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By:
Smar Tarse
When: 13 Sep 13 18:18
I pruned my Plum tree last week, took about 3 hours this year even though i do it every year, lots of growth the past 12 month. All my Plums are now ripe and dropping at quite a rate.

No guzgogs for me this year, not a single fruit on the bush Cry
By:
Burton-Brewers
When: 13 Sep 13 18:30
it's a pruning weekend
By:
Foinavon
When: 13 Sep 13 19:53
No plums for me this year ST. Don't know if it was the frost or lack of bees during the cold spell. Not many apples either but plenty of soft fruit to preserve for the winter so not complaining.
By:
Smar Tarse
When: 14 Sep 13 11:21
Foinavon - My plum tree is usually laden that heavy that i have to cut 4 x 2 and prop up various branches Crazy  No need this year, i have had 3 carry bags full so far and probably a bag full fall and spoil on the ground.

I have got two apple trees, they look like having the best year ever in terms of size and quality of the fruit, and we have been here nearly 30 years.


People should beware if they knock at my door at this time of year, because they will be leaving with a bag of fruit whether they want it or not LOL  Laugh
By:
Smar Tarse
When: 14 Sep 13 12:29
Another bag full i picked a minute ago, they taste fantastic Love 

http://i.imgur.com/MdRn2Yx.jpg?1


Most of them will get poached in their own juices with a little added sugar as a preservative and then frozen.
By:
Foinavon
When: 14 Sep 13 12:31
Sounds good ST, blackberry and apple pie is nice at this time of the year.
By:
Smar Tarse
When: 14 Sep 13 13:01
Yes, luckily i have got blackberries coming over my wall from next door. I already have several tubs frozen from this years crop Grin
By:
Burton-Brewers
When: 14 Sep 13 17:58
it's also been a record year for grapes
By:
Smar Tarse
When: 14 Sep 13 19:47
What did i do wrong with the guzgogs ?

I cut the lot down to just a couple of buds last winter just like the year previous.
It is only 3 years since i planted it, do they miss every other year or something ?
By:
Foinavon
When: 14 Sep 13 21:03
Don't remember a year when my gooseberries haven't fruited ST. Some years are better than others and sometimes mildew is a problem when they become overcrowded. Birds will eat them even before they are fully ripe so they need to be netted in good time. I never cut them back as hard as you appear to have done, just keep the centre open as you would with blackcurrants and trim out old or dead wood. You can even train them in espalier form if you have the patience.
By:
Smar Tarse
When: 14 Sep 13 21:49
It is back to the same size it was before i cut it last year. I followed growing tips from the BBC website IIRC.

Ok, this time i will just do the centre like you say Foinavon (keep it bowl shape) and trim the rest to a manageable size ?
By:
dewey
When: 14 Sep 13 22:37
Garlic....plant your garlic now......(Monty Don - he knows his onions!).
By:
Foinavon
When: 14 Sep 13 22:54
Gooseberries
That's what I do ST. It works for me.

Garlic
I always plant garlic at this time dewey as there are several advantages over planting in the spring.
1) It's more pleasant to work in the relative warmth of autumn than a cold wet spring.
2) the plants get established before winter and make stronger growth and bigger bulbs next year.
3) Pests such as leaf miners do less damage to strong plants
4) The crop is harvested a month earlier in June freeing up the ground for planting a follow on crop.

You can also buy frost resistant onion sets for planting now and these produce fat green onions in May and mature bulbs towards the end of June. Well worth planting a pack or two.
By:
dewey
When: 14 Sep 13 22:57
Foinavon - gardener......respect.
By:
Foinavon
When: 14 Sep 13 23:09
Thanks dewey, used to help my dad in the '50s and still enjoy the pleasure of seeing plants grow from a  handful of seeds. If it helps others to do the same then I'm happy.
By:
Petrus Romanus
When: 14 Sep 13 23:46
It'll be another month before I plant my garlic I reckon.
By:
Deltâ
When: 15 Sep 13 10:47
I'm a October [last week of] planter too


and 2nd batch in February -


seems to do ok here....
By:
screaming from beneaththewaves
When: 15 Sep 13 14:55
Been out with me telescopic plucker picking the best of the apples this morning before the gales hit. All-time best crop here in Zummerset imo. Will spread them out to dry, then wrap each one in bit of newspaper and save them in a box under the stairs. The under-stairs space has an open entrance to avoid condensation.
By:
Ovalman.
When: 15 Sep 13 15:01
Anyone espalier apple or fruit trees?

