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*****Yeates Murder Case***** (Wed 5th Jan 2010)
*****Yeates Murder Case***** (Wed 5th Jan 2010)
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OK, how about this.
The only reason we think she got Murdered at her flat is the keys, Mobile and Coat/boots. Whst if she did have a drink around someone's flat, he thinks hes on, gets out of hand and she is dead. He thinks that by putting all her stuff at home(they ate the Pizza) that they would be thrown off the trail, now how long would it take to put her stuff if a carrier bag, drop it around there and get out?? There looks as if there is no cctv after the last visit to the supermarket |
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Yes, But...it involves a massive risk : to be seen, by anyone, even once, would not be able to be explained once the murder enquiry gets underway. And in this scenario we know the perp is logical enough to make a risk-assesment, as it is on the basis of reducing his risk that he undertakes to return the items in the first place
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ZILZAL. Great. Except that people don't think that logically in a panic situation.
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desperatemunter, I agree, as a general rule going to the house of the person you've just murdered is not a good idea! It's not logical, it's insane!
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To be seen with a carrier bag though??
Depends where they met, the actual taking of the stuff on a dark night isnt that risky, its who noticed that they might have been together beforehand, hell he could have even put her hood on. Its more risky imo taking her away from the flat if he wasnt connected to it |
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the police are witholding so much information,i`m beginning to wonder if they actually know exactly what happened to the pizza,perhaps in an attempt to confuse a suspect under questioning.
they may also know who the killer is. if police thought this was a random killing or the work of a serial killer,i expect there would be daily press briefings with more details being made available and more warnings to the public about their safety.they would also ask publicly if anybody noticed anything different or unusual about anyone they live or interact with on or after the weekend before xmas. the less we hear from them,the more i think they know their man.we may be close to an arrest. |
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yeah cant have that really. Shoes off coat, bag, bottles of cider all in bag pop round to her flat not knowing who is in there? Would only make sense if it was part of same block of flats and you knew the flat was empty
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Sparky, if he knows the layout, knows the BF is away AND DOESNT PANIC
And by what we know, he hasnt left a shedload of clues, he cant be a wreck and if plod are telling most of what they know, he's set them some poser. Wher is the next cctv after her last shop |
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FISHWICK YOU BASTARD
 I WAS AFTER THAT FACKING BADGE.  |
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btw chaps and chappessess -- SOLVED IT YET ?
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zilzal, the murder itself was surely irrational?
Putting killed in flat, hasty disposal of body against Killed in fit of rage elsewhere, calm trip to flat, random disposal of body I'd go with the former, although I'd also agree there's no obvious answer and everything should be considered. |
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zilzal, the murder itself was surely irrational?
do you know any rational murders ?  |
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Depending on definition, yes. There are many logical reasons to murder (financial gain, revenge, removal of witness, sexual) but none apparent here.
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... and racial hatred
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Even in the case of a premeditated murder or television detective drama you wouldn't cooly consider all the twists and turns that are being read into this. A rare mix of plot and sub-plot with the main suspect changing every day. You've got to remember that this is real-life. The killer didn't start with a body and then think "How can I throw in a few red herrings and confuse the investigation?"
Try to imagine how YOU would react! You would not be thinking "I'll do this to confuse them as to where it was. Then I'll cover up 'when'. Mustn't forget to take the pizza...that's very important." |
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a 'highly significant' piece of new evidence that has been handed to them and which is undergoing a series of forensic tests.
In keeping with the investigation so far, the police have not revealed details of what the item is, but it is understood that it is not the sock that was missing from her body when it was discovered on Christmas day. That leaves the possibility that is could be the missing pizza - or its box - that Yeates bought before her disappearance on December 17. Soil and pollen tests are also expected to be carried out on the item and a police source said: 'This, along with the DNA analysis, is being treated extremely seriously as a credible piece of evidence.' |
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Meanwhile, Jo’s final text message was revealed yesterday.
She invited a male friend out for a drink on the night she was murdered. But he was busy at a Christmas party and did not reply for an hour – by which time she was not answering. Their mobile phone exchange is viewed as a crucial lead because it could help police pinpoint the time Miss Yeates was strangled. Matthew Wood, 28, received her message inviting him for a drink at 8.20pm on Friday, December 17. She had left the Bristol Ram pub just after 8pm after drinking with friends, and was making her way home. Soon afterwards she would have passed the row of pubs and bars known as the Clifton Triangle where Mr Wood was attending his work Christmas party. Mr Wood, who knew Miss Yeates through her older brother Chris, said he did not see the message until 9.20pm when he replied, telling her he was ‘busy’ at the party. He received no response – and Miss Yeates also failed to answer her phone to her boyfriend Greg Reardon, who called her without success over the next two days during a visit to relatives in Sheffield. With no reply to her invitation, landscape architect Miss Yeates, 25, continued on to her flat in Canynge Road, pausing at Tesco to buy a large pizza and an off-licence for two small bottles of cider. She rang her best friend Rebecca Scott to arrange meeting up on Christmas Eve at home in Hampshire, and is thought to have arrived home at about 9pm. Her body was found dumped in a country lane three miles away on Christmas Day. Mr Wood, who works for an environmental science charity and is not considered a suspect, said: ‘The text message she sent me was, “Where are you? Do you fancy a drink?” ‘I replied saying I was at the office Christmas party and I was busy. It was just a text message between friends. It is horrifying to think that she may have been dead when I texted her.’ Chemistry graduate Mr Wood is a friend of Chris Yeates, 28, from the time both attended the £10,000-a-year King Edward VI School in Southampton. He moved to Bristol ten years ago and had met Miss Yeates a few times after she moved to the city two years ago knowing few people there. They had not seen each other for about 18 months but were in regular contact on Facebook. As one of Miss Yeates’s 200 or so friends on the social networking site, Mr Wood could be one of those who is swabbed for a routine DNA sample. He said: ‘We had an email exchange and were planning on meeting again at some stage. She obviously left her Christmas party early and probably wanted another drink with someone on the way home. But I couldn’t go. I wish I had. I’ve been in touch with the family since the news about Jo. It’s very sad and I’m upset about it. ‘The police contacted me after Jo disappeared. I was interviewed before Christmas and on a second occasion gave a full statement.’ Mr Wood’s stepmother Teresa Yeandle yesterday refused to comment on his relationship with Miss Yeates. At her terrace home in Trewellard, near Penzance, Cornwall, she said: ‘I’m not very happy about him being pulled into all this – it’s got nothing to do with him. She wasn’t a close friend of his.' |
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He moved to Bristol ten years ago and had met Miss Yeates a few times after she moved to the city two years ago knowing few people there. They had not seen each other for about 18 months but were in regular contact on Facebook.
