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By:
Foinavon
When: 15 Apr 14 13:39
Nice one Smar tarse

You are going to leave it down aren't you?
Assume it's the type of barrier that lets water through.
By:
Smar Tarse
When: 15 Apr 14 17:50
It is the cloth like stuff, so yes it should drain ok.  I just don't know if it is best to lay turf onto this stuff ?  I have got to get some soil in from somewhere as i have been wheelbarrowing gravel for three days it was that deep Sad

So on top of this barrier there will be a couple of inch of soil before the turf goes on.
By:
Foinavon
When: 15 Apr 14 18:15
Don't worry, it will be OK. Grass roots are very shallow and a few inches of fine soil over the gravel will do. Make sure it's firmly tamped down and level before rolling out the turf. Finally lay a plank over the turf and tread down to make good contact before watering.
By:
Foinavon
When: 15 Apr 14 18:24
Might be worth spreading some sand over the gravel first to fill the voids before spreading the soil otherwise it could all sink in when we get some heavy rain.
By:
Smar Tarse
When: 15 Apr 14 19:52
This house has a maintenance free back garden Foinavon, tons and tons of pea gravel Sad Cry 

It is that i have been clearing over the past 3 days so i can have a nice 30 ft square of lawn next to the house with a circle of paving and a sundial or bird table in the centre of it. With a nice border all around the lawn.

I have already divided the garden with picket fencing. The other half of the garden is for the sheds, greenhouse and veg garden of course Love


So i guess it will be okay to leave the barrier down then, just raise the level with a bit of top soil and lay the turf as per the normal way. Tread the soil firm and level and lay the turf.
By:
Foinavon
When: 15 Apr 14 23:56
Yes,leave it, unless you really really want to shovel tons of gravel to dig it out. As it's the permeable fabric type it will do no harm at all to your lawn.
By:
Foinavon
When: 16 Apr 14 16:46
Well, I tried to watch the allotment programme on Tv and fell asleep after 15 minutes. Fortunately I had recorded it so tried again from the point where I'd nodded off and the same thing happened. Boring.
By:
Deltâ
When: 16 Apr 14 22:07
agreed Foinavon - week 1 of it added nothing to the table tbh


only bit was i recognized a few of the radishes - whey!
By:
Tommy Toes
When: 17 Apr 14 20:01
There's a programme about photosynthesis on BBC4 now.
By:
Tommy Toes
When: 17 Apr 14 20:04
Photosynthesis

"The air we breathe, and all the food we eat, is created from water, sunlight, carbon dioxide and a few minerals. That's it, nothing else. It sounds simple, but this process is one of the most fascinating and complicated in all of science. Without it there could be no life on earth. It's that important.

For centuries people believed that plants grew by eating soil. In the 17th century, pioneer botanists began to make the connection between the growth of a plant and the energy from the sun. They discovered how plants use water, sunlight and carbon dioxide to produce sugars - how, in fact, a plant grows.

The process of photosynthesis is still at the heart of scientific research today. Universities across the world are working hard to replicate in the lab what plants do with ruthless efficiency. Their goal is to produce a clean, limitless fuel and if they get it right it will change all our lives."
By:
Foinavon
When: 18 Apr 14 00:03
Yes, watched that Tommy and the programme about Soil which followed it. Both better structured and infinitely more interesting than the allotment challenge. I think the photosynthesis programme was a repeat or I've seen something similar in the recent past, but that made it no less absorbing.
By:
Foinavon
When: 20 Apr 14 13:32
Did some sowing yesterday, carrots in raised beds made from builders bags, broad beans (dreadnought - these were fabulous last year), and radishes in the borders.
Glad I did as the weather today is awful.
By:
Ovalman.
When: 20 Apr 14 17:41
I'm growing in boxes but trying the square foot gardening method. Put some peas and mange tout in and will go to the garden centre tomorrow to buy Tomato, Pepper, Chilli and Courgette for my £4 Tomato House I bought in Tesco last year Happy Plan for mostly legumes in these pots but I've 14, each a square foot and will sow in succession.
By:
screaming from beneaththewaves
When: 20 Apr 14 18:24
First flowers blooming on the greenhouse tomatoes this morning. Not long till summer.Happy

Saw just a few minutes of that BBC programme on photosynthesis. The presenter was describing commercial greenhouses, where carbon dioxide levels are tripled to improve the sweetness and yield of tomatoes and peppers.

