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Anyone here genuinely believe in god?
Anyone here genuinely believe in god?
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Zola - he is just saying in essence 'Keep up the good work big man' its a kind of appraisal I guess. :)
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Child of the Rafalution 03 May 14:03
just a quick return foray for me Probably the same reason the Jews have because they are different from the crowd. People are frightened by people who are different to them You earlier stated that Christians or Theists if you prefer were a majority. That is all Theists are a majority . About 86%. Christians 40%. There are many that believe in God that are not Christians. Muslims for a start. It's simple math. |
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Zola's Back Heel 03 May 14:07
I do pray for some things to change Seems a bit pointless. You want god to change what is to happen, thereby asking god to change what god was (in its infinite wisom) going to allow to happen until you "interviened". but always pray for Gods will to be done. Surely that contradicts with praying for change. No because I'm praying for a change if it is Gods will. I don't always no what Gods will is. |
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Child of the Rafalution 03 May 14:09
Zola - he is just saying in essence 'Keep up the good work big man' its a kind of appraisal I guess. No that would be thanking or praising God for what he has done. That is not asking for anything. |
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SO what do you accomplish by praying, gods will will be done, irrespective of what you pray for, yes?
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ffs pedantic much, you are 40% of the population, the muslims say for example 40% stop being bullied, stand up for yourselves and you will find you wont get persecuted then.
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Zola's Back Heel 03 May 14:13
SO what do you accomplish by praying, gods will will be done, irrespective of what you pray for, yes It's about a relationship as much as anything else. Like a kid asking his Dad for something. Some times the dad says no because he knows it's bad for him. For example 3 cream cakes.(because it will make him fat and damage his health) The Dad knows it's bad even though the kids might not understand and think his Dads just being mean.When a kid asks his Dad for something he doesn't know if it's his dads will or not to let him have it. |
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Child of the Rafalution 03 May 14:15
ffs pedantic much, you are 40% of the population, the muslims say for example 40% stop being bullied, stand up for yourselves and you will find you wont get persecuted then. You mean like the Muslims are doing. 9/11 and Afghanistan.They think the west and Isreal is persecuting and killing muslims. The Jews have always stud up for themselves. They stood up to the Romans and the Nazis. Didn't stop them being persecuted. |
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I don't see how that is a valid analogy.
You have said yourself that no matter whatever you actually pray for, it will not actually change what actually happens. It is an irrelevant act. |
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Zola's Back Heel 03 May 14:25
I don't see how that is a valid analogy. You have said yourself that no matter whatever you actually pray for, it will not actually change what actually happens. It is an irrelevant act Prayer is more about us changing than God. When we pray we change. we submit to Gods will. |
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You mean like the Muslims are doing. 9/11 and Afghanistan.They think the west and Isreal is persecuting and killing muslims. The Jews have always stud up for themselves. They stood up to the Romans and the Nazis. Didn't stop them being persecuted.
Oh dear Oh dear, you didnt say that did you? I think you will find that these acts were carried out by extremist/radicals call them what you will. They are rejected by the main stream Muslims. You have tarred the Muslim people with the same brush here. Pretty outrageous IMO. Oh and the Jews were a vast minority compared to the Nazis and the Romans and the power they had. Christians at 40% must be by your definition the single biggest group of like minded people on earth therefore having no cause to be persecuted. They are scorned by those who believe in logic and science in some cases as we know, but surely your faith can cope with that. Here is another statement, Christians committed the bombing of the Alfred P. Murrah Building on April 19, 1995, killing 168 people, including 19 children under the age of six. Timothy Mcveigh. |
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But surely even change in yourself will is ultimately down to gods will whether you actually change or not?
