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By:
rob_dylan
When: 07 Jun 13 07:04
Some corn grown in fields is only for horse feed i think.
By:
screaming from beneaththewaves
When: 07 Jun 13 07:54
It's the same crop whether it's grown for human consumption or cattle feed (or, as is usually the case now thanks to taxpayer subsidies, to burn in car engines in order to save the planet).

As it happens, this farmer stores the grains in silos for cattle feed and sells any surplus. After that, there's no knowing the use to which it's put.

In the autumn I join one or two other locals in gleaning the fields after harvesting to pick up the cobs which miss the combine. It's a real treat, picking up enough fresh cobs for several weeks of lunch or snacks. Nothing gets wasted - even the husks go into the dog's dinner. We do get some very odd looks from the majority of residents, who pay £1.50/cob from Sainsbury's, yet ignore exactly the same thing lying on the ground.

Some people just don't know how lucky they are to live in a time and place where we're so well fed that a tradition as old and essential as gleaning gets dismissed as pikeyist.
By:
rob_dylan
When: 07 Jun 13 18:26
I once, for my sins, nicked some corn cobs from a field a few years back.  Took them home and they were awful.  They looked ripe to me.  Perhaps they werent,or i cooked them wrong,   Or, as I thought, they were a different strand especially made for animal feed.  Either way I got what I deserved, It prob means littleto a farmer but I shouldnt have nicked them.
By:
Deltâ
When: 07 Jun 13 18:53
probably just been sprayed with something.... Shocked
By:
rob_dylan
When: 07 Jun 13 18:55
I boiled them and it was just tough.  Wasnt untasty so much as just tough and inedible.  Would a chemical do that?
By:
bongo
When: 07 Jun 13 19:41
Some crops are just better being fed to a pig, and then after that you eat the pig.
By:
screaming from beneaththewaves
When: 07 Jun 13 19:44
The ones in shops are usually small and hence require less boiling. Are they somehow picked early and artificially ripened? I have no idea. Whatever, if you cook a fresh, mature cob, I've found you need to boil it much longer, but in the end it'll be perfectly tender.
By:
Burton-Brewers
When: 07 Jun 13 19:51
don't throw the left over cobs away. Hang them out to dry and they make great fuel on log burners. An old American trick.
By:
screaming from beneaththewaves
When: 07 Jun 13 19:55
Can just imagine the dog's expression if I were to hang up the husk to dry instead of chucking it to her for a treat.
By:
rob_dylan
When: 07 Jun 13 20:00
Will they compost down BB?  I am currently composting all vege and fruit matter, is there anything that shouldnt be put in?  Egg shells?  Tea bags?  I presume meat /fish is a no no.  Does anyone use those plastic things?  I imagine they are more efficient and manageable, i currently have a few pallets and some old bathroom carpet on top.  I guess it needs turning over at some point, but there are loads of gaps to let air and stuff in, surely it is better off totally enclosed by those plastic things, though they look rather vulgar.
By:
Burton-Brewers
When: 07 Jun 13 21:11
I would have thought so but they would take years like sprout stalks at a guess
By:
cloughandtaylor
When: 07 Jun 13 21:30
I have two of the plastic compost bins, tucked away in the corner.
Veg off cuts,potato peels,banana skins,tea bags,paper, and a little water now and again.
Look tidy and produce great compost if left for a year when full, alternate between the two year by year.
By:
screaming from beneaththewaves
When: 07 Jun 13 22:31
A black compost bin really speeds up the process, because it absorbs heat, which is vital for the process.

Used teabags are fine to compost. I first stick them in old milk bottles filled with rainwater and leave them to stand for a few days. The result is an excellent feed for tomatoes or peppers.

Eggshells are supposed to compost well, but in my experience they never break down. Won't do any harm though.

The problem with corn husks is what makes them burnable: lignin - the substance which gives twigs and leaves their "woodiness" and which takes an age to break down. Again, does no harm, but spoils the consistency of the final result if it hasn't broken down.
By:
screaming from beneaththewaves
When: 07 Jun 13 22:34
Meat or fish composts OK, of course, but the problem is firstly the smell, secondly the attraction to flies and thirdly the attraction to rats, foxes and all sorts, who will target your heap as a consequence.
By:
cloughandtaylor
When: 07 Jun 13 22:48
Teabags and rainwater, noted, thanks.

Tend to use eggshells around lettuce as the slugs don't like scratching their bellyHappy
By:
screaming from beneaththewaves
When: 08 Jun 13 12:22
Excellent idea for the eggshells. Been a relief so far this year with the drier weather producing fewer slugs.

By the way, at risk of stating the bleeding obvious, use the tea sparingly, like any fertilizer. A treat once a fortnight is fine, especially if you mulch your tomatoes and peppers with dried grass clippings, as I do. This way the plants get fertilized to some extent anyway every time I water them. Too much fertilizer and you end up with leaves instead of fruit.
By:
cloughandtaylor
When: 08 Jun 13 12:54
Not obvious to me so thanks again.

Put cling film two feet high around the carrot to deter whitefly, got home and caught the end of a gardening programme suggesting the planting of shallots next to them, they don't like the smell of them apparently.
Will act on that next time.
By:
Burton-Brewers
When: 08 Jun 13 14:07
or garlic. My egg shells are all recycled into the chickens feed
By:
bongo
When: 08 Jun 13 14:55
Excellent thread still - cheers rob, BB and sfbt.

