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Anyone here genuinely believe in god?
Anyone here genuinely believe in god?
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I'm sure I posted several times in this thread but I can't seem to find my posts. Anyone else having the same problem?
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The new testament is laughable with it's tales of virgin births, loaves and fishes, walking on water, etc.
It's about time human kind woke up and smelled the coffee. God(s) do not exist. If they did, we would all be in no doubt about their existence and there would be no need for this thread. |
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The answer may be simple, but our specie has yet to know for sure. The logic of our thoughts revolve much around the constraints of the world we live. It limits the degree to which we are able to comprehend. As such, the answers of life, God and universe will always be much beyond our grasp .
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Child of the Rafalution Joined: 09 May 07
Replies: 758 06 May 10 18:33 Lol Sunset since you love wiki so much loo up the Gospel of St John on there, first few lines of 2nf para in particular. Also I assert that your a very dismissive and obtuse character Is this what you are referring too? It would have been better if you had copied and pasted it instead of letting me do all the work for you again. You do know how to copy and paste don't you? The Gospel is anonymous, but in chapter 21 it is stated that it derives from the testimony of the 'Disciple whom Jesus loved', whom Early Church tradition identified with John the Apostle, one of Jesus' Twelve Apostles. It is closely related in style and content to the three surviving Epistles of John, such that most commentators routinely treat the four books together.[1]:p.63 Scholarly opinion is divided as to whether these epistles are the work of the evangelist himself, or of his followers writing in his name. The epistles are addressed to a particular but unnamed church community, and most scholars presume that the Gospel too is addressed to the specific circumstances of that community. The evangelist urges his church to beware of internal factions and reject false teaching, and also seeks to strengthen their resolution in the face of hostility and persecution from the Jewish leadership of the synagogue; " ...it is now widely accepted that the discourses are concerned with the actual issues of the church and synagogue debate at the time when the Gospel was written."[1]:p.53 It is notable that, in the gospel, the community still appears to define itself primarily against Judaism, rather than as part of a wider Christian church. Lindars points out that Christianity started as a movement within Judaism, but he says that gradually Christians and Jews became bitterly opposed to one another.[1 If you had bothered to read further down you would have read this. Internal evidence that the author was the Apostle John The express testimony of the author states that he is an eyewitness to Jesus and that his testimony is true. The Gospel of John explains that the author is the Disciple whom Jesus loved. In other words, we are told that the disciple giving this account has born true witness. [29] The text implies that the unnamed author is an apostle. John 21:20–25 contains information that could be construed as autobiographical. Some believe that the first person "I" in verse 25, the disciple in verse 24 and the disciple whom Jesus loved (also known as the Beloved Disciple) in verse 20 are the same person.[30] Critics point out that the abrupt shift from third person to first person in vss. 24–25 indicates that the writers of the epilogue, (who are supposedly third-party editors) claim the preceding narrative is based on the Beloved Disciple's testimony.[31][32] In the Synoptics, John is close to Peter, the chief apostle, in a way that, in John, the beloved disciple is close to Peter.[33] The consistent omission of John has traditionally been taken as evidence that John authored the Gospel. |
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FujiyamaDumptruck Joined: 15 Mar 10
Replies: 61 07 May 10 00:20 I'm sure I posted several times in this thread but I can't seem to find my posts. Anyone else having the same problem I will answer your question because the militant atheists won't because they are rude and ignorant. I keep asking them questions, but get not reply and then I get fasly accused of being dismissive. It's laughable.The reason they have disapeared is because of the migration over to the new forum. All the messages posted on May the 5th are gone.man of many moods said Don't worry Rafa. I'm going to have these recent posts of his removed. He lied. He has not had them removed. If any posts are missing it is because of the migration .Nothing to do with man of many moods. |
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Get me a drink Joined: 25 Oct 03
Replies: 120 07 May 10 03:38 The new testament is laughable with it's tales of virgin births, loaves and fishes, walking on water, etc. So you say. Do you think quantum theory is laughable as well? We live in a spooky world. Get used to it. It's about time human kind woke up and smelled the coffee. God(s) do not exist. If they did, we would all be in no doubt about their existence and there would be no need for this thread. Oh right so unless everyone believes in something it does not exist.lol.I guess you don't know that most people used to think that the earth was the centre of the universe.Now we know better. So according to your logic the earth did used to be the centre of the universe . And people say christians are irrational.Bob Hope and no hope. |
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rink rat Joined: 09 Feb 05
Replies: 833 07 May 10 07:51 The answer may be simple, but our specie has yet to know for sure. The logic of our thoughts revolve much around the constraints of the world we live. It limits the degree to which we are able to comprehend. As such, the answers of life, God and universe will always be much beyond our grasp . This is true to some extent. There is much we don't know.But from what we do know we can make an educated guess and that evidence points to God's existance. |
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erm SC am I to understand that because the author is a self proclaimed eye witness then you believe it?
If I wrote that I was JC would you believe it because I had made the claim? The Gospel is highly debateable, it MAY have been written by whom you claim, but there is at the very least considerable doubt. Your a funny one. And why would Quantum Physics be laughable? |
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Child of the Rafalution Joined: 09 May 07
Replies: 770 07 May 10 15:02 erm SC am I to understand that because the author is a self proclaimed eye witness then you believe it? Yes why shouldn't I .Josephus and Tacitus and other ancient historians reported on things that they didn't eyewitness and they are believed so why shouldn't we believe John? If I wrote that I was JC would you believe it because I had made the claim? You are comparing apples and oranges again. Militant atheists do this alot I've noticed. No because you are not an eyewitness to any miracles and have performed any miracles. If you were willing to die for what you claim to have seen then I would believe you. Are you willing to do that. The Gospel is highly debateable, it MAY have been written by whom you claim, but there is at the very least considerable doubt. So you say. You have provided not evidence for your belief yet again. Your a funny one. Not as funny as you. You said the other day that you had done with this thread. I guess you making decisions and sticking to them are not your strong point. And why would Quantum Physics be laughable? You don't know much about Quantum Physics do you? If you did you would know that it is very weird. I didn't say laughable.Atoms can be in two places at the same time and according to quantum Theory it is possible to walk throw a wall. It's called quantum tunnelling. So yes miracles can happen. |
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Does a watch prove the existence of a watchmaker? Evidently some who have posted on this thread think not!
"Since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities - his eternal power and divine nature - have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse." (Romans 1:19-20) |
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Owmybrainhurtz Joined: 18 Jul 03
Replies: 67 07 May 10 22:45 Does a watch prove the existence of a watchmaker? Evidently some who have posted on this thread think not! "Since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities - his eternal power and divine nature - have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse." (Romans 1:19-20) No doubt the deluded milatant atheists will think that Dawkins debunked this one in the Blind Watch Maker.He didn't . Evoultion explains nothing about the order in the universe only the evolution of life on this planet. It doesn't explain how life got started .This is Abiogenesis.Any one that is sincerly interested in what we have been discussing on this thread should read Evidence that demands a verdict by Josh Mcdowell. Is God a Delusion?: What is the Evidence? by Nicky Gumbel and There is a God by Anthony Flew to name a few. |
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I used to .. until I didn't do .. and then I wasn't sure anymore .. now I just think he's a c00nt
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Nobody knows.
Some think not, some hope there is whilst others claim absolute certainty. It's the latter thinkers that I feel sorry for. |
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people are so self centered & wonder where We all came from .. what about the millions of different species of animals , insects etc .. who invented all them
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It's all down to Mother Nature.
That would be my God if I felt I needed one. |