That sounds a load of sh1t , text someone for a drink who you haven't seen for ages . The fact the texy says "where are you " sounds to me as they met up quite regular |
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Depends if they had discussed on facebook anything,, he might have put he was out itn the area on that night and she may have texted knowing he was around the same areas and asking where are you,, hard to know unless we know what was talked about on facebook
it does raise a few extra things though,, originally people were sayign she left her party early but got pointed out saying not everyone is a p1ss head like them but within 20mins of leaving pub she was trying to arrange drinks with people also texting a man who you havnt spoken to for 18 months and asking him out for a drink within an hour or so of boyfriend going away for weekend again to me is a strange , i wouldnt think that was "normal" behaviour for people in a relationship although i think sparkmaster has said he thinks that is "Normal" so maybe thats just me |
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how long had she been goign out with her boyfriend,, im assuming if she hadnt seen this text guy for 18months he didnt know him at all ??
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I've read sparkmaster's posts on this, and agree with him that it's pretty standard behaviour for young people.
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Not "seeing" someone for 18 months these days means nothing with people keeping in touch so easily with the internet and texting, so it doesn't really feel as if there has been any gap in a friendship.
Look at all the people on here "chatting" away like old friends regularly, most of whom have never met each other. |
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Squares...we all met up for the Chit-chat Xmas Party...we were wondering where you were...
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hello squares old chum
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Their mobile phone exchange is viewed as a crucial lead because it could help police pinpoint the time Miss Yeates was strangled.
Matthew Wood, 28, received her message inviting him for a drink at 8.20pm on Friday, December 17. She had left the Bristol Ram pub just after 8pm after drinking with friends, and was making her way home. Soon afterwards she would have passed the row of pubs and bars known as the Clifton Triangle where Mr Wood was attending his work Christmas party. is it possible she had a second mobile phone ? which is missing ??? |
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less of the old, mate
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Seems police are convinced she died at home and that she knew her killer.
Obvioulsy still can't rule out a random killing, but why would a random killer take the enormous risk of moving her body. So if killer was known to her surely just a matter of time for breakthrough to happen and they will catch this person. |
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surely just a matter of time for breakthrough to happen and they will catch this person
Unless there is evidence that can convict its goes to rumble along. Not sure why more evidence will come to light long after the event. The crucial time is soon after and she wasnt even reported missing for 2 days. The longer it goes the more likely it will be unsolved imo |
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^ you could be right, and there are 25 long-term unsolved murders linked to
the Bristol area. I just feel if it was someone known to her then eventually they will get that vital clue and help them to make sense of all the evidence. As you say the longer it goes on more likely to be unsolved - especially if it was a random killing, but police seem pretty convinced it wasn't. So someone known to her the net will close in. |
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I wonder how many grotty Tesco 'finest' pizza boxes they've uncovered from the 300 tons of landfill rubbish, so far?
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hundreds probably
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STILL UNSOLVED - THERE'S A SURPRISE
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The c*nt that threw the fire extinguisher off the building during the student protests looks like a younger version of jefferies.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-12159581 |
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I dont like your tone winkle, where were you on the night in question?
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Assuming they find a few hundred pizza boxes, of the correct spec,
what are they going to do with them? They will all, surely, be thoroughly well mashed and trashed and polluted with, god knows what, unsavoury substances! Maybe when they put them under ultra violet light one will have an image of Christ or Mother T' on it. |
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Kardman 10 Jan 11 22:59
Who knows why the body was dumped on the roadside but was it coincidence that she was found just a couple of days after the father pleaded for her body back even if she was dead. ------------------------------- Also the big question of when the body was dumped. Who's to say the killer didn't keep it for a week and then, perhaps in response to the father's plea, dump it early on Christmas Day? Could have kept it hidden, eg. car boot in a garage until then. Lying near the entrance to a quarry and near a road, surely it would have been found much earlier had he put it there on the night Jo disappeared (Friday 17th). |
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Gd point Nirvana.... can't think why it hasn't occurred to me before but has it been confirmed that the quarry was open for business in the week leading up to Christmas?
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Clouseau, I don't know but presume it was. Also it was an area frequented by walkers, joggers and cyclists. And if the body had lain there for a week, had there'd been enough snow to cover it up?
I'm incling towards the theory that it was put there in the early hours of Christmas Day as a mababre 'Christams present'. |
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The body was buried under thick snow that laid for some time I think...e.g. since her disappearance.
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They still haven't said anything about what she was wearing. If she was wearing the same as Friday then she was probably killed Friday. If she was abducted on Friday, then clothing would be the same but would probably show signs of extended wear (use your imagination). If she had got changed...no idea.
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