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Child of the Rafalution 03 May 14:30
You mean like the Muslims are doing. 9/11 and Afghanistan.They think the west and Isreal is persecuting and killing muslims. The Jews have always stud up for themselves. They stood up to the Romans and the Nazis. Didn't stop them being persecuted. Oh dear Oh dear, you didnt say that did you? I think you will find that these acts were carried out by extremist/radicals call them what you will. They are rejected by the main stream Muslims. You have tarred the Muslim people with the same brush here. Pretty outrageous IMO. The Koran says to kill the infidel. Bin Laden is only doing what the Koran says. The other Muslims are in denial about what their own book says. Oh and the Jews were a vast minority compared to the Nazis and the Romans and the power they had. Christians at 40% must be by your definition the single biggest group of like minded people on earth therefore having no cause to be persecuted. They are a tiny minority in many country's like North Korea and China. You think this 40% is equally distributed across the planet.LOL. You have got a lot to learn. They are scorned by those who believe in logic and science in some cases as we know, but surely your faith can cope with that. This is just another subtle form of persecution. This is often the prelude to proper persecution. As for those that believe in logic and science so do Christians. Prove that they don't? This is your baseless assertion. Here is another statement, Christians committed the bombing of the Alfred P. Murrah Building on April 19, 1995, killing 168 people, including 19 children under the age of six. Timothy Mcveigh. What is your evidence for this statement? his statement? |
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Zola's Back Heel 03 May 14:37
But surely even change in yourself will is ultimately down to gods will whether you actually change or not? In a sense yes, but we have free will You believe in free will dont you? |
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Mcveigh was a Catholic, 9/11 bombers were Muslim, I was demostrating the absurdness of your earlier claims.
Thanks for the LOL, yeah I believe that they are all int he same geographical area. I am that stupid. Lots more excuses today. Everyhting you are challenged with is an assertation and yet the Gospels speak truth, because they are apaprently eye witness accounts. Obviously this couldnt be a falsehood, and even if they were written at the times there is no possible reason for them to be lies? I think Ill just read this thread now rather than contibute, at least for the time being, feel free to say I am giving up etc |
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I still can't be arsed reading all this but I want to be involved in the ruck.
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I wonder you you believe in free will.
If whatever you chose to do at any time, in any circumstance, is ultimately gods will, that doesn't sound very free to me. More like an illusion of freedom. |
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Ovalman Ill summarize
God is never wrong, non believers WILL go to hell. Christians ARE right, and the Gospels/Bible are strong credibel evidence to support the above. Wade in :) |
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C OF THE REV- That's not a bad summing up . God bless .
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If we have free will according to you its Gods willk that we have it,so do you believe in free will?Also I am atheist Sunset I dont believ in deities I said I believe the universe was scientifically created not mystically.I reject the gospels because they say Jesus was gods son-it was bad enough to say you were having a child out of wedlock 60 years ago.imagine what it would have been like 2000 years ago in the so called holy land.Also there is solid evidence that the bible has benn altered through the ages to suit the Catholic church and it is full of contradictions-surely if god exists he is intelligent enough to get things right the first time around.there is far more wisdom in the Eastern religions imo
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I think Ill just read this thread now rather than contibute
A wise decision Rafa. He seems to think we all need some sort of help whereas it's plain for all to see (except him apparently) that it's the other way round. |
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Hey Moody, your about to be paraphrased and italice and put in bold, because my friend that was an 'assertion' :)
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I can't imagine why. I was addressing you, not him.
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What about the Vedic scriptures and the Tibetan book of the dead-if somebody had said they were eyewitness acoounts of things would you hold them in the same regard as the bible sunset?Or do you presume they are lies?
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moody i dont think it matters!
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Well you may be right Rafa, but it's pretty rude to eavesdrop and then butt in with an opinion.
He may be many things but I think he's fairly well-mannered so I hope he'll prove you wrong. |
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Mind you, he did it when I warned you about him a few pages ago so maybe I'm wrong.
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It is gods will that I bump this thread.
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I'm sure I shook his hand once. Sweaty & over-rated if I rememnber correctly
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the cheeky like argie.