I'm very restricted for space but I could fit one apple tree by this method but don't you need 2 within a certain distance of each other to pollinate? Now you lot are talking about fruit bushes I'm tempted to grow some in pots.
By:
Ovalman.
When: 15 Sep 13 15:02
I also picked up a tomato house in tesco's last week for £4 Happy My missus will go mad if she knew what I'm planning for my back driveway Laugh
By:
Foinavon
When: 15 Sep 13 15:22
Ovalman,
Many varieties are self pollinating and there are usually other apple trees in the vicinity even in an urban jungle. You can buy trees grafted and trained for small spaces and some have different varieties grafted on the same stock. These are fairly expensive as you are paying for a lot of work put into the plant by the nurseryman. To grow an espalier is not difficult, just takes several years to achieve the finished tree. Buy a sapling and stake it well. Put in a solid crosspiece where the first branches emerge and gently bend down two opposing ones and tie them loosely to the crosspiece. Allow the main stem to grow on for next season and remove any other shoots. Next year do the same higher up. Prune back any shoots on the lower branches as these will form fruiting spurs. Keep it well watered while it establishes especially if against a wall and that's about it.
By:
Ovalman.
When: 15 Sep 13 15:54
Thanks Foinavon, it would have to be in a large pot so it's moveable. Espalier trees seem to be branched sideways but I'd need less space than that so I'd like to tie the branches downwards like a willow tree (would that work?)
By:
Foinavon
When: 15 Sep 13 16:06
I think it would although I've never tried it. There are some fruit trees that are a single stem grafted on to a dwarfing rootstock. If you look in the catalogues of online suppliers like Dobies or Thompson and Morgan I think you will find some.
By:
Foinavon
When: 15 Sep 13 16:19
The word I was trying to find but couldn't is Cordon
Some information about growing them in this link
http://www.ashwoodnurseries.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=233
By:
bigH
When: 15 Sep 13 20:07
I need some advice

I recently acquired a small piece of land adjacent to my house  - the land has been lying fallow for about 7 years.

The land is knee deep in weeds/thistles and I want to turn it into a garden with seperate areas for flower borders, a small orchard and growing veg etc.

The soil is a very heavy clay and is full of stones.

I'm planning on hiring a heavy duty rotovator but need some advice on whether I need to try and get rid of the weeds before I rotovate or not

I want to get the soil turned by the end of October so that I can get some compost on to it before winter sets in. I can then work on it over winter, laying out the paths and borders.

Any advice would be appreciated
By:
Foinavon
When: 15 Sep 13 21:20
You need to get rid of perennial weeds such as couch grass, bindweed, mare's tail before rotovating otherwise you will chop up the roots which will re-grow compounding the problem. There are three ways of doing this.
1) Mulch with heavy duty black plastic. This will take up to 12 months to be completely effective.
2) Dig out the roots manually. Only you will know if you can do this in your time frame
3) Spray with weedkiller.

If you opt for (3) then best to do it effectively the first time so that it won't be needed year after year. The current favourite for places where food is to be grown is glyphosate and if you buy the concentrate you can control the strength of the spray solution. Do it on a dry day when rain is not expected preferably for 24 hours. At this time of the year it will be at least a couple of weeks before you know if it has been effective.
By:
bigH
When: 15 Sep 13 23:26
Foinavon - thanks for that

it's 0.3 acres so think I will go with the weedkiller option
By:
Deltâ
When: 16 Sep 13 08:00
post in, wire fence round, 12 chickens left to do their thing.


wont be ready by October - 6 months prob' but weeds gone and fertilised in one - organically!
By:
screaming from beneaththewaves
When: 16 Sep 13 08:50
Even better, a stronger fence and a couple of sows. If there's bracken, you'd need this, as chickens don't scrape deep enough, and any bit of bracken root chopped off and left in the ground soon reforms another deep, twisting network. Also pigs are friendlier and more entertaining.

If this were me, I would weed that area by hand and make sure every root was fully removed that way. I had a similar area of hillside 20 years ago, with bracken, nettles and thistles above head high. In the end I was rewarded with a carpet of pink willowherb and bluebells which had been dormant for decades.
By:
Foinavon
When: 16 Sep 13 09:57
A couple of good alternatives there, no shortage of ideas on Betfair!
By:
Deltâ
When: 16 Sep 13 17:42
I am concerned I am posting on this thread and NOT the threesome thread above/below Cry
By:
Foinavon
When: 16 Sep 13 18:54
I had the wife and her best friend down on the allotment only the other day.
By:
Ovalman.
When: 16 Sep 13 19:06
BigH, I would go for the black bag treatment and then work on a small part at a time digging the roots out. You can then configure the site the way you want. To control the weeds further you could put in some raised beds.