He had an excellent opportunity to describe how photosynthesis evolved at a time when the planet's atmosphere contained vast quantities of CQ2 and no oxygen; how plants have stripped out virtually all of that CO2, converted it to oxygen and thus allowed animal life to appear. Would the BBC allow him to tell us directly that vegetation, and thus all life, has been at its most abundant when CO2 levels were far higher? That current levels of CO2 are dangerously low?

"In the past," he droned, "carbon dioxide levels in the atmosphere were very..."

Go on! Say it!

"... Very different from how they are today."

Censored? Bottled it? I don't know, but I switched off.
By:
Jack Hacksaw
When: 20 Apr 14 18:29
Why don't tomatoes in the supermarkets taste like they did when I was a nipper?  And why don't they smell like they did?

If I tried to grow some, is it likely they will be like I remember?!
By:
screaming from beneaththewaves
When: 20 Apr 14 18:42
They will smell like they used to, and they will have a more subtle, tomato-ey taste, but to be honest I find shop ones are sometimes sweeter than the ones I grow, because commercial growers usually raise the levels of carbon dioxide back to those which were prevailing when the plant evolved.
By:
Ovalman.
When: 20 Apr 14 18:58
I thought they were cultivated now for yield, size and a long expiry at the expense of flavour.

Doing a Google provides a lot of answers including one about not storing in the fridge I didn't know about.
By:
Foinavon
When: 20 Apr 14 20:47
An interesting point about the early days of photosynthesis is that the seas were rich in iron. The oxygen reacted with the iron to form haematite which precipitated out to form the vast deposits of iron ore we exploit today. This regulatory process ensured that oxygen levels didn't become too high and kill of the cyano-bacteria which were the first to use photosynthesis as far as we know. Eventually cells evolved which consume the oxygen, releasing energy, creating the present self-regulatory system.

I read about the square foot system some years ago Ovalman. Sounds good for people like you with limited space. Let us know how you get on.
By:
Foinavon
When: 27 Apr 14 16:27
Here we are coming up to the end of April already.
Time to think about sowing pumpkin and squash seeds for transplanting outside in June. I'm sowing Marina di Chioggia and Crown Prince in my heated propagator today. As soon as they germinate they will go into the cold frame to make way for a second batch and for a few cucumber seeds. Not keen on courgettes but if you like them they can be started now too.
By:
Ovalman.
When: 27 Apr 14 16:47
Finally got my Rhubarb wine on the go, added 6 over ripe Oranges and a couple of apples, it has to ferment for a week before I transfer it to a demijohn.

Went to look at another private allotment but it's just a bit too far away (6.5 Miles) so think I'll give it a miss.

Planted Broadbean, peas, Mange Tout and Courgettes.

Bought MoneyMaker Tomato, Apache Chilli and a Pepper plant (no variety given)
By:
Foinavon
When: 27 Apr 14 17:05
Sounds good Ovalman.
Agree 6+ miles is a bit too far, ideally walking distance is best as you don't have all the hassle with the gates getting the car in and out. Mine is 1.6 miles which is the limit of what is convenient.
You are probably right regarding buying tomato plants. I have 50 or 60 seedlings cluttering up the cold frame and I only need a dozen at most. The rest will be given away.
What's the weather like in Northern Ireland? Just had a hail storm here.
By:
Ovalman.
When: 27 Apr 14 17:14
In the city it's not too bad, I think we are 2 weeks behind the South of England for last frosts (which have finished hopefully). With the degree or 2 warmer in the city I can plant a bit earlier. We never seem to get the extremes thankfully. 