I'm looking forward to seeing the photos for Rob: as a starter ( and this is setting the bar really low ) this is my plot -
http://www.flickr.com/photos/97178879@N06/8985866783/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/97178879@N06/8985825127/

There's a lot of ahem natural competition from dandelions etc.
By:
Deltâ
When: 08 Jun 13 15:29
good stuff bongo - you got yaself a little project there...
By:
bongo
When: 09 Jun 13 07:23
Just been shopping online for seeds and noticed this, which must be the garden ultimate in 'I saw you coming':
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http://www.nickys-nursery.co.uk/garden-shop/seeds/culinary-herbs/dandelion-taraxacum-officinale

People want to grow dandelions to feed to their tortoise and will actually buy the seeds - ffs, go to your nearest public footpath with a screw-driver and lever a couple up with nice tap-roots and stick the roots in the ground. Or grab the seeds from a few fuzz-balls. Surely nobody would part with their money for dandelion seeds.
By:
cloughandtaylor
When: 09 Jun 13 08:13
People buy dandelion seeds??Cry
By:
Deltâ
When: 11 Jun 13 09:46
anyone got any tips for growing Cleriac?
By:
Deltâ
When: 12 Jun 13 21:53
and before you all rush,[not] seems tough year for it in general as none in GC round here


[have a few from my own seed starts -unimpressed and weedy tho]
By:
Deltâ
When: 15 Jun 13 12:31
no allotment today/this w'e then it would seem...


here

too dry  - no rain yet

too windy


and oh Rob_ has stuffed himself for brekkie it would seem
By:
rob_dylan
When: 15 Jun 13 12:38
Really windy here too, has been all week.  It wakes me up at night and I cringe thinking about the damage it is doing to my tomatoes and broad beans.
By:
Jack Hacksaw
When: 16 Jun 13 14:04
I think I might be a fairweather veg gardener.  If the sun's out there is no where else I want to be.

Not sure what I should be doing anyway at the moment..most things are in ...probably planting a few more lettuce/radish seeds?  Any ideas?
By:
Deltâ
When: 21 Jun 13 18:25
right - better weather this w/e [x]


Sprouts and Calabreses going in here



yousssssssss?
By:
screaming from beneaththewaves
When: 21 Jun 13 21:31
Stuck in the leftovers from my packet of radish seeds on Monday, after we'd had a thunderstorm. Used the gaps between the potatoes, as they like shade. Already appearing above ground thanks to the occasional showers we've had.

Some of the spuds in the foreground, kohl rabi to the right, spring onions to the left, radishes in the centre:
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Took this picture of the first crop of radishes a couple of weeks ago:
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The border under the hedge:
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By:
bongo
When: 21 Jun 13 22:25
Those radish leaves of sfbt look bootiful - even better than the rada ishes themselves.
By:
screaming from beneaththewaves
When: 22 Jun 13 00:48
Lovely and peppery, bongo. Even at full growth they're still tender enough to enjoy raw. The stalks have become tough towards the very bottom, but they're ok chopped up and cooked.

Scarlet globe is the variety.
By:
Jack Hacksaw
When: 22 Jun 13 07:09
Never eaten Kohl Rabi and would have liked to have tried, but the seeds were sold out when I looked.

Did some hoeing out of weeds, earthed up some potatoes, planted some more radish seeds.

Had a hunt through to see what seeds could be planted from the 'selection pack' of seeds we bought earlier.

Decided to put some greyhound cabbage and perpetual beet spinach in.

Not much room left in the plot, so have lifted some loose slabs we put between the rows of veg to create a bit more space.  They were a row of slabs but now are stepping stones.

It is a big learning experience.  With limited space, trying to work out best use of ground.  Realising that some crops are in the ground/occupy space for 10 months!

Slugs have eaten quite a lot of leaves, particularly dwarf beans, but completely left the runner beans, strangely.  Have put gravel round the beds to discourage them - not sure how effective it is.  Slug pellets are not allowed.

Picked a handful of spinach leaves and ate them last night - the first harvest!
By:
cloughandtaylor
When: 22 Jun 13 13:33
Loads of egg shells for the slugs Jack,
By:
Jack Hacksaw
When: 22 Jun 13 13:35
Ta.  Hens arrive on Monday!
By:
Blades
When: 22 Jun 13 13:45
Thanks for the eggshell tip.
I have been growing runner beans but the stalks are thin and wiry and there are not many leaves on the plant....any tips?
By:
Foinavon
When: 22 Jun 13 17:00
Blades, this happens to runner beans when exposed to cold nights early June. Mine were knocked back and are just starting to recover. Don't worry, your plants should recover too, just protect them from slugs.
I will upload a pic if I can work out how to do it.
By:
Foinavon
When: 22 Jun 13 17:10
Taste of Kohl Rabi (Jack hacksaw).Take the thick stem from the centre of a cabbage or cauliflower, slice off the hard outer skin and eat the soft central part. This has the same mild sweetish taste and texture as Kohl rabi.
By:
Foinavon
When: 22 Jun 13 17:19
Growing celeriac (Delta).
This really is one for the experts. I tried it a few years ago, the results were useless. It needs an early start, a warm sunny site, rich soil and plenty of water. Needs a liquid feed weekly. If you live in the UK better use the space for something else. I prefer to buy celeriac from Lidl than try to grow it.
By:
Jack Hacksaw
When: 22 Jun 13 18:37
Blades beans sound like my peas.  They are a very light green towards the ground and only a few inches high so far.  They dont look too good.  I put it down to maybe overwatering after planting and damaging/breaking the stalk.

Thanks Foinavon - I will try it (KR).  Will look out at supermarkets, but cant remember seeing any.
By:
Foinavon
When: 22 Jun 13 18:55
Jack, KR is not usually seen in supermarkets but it's quick and easy to grow your own provided you net it against attack by wood pigeons. Slugs like them too. Only worth growing if you like them though. The leaves can be cooked and eaten like spring greens.
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