If the US gov could orchestrate this ,
Then why can't they win in the middle east?

I know why, because they like being broke

What war ??
WW2 never happened
There was no holocoust

and all the proof you could possible need IT'S ON YOUTUBE

http://www.google.com.au/search?q=holocaust+denial+youtube&hl=en&client=firefox-a&hs=PnQ&rls=org.mozilla:en-GB:official&prmd=v&source=univ&tbs=vid:1&tbo=u&ei=UIOLTJ2rG5KmvQO94sQX&sa=X&oi=video_result_group&ct=title&resnum=2&ved=0CCsQqwQwAQ

What ?
my YOUTUBE evidence isn't as good as yours?

All you have to do Barny is do some more research away from youtube and then the penny will drop that these people have credentials.You can find out about their education and there careers. Many of them are putting their reputations on the line. If you have any doubt about these people you can easily find out if they are real.

The Net is a library of information. Like every library we have papers on fiction and papers on truth.

oops

http://www.theonion.com/articles/
construction-complete-on-911-truther-memorial,18034/

But Angel
You introduced Youtube as the authority, Now you are not happy that I introduce something from Youtube that is so obviously sh1t ( and so obviously believed by many people as ardently as you believe your conspiracy theory),
so now I have to be selective, but you don't.

Just sit back for a second, perhaps you have to be selective in what you except from the net !!

where did you check these experts credentials , on Youtube or their own personal websites??

I am an astro physician, with a degree in PYROTECHNICS from Jules Verne academy Just check my website

WWW.barney.astrophysicain.com.org.uk.sh1t

The reason i used Youtube is because it is easier for some people to listen than to read, probably you like to read do you Barney ?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Architects_%26_Engineers_for_9/11_Truth

Im just doing it in stages for you Barny because i know tht you are a bit daft!

12/9 where I am
so i am over it, because it never happened

Hollywood Special effects, a bit like Godzilla.  IMHO

Europeans protest New World Order slavery, want freedom

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KSNfgDxJo44

Commuters who ride PATCO trains between southern New Jersey and Philadelphia should expect random searches of their clothing, pockets, bags and vehicles on their morning trip to work.
Twelve Transportation Security Administration screeners, armed with an explosive-sniffing K-9, checked 663 commuter bags randomly selected from the morning rush at the Lindenwold station Tuesday…..
“We can conduct any kind of search we want,” said McClintock. “We could ask TSA to bring wands or X-ray machines like they have in airports, though we don’t think that’s appropriate for PATCO riders at this time.

In 2006 Richard Haass, the current president of the Council on Foreign Relations, stated in his article "State sovereignty must be altered in globalized era," that a system of world government must be created and sovereignty eliminated in order to fight global warming. "Moreover, states must be prepared to cede some sovereignty to world bodies if the international system is to function," says Haass. "Globalization thus implies that sovereignty is not only becoming weaker in reality, but that it needs to become weaker. States would be wise to weaken sovereignty in order to protect themselves..." Economic instability and terrorism are also cited by Haass as reasons for weakened national sovereignty.

Al Gore, who has been positioned as a main figurehead in the global warming movement, recently commented that the Waxman-Markey climate bill - which is set to dramatically increase consumer costs and taxes - is a positive step towards "global governance."

Simon Linnett, Executive Vice-Chairman of Rothschild Bank, has also called for the creation of a "new international body" that would regulate and tax CO2. Linnett writes for the Telegraph, mirroring Richard Haass's comments,

"A key implication of creating a legal yet global system of trading, is the loss of sovereignty it implies. Governments must be prepared to allow some subordination of national interests to this world initiative, on the issue of emissions. This need not mean a new system of government, above individual nations.

The European nations already do this, on certain issues, yielding sovereignty to the EU. And in time, the EU itself will eventually have to yield to a larger body - one which includes the economic powerhouses of India and China."

Linnet proposes that carbon trading could become the "...reserve currency of the world...", and concludes by saying that "...emissions trading could establish a new world order for a sustainable planet..."

That a Rothschild Bank Vice-Chairman would be proposing such measures might be surprising to some, but could well meaning environmentalists be in for a shock to find that a seemingly "grass roots" movement has been initiated from the top down?

In early 2009, Exxon Mobil announced its support of carbon taxes. As the Calgary Herald reports, "Exxonmobil corp., the world's largest crude oil refiner, supports taxing carbon dioxide as the most efficient way of curbing greenhouse gas emissions, its chief executive said." The announcement came from Rex Tillerson, CEO of Exxon Mobil, speaking at the Woodrow Wilson International Center for Scholars in Washington, which has served as a platform for discussing various globalist initiatives for many years.

A May 2008 article from the International Herald Tribune painted a glowing picture of the Rockefeller family - who built the Standard Oil empire, later to emerge as Exxon - in their quest to "press for change at Exxon". As reported, "David Rockefeller, retired chairman of Chase Manhattan Bank and patriarch of the family, issued a statement saying, "I support my family's efforts to sharpen Exxon Mobil's focus on the environmental crisis facing all of us."

If the world-wide trend continues, 'Web 3.0' will be tightly monitored, and will become an unprecedented tool for surveillance. The "Internet of Things", a digital representation of real world objects and people tagged with RFID chips, and increased censorship are two main themes for the future of the web.

The future of the internet, according to author and "web critic" Andrew Keen, will be monitored by "gatekeepers" to verify the accuracy of information posted on the web. The "Outlook 2009" report from the November-December issue of The Futurist reports that,

"Internet entrepreneur Andrew Keen believes that the anonymity of today's internet 2.0 will give way to a more open internet 3.0 in which third party gatekeepers monitor the information posted on Web sites to verify its accuracy."