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*little
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How bad does a christian believer have to be to go to hell?
what is the cut off point? if you kill once then repent is it heaven or hell, twice? if you kill then serve out your sentence is it heaven or hell If you steal a million dollars are you more likely to go to hell than if you stole one dollar? if you are full of sin and die on your way to confession, whats the deal then?, please do not post that god would know and therefore forgive as this scenario would negate confession existing at all! |
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Sunset Cristo 06 May 10:28
man of many moods 05 May 11:12 Don't worry Rafa. I'm going to have these recent posts of his removed. Not got round to yet then? Oh ye of little faith... |
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I wonder if we will get the missing ones cut and pasted for our benefit?
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lol moody
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man of many moods Joined: 06 Mar 02
Replies: 3374 06 May 10 14:08 Sunset Cristo 06 May 10:28 man of many moods 05 May 11:12 Don't worry Rafa. I'm going to have these recent posts of his removed. Not got round to yet then? Oh ye of little faith I don't have faith in anything you say. |
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One of my flaws is that I don't suffer fools gladly. I never have. I just don't have the patience for it. And someone who sets themselves up as an authority on a subject about which they seem to have little grasp or knowledge and feels the need to respond to every single post is in my eyes a fool.
When you come out with nonsense like St John's gospel being an eye-witness account then you just lose all credibility. No-one even knows who wrote it! The main reason that I haven't entered this discussion properly is because I clearly know a great deal more about religion than you do, having had reason to study it extensively in the past. And trying to discuss it with someone whose only interest and mission in life seems to be to preach their own views whilst rubbishing everyone else's would be pointless and futile. However… Others seem happy to bang their head against your brick wall. And you've put a lot of time and effort into your replies. So, as I'm a nice guy and hate to see all your misguided notions consigned to the cyber bin forever just because you didn't realise that Betfair wasn't going to transfer them to the new forum, I saved all the missing posts to my computer for you. So if it's important to you and you'd like me to repost them then I will happily do so. If not I'll bin them. I don't care either way. Up to you entirely. |
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man of many moods Joined: 06 Mar 02
Replies: 3375 06 May 10 17:20 One of my flaws is that I don't suffer fools gladly. I never have. I guess you give yourself a hard time then I just don't have the patience for it. And someone who sets themselves up as an authority on a subject about which they seem to have little grasp or knowledge and feels the need to respond to every single post is in my eyes a fool. So you say. Another baseless assertion. I have never said I am an authority on this subject. You have said that.You say I have little grasp or knowledge of this subject. Feel free to put me in my place. Of course you can't so you will ignore this again. I respond to most posts yes because I don't like to see lies going unanswered. unlike you I don't ignore people when asked a question. That would be rude and ignorant. When you come out with nonsense like St John's gospel being an eye-witness account then you just lose all credibility. No-one even knows who wrote it! So you say, No evidence given again. Read John 21:24. See what I did there I quated a primary source document. Have the guts to examine and stop being intellectually dishonest. The main reason that I haven't entered this discussion properly is because I clearly know a great deal more about religion than you do LOL , having had reason to study it extensively in the past. And trying to discuss it with someone whose only interest and mission in life seems to be to preach their own views whilst rubbishing everyone else's would be pointless and futile. This is your opinion.I only want to debate the facts. This is obviously beyond you. However… Others seem happy to bang their head against your brick wall. And you've put a lot of time and effort into your replies. So, as I'm a nice guy and hate to see all your misguided notions LOL consigned to the cyber bin forever just because you didn't realise that Betfair wasn't going to transfer them to the new forum, I saved all the missing posts to my computer for you. So if it's important to you and you'd like me to repost them then I will happily do so. If not I'll bin them. I don't care either way. Up to you entirely. Yes if you are going to get involved in the debate and stop ignoring the logical arguments I have put forward.If not then don't bother you are wasting my time. |
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Its a negative free roll to call yourself at atheist.
Just call yourself an agnostic in the off chance that he's real. |
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Lol Sunset since you love wiki so much loo up the Gospel of St John on there, first few lines of 2nf para in particular.
Also I assert that your a very dismissive and obtuse character |