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A source said last night: "This is potentially very significant.
"Jo was clearly keen at 8.20pm to get in touch. It would be unusual for her not to reply to her friend Matthew's text at 9.20pm. Totally contradicts what we have been told by the family |
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"A chilling letter containing a pizza label was sent to the pub where murder victim Joanna Yeates enjoyed her final drink....."
probably some nutter, bit of a sick thing to do, but it's the big story in the Bristol paper. |
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The pizza to the pub is almost certainly a random nutjob. This is from the wiki page on Milly Dowler:
Paul Hughes was convicted of making threats to kill and was jailed for five years after sending letters to Dowler's mother threatening to kill her and claiming to have killed Dowler. The letters were sent whilst Hughes was in prison for indecently assaulting a twelve-year-old girl; the prison service apologised for not screening mail effectively.[17] Lianne Newman of Tewkesbury, Gloucestershire repeatedly phoned Dowler's parents, school and the police pretending to be the missing schoolgirl. She was jailed in April 2003 for five months after pleading guilty to five counts of making phone calls to cause annoyance, inconvenience or needless anxiety.[18] Gary Farr of Retford, Nottinghamshire repeatedly e-mailed Dowler's parents, school friends and police officers working on the case, claiming that Dowler had been smuggled out of the country to work as a prostitute and stripper at nightclubs in Poland, and that her death had been a cover-up. Farr was sectioned indefinitely under the Mental Health Act on 19 October 2006 for being a serious psychological danger to the public due to his history of paranoid schizophrenia after admitting a charge of harassment.[19] |
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Any possibilty that this was a hired hit?
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so can we say unable to text back at 9.20pm? be interesting if that coincides with last texts sent
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I don't think so Brendan, all text exchanges end at some point. I would imagine a woman asking a bloke out for a drink, receiving a negative reply an hour later, would be very unlikely to continue the exchange.
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thats true. the text was "Where are you? Do you fancy a drink?" bit familiar after 18 months no communication and he lives down the road. Would say they were just mates and had been in touch more often
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18 months without speaking, not without communication, I think, according to the article. Texts emails etc during that time with vague plans to meet up. She didn't know for example, that he'd moved. Lots of people like that in my life, it's the way of the world now I think.
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Read in one paper that police are bringing in older experienced detectives to
work on the case, 'older heads' to look at it cold. Seems killer was very lucky here, left no obvious clues, no eyewitness accounts, and any hope of a breakthrough with CCTV on Suspension Bridge, images too dim at night to identify any driver or car. Probably too smart or lucky not to have a mobile phone switched on so no signal can be traced. If it was someone she knew police must still have a good chance for a vital breakthrough. Otherwise police just don't have any vital clue. |
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Seems facebook was the communication of choice. he was interviewed before christmas by poilce, thye would have had mobile details 1 day after confirmed missing. Not sure why its leaking out now
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Wonder if text was read or not on her phone. dont know if they can tell that. She would have had a few missed calls & texts. I am sticking with met her kiler on way or soon after she got home and unable to text back @ 9.20.
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Think with most phones you could tell. I'd agree anyway, that it's extremely unlikely that a woman of that age would have no contact with anyone, face-to-face or digitally, over a long period, so Friday night is by far and away the most likely time of the crime.
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She might have had contact with people who have reported this to the police. The police may not have divulged it and told the witnesses not to talk about it.
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Why? They've been very public about asking for more info on the friday night she went missing. Seems clear that that's what they're concentrating on.
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stranger 20/1
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How did she know the male friend that she text asking out for a drink?
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Friend of brother, facebook buddies, last met 18 months ago but seems in contact more frequentky via tinternet
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I know police of probs gone down this road but maybe someone she has met off the net?
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Is that a cryptic clue!
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you talking to me aunty post?
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The police have pulled in Mr Winkle for taunting them ...
' have you solved it yet ? ' |
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when is it on Crimewatch ?
The police always reveal a bit more on Crimewatch. |
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SOLVED IT YET ?
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Crimewatch is at the end of the month, something like the 26th CC.
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HAVE YOU? MR W.