Forgot to mention I ordered a dwarf Cherry Tree: http://www.jparkers.co.uk/plant-0003368-cc-1/cherry-kordia-patio/

I'm going to order dwarf Apple and Pear trees but not until November. If you order online always check if there are % off codes or Quidco/ TopCashBack. I got a further 10% off thanks to a quick Google.
By:
Ovalman.
When: 27 Apr 14 17:17
Just curious, where is everyone else based on this thread?
By:
Foinavon
When: 27 Apr 14 17:25
I'm based in Birmingham which is also a couple of weeks behind the South. We remain vulnerable to night frosts right up until the end of May as we are further from the sea than you.
Kordia looks an interesting variety, hadn't heard of it before. Might get a couple as they will be easy to net when the fruit ripen and they are not expensive.
By:
Foinavon
When: 27 Apr 14 17:41
Of the ones I remember,

Smar Tarse lives in Notts

Bongo, Sedgefield,

Tommy Toes, Stoke (don't think he's a gardener though)

Screaming and Rob Dylan live down south somewhere.
By:
rob_dylan
When: 27 Apr 14 17:50
I am near brighton.  Think screaming is somerset or devon way.
By:
Foinavon
When: 27 Apr 14 17:54
Yes, I remember now, he was dreaming of buying a house on the Somerset levels.
By:
screaming from beneaththewaves
When: 27 Apr 14 23:45
A couple of miles west of Taunton.

The only reason I mentioned the Levels is because property should theoretically be dirt-cheap there, and I would be happy to live with and adapt to flooding if it meant being able to afford a house with land. But the combination of Government-subsidized insurance schemes and residents' expectations that flooding can somehow be made to disappear if enough money is spent means that property on the Levels is still priced as ludicrously as anywhere else.

Picked my first radishes yesterday. Don't think I've ever harvested any in April before. Only planted one row, as I wasn't particularly hopeful sowing so early. Just took a chance on the anomalously warm soil temps after the mild winter. Enjoyed a fresh and pleasant salad of radishes, dandelion leaves and turnip thinnings, mixed with some Caesar salad dressing to counteract the bitter taste of the dandelions.

The other early plantings haven't gone too well. A few carrots have just about broken soil, but no spring onions at all. The row of swedes I sowed in error aren't doing too badly, though, and the turnips I sowed a little later are flourishing nicely. I'm coming round to the view that hours of daylight is more critical than temperatures and, apart from radishes, which seem indestructible, it's simply not worth trying to sow crops early.

Will wait until after next weekend to sow some more, as there's been a consistent signal for a short plunge of cold air then in the weather models.

Have transplanted my pepper seedlings into 8"-pots in the greenhouse, and they're doing fine along with the tomatoes (first blooms appeared on Wednesday).

Last month I laid a stretch of weedy old hazel that was growing behind the greenhouse and blocking sunlight. Now the trunks have been cut to lie horizontally there's a riot of new vertical shoots and greenery erupting into life. Looking forward to some cobnuts in the autumn, if I can pre-empt the squirrels.
By:
Deltâ
When: 29 Apr 14 08:10
ground frost alert for the w/e lads... Cry
By:
Foinavon
When: 29 Apr 14 12:26
Thanks Delta. Going to check today to make sure none of my potatoes are poking through yet.
As my tomato seedlings are in the cold frame I shall give them a hot water bottle at night when the cold snap comes. (Plastic jerrycan filled with warm water will keep the chill off).
Incidentally, always water seedlings in containers with lukewarm water (no more than skin temperature) not cold straight from the tap.
By:
Foinavon
When: 29 Apr 14 16:51
All the potatoes had come through and were in leaf so good job I went.
Earthed them all up so protected now.
The spring cabbages planted last Autumn are ready, spring greens for dinner.
Noticed that weed seeds are germinating so the soil is warm enough to do outdoors sowing. The old way of having a buxom maiden sit bare bottomed on the soil is no longer feasible in this politically correct age so have to have another way of checking that the soil is warm enough.

1000 posts already! who would have thought it.
By:
Ovalman.
When: 03 May 14 13:34
My Cherry Tree arrived this morning, no blossom but in great condition. I wasn't expecting any fruit this year but hopefully it will get established and have some next year.

