trees rules appear petty but over-sized sheds and overgrown trees will shade your neighbours' plots preventing them from enjoying their gardens which is unfair. The large stable in the picture would certainly cut out the sunlight next door preventing the cultivation of vegetables which is the primary purpose. If everyone is in agreement as seems the case on Silverdale then there is no problem and a blind eye has been turned for 30 years.
Something not being reported must have happened to change the situation. I doubt that it's just "jobsworth".
By:
bongo
When: 14 Feb 14 21:26
An example from a few years ago of an allotment feud that led to violence
.
http://www.sunderlandecho.com/news/local/all-news/allotment-feud-turned-violent-1-2733631
By:
Tommy Toes
When: 15 Feb 14 16:19
By heck, Bongo. It looks like these allotments can be the cause of 'mini wars'!
By:
Ovalman.
When: 15 Feb 14 16:53
I picked up a mini greenhouse last October in Tesco's for £4, I've also 4 hanging baskets. That will be my limit for growing this year.

Thinking 2 tumbling Toms in the hanging baskets but any suggestions for the other 2?

Chillies and peppers in the mini greenhouse (no tomatoes, I'm the only one who eats them.) Any suggestions what else I could put in?
By:
Burton-Brewers
When: 15 Feb 14 16:55
3 strawberry plants in each
By:
Ovalman.
When: 15 Feb 14 17:06
I should have mentioned, these are upside down hanging baskets Blush

Thought about strawberries but don't think they would work well. I grew peppers in them last time which sort of worked but the peppers were small. I think this is more a climate issue than them being upside down. Tried a courgette plant in one but that didn't work too well.

Open for more suggestions but thanks anyway BB.
By:
Foinavon
When: 15 Feb 14 21:23
Seems odd to me wanting to grow plants upside down.
Perhaps you might like to try basil to go with the tomatoes or parsley perhaps.
Basil needs a warm sunny spot and will be killed by night frosts so don't plant out too early.
By:
Ovalman.
When: 15 Feb 14 21:32
I'm restricted in space and they were a £1 a piece in B&M, I'll take a photo tomorrow and show but I'm limited and want to max out what space I have.
By:
Foinavon
When: 15 Feb 14 21:41
It will be interesting to see them. How much compost will they hold?
Mint is a herb which will grow anywhere and will spread like wildfire if not contained. If you like mint tea or just a sprig with new potatoes then it is worth growing. I love it.
By:
dewey
When: 15 Feb 14 21:45
Soooo.......how near are you to the equator?
By:
Foinavon
When: 15 Feb 14 21:50
52 degrees N

Pourquoi?
By:
dewey
When: 15 Feb 14 21:56
LaughLaughLaugh
By:
Foinavon
When: 17 Feb 14 00:52
This sounds like excellent news.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-26189722

I would grow them but it looks as if their introduction will be set back by the luddites.
By:
screaming from beneaththewaves
When: 17 Feb 14 12:07
Only 600 of the GM potato plants have been grown, but the scientists have had to spend £40,000 to protect them over the three years of the trial.

Sad

Thanks a lot, Prince Charles, Friends Of The Earth, Greenpeace, etc. Any of you ever tried going crops? Or wondered where your next food was coming from?
By:
Foinavon
When: 18 Feb 14 20:35
Thanks for sharing your method sfbtw. Some expert tips for anyone considering growing peppers from seed.

It will soon be time to start leeks which I sow in trays in the cold frame at the end of February. It's good to get them planted out in May to maximize growing time.(Under an enviromesh tunnel as leaf miners are active in May).
The space on top of my fridge is reserved for fermenting bread dough but I have a heated propagator which will soon be in use when I get round to cleaning and disinfecting it with diluted Milton.
By:
Ovalman.
When: 22 Feb 14 15:15
I've grown tomatoes and peppers from seed but it's much better going to the garden centre and buying young plants. It costs about the same as each packet of seeds and you can get different varieties. How many tomato plants do you really need? I always grow too many, 2 -3 different plants are always enough.

I took that pic 5 mins ago, will upload when it gets past mods.
By:
Ovalman.
When: 23 Feb 14 16:16
Had to upload the photo again Confused

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These are £1 in B&M Happy

Some Khol Rabi from last year, they didn't grow much bigger than this and not a success in a window box.

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By:
Deltâ
When: 03 Mar 14 08:04
Thought I'd better make a start.....



Carrots = in

Spring Onions = in

^ under fleece [both]


next up - dig over a bit of ground [boo hoo] for Garlic and Broad Beans....



we're off and running...
By:
Deltâ
When: 07 Mar 14 14:53
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By:
screaming from beneaththewaves
When: 07 Mar 14 15:42
Sowed a row each of spring onions, wedge-shaped carrots and scarlet globe radishes under fleece on Wednesday.

Also sowed a row of swedes by mistake (glanced at the pale-coloured vegetable on the front of the packet, saw the dark-coloured seeds and thought they were spring onions).Sad

Might as well leave them in the soil under the fleece and see whether anything happens. With soil temps high after the lack of cold this winter I might at least get some greens.
By:
Deltâ
When: 07 Mar 14 15:57
carrots - chantenay ?
By:
screaming from beneaththewaves
When: 07 Mar 14 16:14
Chantenay red-core 2 according to the packet.

Have never tried carrots before, but want to try a few new things, as it's only a small patch and I don't want to keep growing the same crops on the same soil.
By:
Foinavon
When: 07 Mar 14 16:42
You guys don't let the grass grow under your feet. Went to the allotment last week and decided it was too wet and cold to do any gardening, so helped a neighbour mix concrete to fix some edging blocks to his plot. The soil here is heavy clay and takes a while to warm up.
Will be starting leeks, beetroot and tomatoes in trays this weekend, the tomatoes in a heated propagator. My favourite beet is Wodan which can stand a long time without bolting or becoming wooden and is very sweet.

Are those the upside down planters Ovalman? Never seen anything like those before.
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