Keen stated during his early 2008 interview with The Futurist that the internet, in its current form, has undermined mainline media and empowered untrustworthy "amateurs", two trends that he wants reversed. "Rather than the empowerment of the amateur, Web 3.0 will show the resurgence of the professional," states Keen.

Australia has now joined China in implementing mandatory internet censorship, furthering the trend towards a locked down and monitored web.

The Internet of Things

Now, the European Union has announced that it will pursue the main component of Web 3.0, the Internet of Things (IoT).

According to Viviane Reding, Commissioner for Information Society and Media for the EU, "The Internet of the future will radically change our society." Ultimately, the EU is aiming to "lead the way" in the transformation to Web 3.0.

Reporting on the European Union's pursuit of the IoT, iBLS reports,

"New technology applications will need ubiquitous Internet coverage. The Internet of Things means that wireless interaction between machines, vehicles, appliances, sensors and many other devices will take place using the Internet. It already makes electronic travel cards possible, and will allow mobile devices to exchange information to pay for things or get information from billboards."

The Internet of Things consists of objects that are 'tagged' with Radio Frequency Identification Chips (RFID) that communicate their position, history, and other information to an RFID reader or wireless network. Most, if not all major computer companies and technology developers (HP, Cisco, Intel, Microsoft, etc.) are putting large amounts of time and money into the Internet of Things.

Cisco and Sun Microsystems have founded an alliance to promote the Internet of Things and further its implementation.

South Korea is at the forefront in implementing ubiquitous technology and the Internet of Things. An entire city, New Songdo, is being built in South Korea that fully utilizes the technology. Ubiquitous computing proponents in the United States admit that while a large portion of the technology is being developed in the U.S., it is being tested in South Korea where there are less traditional, ethical and social blockades to prevent its acceptance and use. As the New York Times reports,

"Much of this technology was developed in U.S. research labs, but there are fewer social and regulatory obstacles to implementing them in Korea," said Mr. Townsend [a research director at the Institute for the Future in Palo Alto, California], who consulted on Seoul's own U-city plan, known as Digital Media City. 'There is an historical expectation of less privacy. Korea is willing to put off the hard questions to take the early lead and set standards.'"

Just catching up on this drivel - Betfair seems to have an abundance of physicists, (with faulty watches and/or bad eyesight), who's only knowledge of Newton was his partnership with Ridley.

Here's the real basis of all conspiracy theories. They are usually dressed up, disguised and more elaborate but at their core is this fundamental shift in thought. Let's use one example from 9-11:

If it was an establishment conspiracy then the one thing that group would want to ensure on the day is that the military, (the US Airforce,)were in a state of confusion.

This bit is fine. I think anyone can see the logic in that statement.

But then the jump is made to:

There was confusion in the military that day, therefore there was an establishment conspiracy.

Probability theory gone mad.


For a building to collapse at free fall speed, there has to be demolition activity.

I have a film of one of the towers collapsing with a clock running alongside. The clock says the tower collapsed at free fall speed. Therefore there must have been demolition.

Pfffft.
This is slightly more complex because we attach a time to it, we quote Newton, chuck in an equation or two and then allow the pseudo-science to kick in, but basically it's the same warping of sense and logic; the same phenomenon dressed up in a suit and tie.
Oh - and the same disregard for evidence, (and/or the lack of it), that pervades the whole 9/11 Conspiracy Camp. Well no, not actually the wholecamp - just the amateur sections of it. The professionals like Griffin and Gage; I believe they know full well that they are peddling a lie - there is no other explanation for the distortion of eyewitness statements that both have made. But simply and cynically, there's money in it.

What does sense and logic tell us about the collapse of these buildings at that speed then?

NIST stated that they found no evidence of explosives in the rubble of the three towers. Then admitted that they never looked for evidence of explosives. Not much of a Crime Scene investigtion. With all three towers falling at near freefall speed and eye witnesses, including the NY firefighters stating that exlposives where heard by many. Then you would have to come to the conclusion NIST have at the very least been incompetent. The biggest crime scene in American history and NIST forget to do a thorough search. Amazing.

I think suggesting Richard Gage is peddling a lie for profit is absolutely laughable.

Given that he is doing has no other work than peddling lies for profit, the charge stands.

He would be conning the victims famililes and making false charges against NIST and the US government.

Yep, that's exactly what he's doing.

More likely is that every architect and engineers registered with the movement are putting their reputations on the line for a new inquirey because they know the official one is fraudulent.

Alternatively, they are idiots.

NIST stated that they found no evidence of explosives in the rubble of the three towers. Then admitted that they never looked  for evidence of explosives.



What did the FBI and the NYPD do? With all those cameras around, NIST looked for something like this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?
v=79sJ1bMR6VQ

Didn't see or hear anything like that, Did you?


Not much of a Crime Scene investigtion. With all three towers falling at near freefall speed and eye witnesses, including the NY firefighters stating that exlposives where heard by many.

In a fire, things can go bang. Doesn't mean there were explosives.

"Terrorist" passport found in street after buildings collapse, and two black boxes built to survive any crash imaginable are supposedly not found. Some people are smelling something other than the coffee!

Its that the best you can do mate, calling experienced architects and engineers idiots because they are challenging the official line.
How about the scholars, firefighters, scientists, pilots who dont agree with the official line ?

You're quite right. Some of them are not idiots. Some of them are raking in the dollars from the terminally gullible.

Richard Gage is putting all his time into introducing people to the new evidence of nano thermite


Perhaps he should introduce them to what them to the number of demolitions done with any kind of thermite - zero.

If he was making fraudulent charges against NIST and the US government, do you not think he would have been implicated in falsifying evidence? wake up man!

Has he falsified evidence? Or is he making he just making baseless claims to extract dollars from his target audience. He is free to spout as much junk as he wants - nobody cares.