I'm able to fit 2 grow bags into my tomato house and maybe some small pots so that's double the growth I was expecting. Gonna have my Tomato and Pepper in one and will now grow Cucumber and maybe try a squash. I could also squeeze a chilli plant in between the 2. Upside down planters are starting to fall apart but I'll buy new ones and fill them with something. Rhubarb is starting to show growth again (what a great hardy plant!) and my peas and beans are starting to poke through. I said to my wife I wasn't going to go crazy but I lied Blush

I have plans for a few other things over the coming month.

Their giving away bags of free compost and manure in my local refuse centre on Monday, I'll try and nab a few bags.
By:
Foinavon
When: 03 May 14 20:15
Always a good idea to give rhubarb a liquid feed after it's given you a good crop. At the moment mine is growing well and I'm pulling just a few sticks every week. Thinking of making jam tomorrow so will need an armful to make it worthwhile.
The first batch of winter squash has germinated so turfed them out of the propagator to make room for a dozen more. These should be sprouting in about five days at which point I will need the space for climbing beans.
Planning to sow hardy annuals in the border over the next few days. Escholtzia, cornflower, Virginian stock and love in a mist. Should give a good display well into September.
By:
Ovalman.
When: 25 May 14 15:43
Had a bit of trouble finding this thread but how is everyone getting on?

My Tomato plant is bearing it's first fruit and chilli is flowering well. Rhubarb is close to gathering again - thanks for the tip Foinavan, I fed it a liquid feed and it's doing really well in such a small container. Maybe a good idea for anyone thinking of growing it. Peas/ beans are sprouting well and I just planted some beetroot and radishes using the square foot method.

My Cherry Tree seems to be struggling? any idea's?

Hanging upside down planters are coming down. Lidl has Strawberry and Tomato hanging baskets on Thursday so I'm going to replace the upside down planters with these.

All in all, except for the tree, everything is growing well in such a small space. I've still some space to fill in my grow bags and I think I'll try some squash/ cucumbers in these.
By:
Foinavon
When: 25 May 14 16:38
Can you describe what is wrong with the cherry tree Ovalman or perhaps post a photo?
Seem to remember it was bare roots so will need plenty of water, (but not waterlogged) to become established. Phosphate fertiliser such as bone-meal helps roots establish after planting and of course plenty of light. If the plant dies a reputable nursery will replace it for you.

All of my tender plants, tomatoes, squash, climbing beans are still in the cold frame but will go out early June. Have suffered an unusual amount of slug/snail damage due to mild wet winter and spring. It's annoying to lose young tender plants but can't be helped.

Outdoor strawberries have set a lot of fruit this year (but are still green) as have the apple and quince trees. Kent strawberries are already in the shops and are exceptionally sweet and fragrant, just hoping mine will be as good.
By:
Ovalman.
When: 27 May 14 17:01
I was about to take a photo and upload it but I thought the water logging might have been a problem so I went to poke more holes in the base of the pot. While it probably was getting too much water and not enough drainage (I didn't put stones at the base of the pot) I did notice strong roots popping through the holes I had already drilled. I poked more holes in the base to give it some more drainage but what I think is happening is the tree is pushing all of it's resources into it's roots at the expense of everything above. I think once it gets established the top half will get growing.

I wasn't expecting anything from it this year anyway, just got a bit worried with what little leaves were wilting and turning brown. I'm much happier seeing strong roots poke through and now with the extra drainage I think it will be fine. I'll report back in a month or so.

Can't say the same for the blueberry bush I have in a pot. There is very little greenery on the plant and I think it will go in the bin. I gave it no care last year and let it dry out several times.

Everything else is looking well in pots and things are starting to produce. I planted some Beetroot and radishes although I won't eat much of the latter.
By:
Foinavon
When: 27 May 14 17:13
Sounds like you need a bigger pot for the cherry tree.

Assume you know that blueberries need acidic soil and should be in  ericaceous compost like you would use for Rhododendrons and azaleas.
Mine get a dressing of leaf mould every year.
By:
Deltâ
When: 27 May 14 17:14
dont blueberry need to be in ericaceous compost only?
By:
Deltâ
When: 27 May 14 17:15
blimey Fionavon - if I didnt have to spell check that could have beat you too it  - Laugh
By:
Foinavon
When: 27 May 14 17:20
Laugh strange looking word Delta, you obviously know your stuff.
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