Good thing about heavy clay spoil is it's pretty fertile. Brassica's love it but if it's really heavy you can break it down with sand.
By:
Foinavon
When: 20 Sep 13 23:25
After an abysmal week the warm weather is back for a few days.
Hope you will all be making the most of it.
I managed to finish garlic planting this afternoon, 100 cloves in a 10x10 block. Also harvested half the winter squash as a precaution against vandalism which becomes more likely with the onset of warm dark evenings. The rest will be left to ripen until the arrival of the first night frosts.
Loads of juicy raspberries collected too, will be making raspberry and apple crumble tomorrow.
Plenty of jobs still to do including some digging and muck spreading. Will try planting field beans as a green manure in one of the beds. Has anyone any experience of growing these?

What do you have planned for this weekend?
By:
bongo
When: 04 Nov 13 15:11
I hope all the soil diggers on here are in rude health, and have something left to look forward to, even if it's just a few sprouts or broccoli.

For me, the parsnips are the last ones left:
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http://www.flickr.com/photos/97178879@N06/10671595993/
They'll be pulled up after the next frost which is likely to be pretty soon.

It's been a blast of a year, cheers for all the advices.
By:
screaming from beneaththewaves
When: 04 Nov 13 16:39
Just dug up my first few spuds this afternoon ready for dinner tonight. Been getting through piles of potatoes I'd gleaned after the farmer had harvested his crops. Glad to say mine seem unaffected by all the rain. I think it probably helps that the seeds were ones the same farmer had left scattered on the footpath next to his fields, so they're resistant to the effects of rain. (I know this, because he'd used the same variety to sow a field next to the river in 2012. That flooded twice, yet the spuds which surfaced after ploughing back in March were still perfectly fine.)

Working my way through hundreds of apples from the tree, in all sorts of recipes - partridge breasts fried with apples potatoes and red onion the best so far. Was still getting a few leaves of rocket up to a fortnight ago, and there's still some toms and peppers ripening in the greenhouse, thanks to the lack of frosts. Apart from the spuds only a couple of rows of very late swedes still in the soil and hopefully growing. Got a bagful of corn cobs in the garage, also gleaned after harvest time, plus three bags of blackberries in the freezer compartment.
By:
Foinavon
When: 04 Nov 13 18:52
Looks like you have enough parsnips for quite a few meals Bongo. Not long to wait for the night frosts.
Dug up a couple of mine today as more rain is forecast. Also dug some leeks and beetroot. Had a big delivery of leaves from a gardening contractor so gave him a few of the veg. Will spread out most of the leaves on the beds and cover with black plastic. The worms will digest most of them by next spring.
Partridge breasts fried with apples, potatoes and red onion sounds scrummy sfbtw. Wouldn't mind some of that.
By:
screaming from beneaththewaves
When: 04 Nov 13 19:48
This is the time of year for game. I get mine from Taunton Farmers Market on Thursdays. £3 for 6 partridge breasts or £4 for 4 pheasant breasts.

One or two of the partridge breasts are sometimes small enough that you wonder whether a sparrow got in the way of the guns, but that's the way it is with game. They are excellent. The only problem with these wild birds is that they have little fat on them, not being corn-fed, so frying them in butter is a good option. Black pepper and rosemary work well for seasoning.

The pheasant breasts are rather bigger. I like roasting them in the oven, seasoned with black pepper and rosemary again, then topped with a bit of butter and wrapped in smokey bacon to provide the juicyness. They're much thinner than chicken breasts, so only need 15 mins in a fan oven at 180C. I do them in a dish with bits of windfall apple around them.
By:
Foinavon
When: 04 Nov 13 22:09
Thanks for the cooking tips. I now need to find the game at a reasonable price and will have to check out the local markets. Seem to recall that Lidl and Aldi sell frozen game around Christmas but probably too early yet.
By:
Smar Tarse
When: 10 Nov 13 16:20
Looks like i have picked the last of my Tomatoes today. Sad  A bowl full of cherry toms and half a dozen Moneymaker.
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