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Thing is, when they say 90% or whatever, of murders are committed by perpetratotrs known to victim it doesn't have to be someone directly related, or someone in their closish circle of friends or someone they work with.
For example, the girl at the checkout of the supermarket you often shop at. She might recognise you and say hello as she scans your turkey twizzlers, but if you turned up at her door after dark, uninvited, when she was alone it would be a totally different matter. Some sad loners might read too much into the fact that she talks to them and imagine that the relationship is on a totally different level. The fact that he is one of thousands of people she says hello to in the course of her work might go completely over his head and for some reason he is obsessed and thinks the relationship is special. So when he turns up at her flat and she effectively blanks him he takes offence and can't understand the rejection.... gets embarrassed, slighted and angry, etc., etc. Now, he would be "known to" the checkout girl but she certainly wouldn't regard him as a friend. Obviously, Joanna wasn't a checkout girl but you get the drift. My money still on obsessed loner who turns up just after she got back.... enough time to take off boots and pour cider. Things got quickly out of hand, he kills her, gets lucky not to be seen transporting body to van/car. There is scaffolding up on neighbour's house.... hope they checked who was using it and when. |
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Clouseau 10 Jan 11 16:42
Thing is, when they say 90% or whatever, of murders are committed by perpetratotrs known to victim So is it safe to say there is a better than average chance that this is one of the 10% ? |
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For the reasons posted above, erm.... NO!
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Very good read this thread, but surely Clouseau if it was a loner they wouldn't be so meticulous in the cleaning of the flat or the hiding of the body?
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As far as I am concerned I think the killer is not someone known to the police at this time.
If this is the case this may well become an unsolved murder. |
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Mrs G 'decided' last night that it was the bf because he phoned the police straight away on getting back. She said I wouldn't bother until the next day (I pretended that wasn't true etc.) so it seemed like he'd planned it.
I pointed out that he might have had to call six times on Saturday to say, "I love you" and not got a response from her phone and she agreed that was a bit of a stumbling block. Anyone know any facts of the case that can impinge on Mrs G's theory? |
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not new news, just a clarification (off the local news in brizzle) :
she made the text to the bloke she had'nt seen in a while at 8.20pm . at 9.20pm he txted back with "can't make it - at office party", so that clears that one up. No reply sent. You have to make assumptions at some point, and mine is that "the incident" had already occured by this time |
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we know it's not LL or BF(however much we might want it) : it's Neighbour or it's someone else altogether - as Clouseau pointed out above, it could be someone who knew her only tangentially, followed her home etc etc
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Date Joined: 01 Dec 07 Add contact | Send message When: 10 Jan 11 18:25 Very good read this thread, but surely Clouseau if it was a loner they wouldn't be so meticulous in the cleaning of the flat or the hiding of the body? Didn't need to clean flat as hardly in there before he did the deed and was wearing gloves (it was cold after all) and didn't touch much. As stated in previous posts he may have taken the body and the pizza so he could "share some time" with her and "share a meal".... don't forget he was obsessed and hadn't been expecting that he would have had to kill her. As for hiding the body... erm.... he didn't do that very well. Pure speculation but maybe in his own twisted way he persuaded himself body would be discovered fairly quickly and she might be brought back round. Who knows but it explains why body moved from flat without things like bag, coat and keys etc which anyone with links to flat would surely have taken with them. Person couldn't be certain that nobody else would be popping around at any time so exited scene with body quickly.... probably in shock about what they had actually done. |
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1.35 the butler
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But, she did start texting through her little black book as soon as bf had left and socked up on cider and pizza. Doesn't sound like she was thinking of playing a board of doms..?
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Well, even if she was a tramp - as you imply - it does'nt add any new angles, beyond the need to consider friends/colleagues and those who knew her "tangentially"
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clouseau you sound like you are moving the hoover or putting the bin out rather than humping a dead body about
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David Icke forums reckon lizards did it - obvious really when you think about it - any value around for this?
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stocked up on cider!
two small bottles - just looks like what she'd expect to consume with her dinner over the weekend to me. |