We all have a spirit....it can only come from God..or the HIGHER POWER...GOD IS EVERYWHERE....this is a spirit world...you are god we are god....we are here to do gods work...we have choice given by god...walk the path of truth and feel free. free from the path of DESIRE WANT THESE ARE NOT YOU BUT THINGS EXTERNAL TO YOU...GET new house a new car but it wont give eternal joy...

Bodhi..it's a persoal thing about growth.You do not need to be part of any group.

Paganism is a belief , no difference.

What do you think of crystal healing?

i believe i may convert to islam at some point in the near future. inchallah my brother.

Thanks for that, Icapea Harebrain. Most interesting.

LOL SO WRONG.

3 Thoughts we all know exist....but are they visible?

I could go on but whats the point.

NOOO!!!! I'm not having that! That's really unfair.

It's given conclusive proof of several other people's stupidity too... on both sides of the argument.

greenviking 30 Apr 10:57


Hello Sunset I tried the link for Isaiah 53 the other day but the sites that came up only had bits and pieces of it.Do you know of a link to the full passage?

http://www.therefinersfire.org/more_jesus_prophecies.htm

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Isaiah+53%3A1-12&version=NIV

J2BLUE. 30 Apr 11:58


Sunset Cristo 30 Apr 01:00
J2BLUE. 29 Apr 23:33


Nothing has been rammed down my throat. My family aren't religious. I couldn't tell you if my own family believed to be honest. It's a personal thing. It is definitely something I found on my own



This is a common delusion. It's actually the other way round. Many come to believe in God when they get older for example two famous atheists. C.S Lewis and Anthony Flew.




I'm 22.

Yes I was 18 when I bacame a Christian after much thought and study. And I'm not that old now.

One of the pro-God arguments goes like this:

1) the Big Bang is how the Universe started

2) the BB made something out of nothing (ie before it there was nowt, after an exploding universe)

3) that contravenes the laws of thermodynamics

4) therefore some magical entity must have been the cause

5) QED God exists

In case the problems with this chain of assertions need pointing out (I don't think they do but to be safe) here goes:

1) BB is current best guess by consensus for the origin of the Universe but the history of science is littered with majority views being overturned. For now let's assume it is true.





Yes this is true. Of course when Christians say this about the universe being billions of years old and the fact that some Christians believe in a literal 6 day creation they are though to be morons.


2) seems to be the case claimed by BB proponents.

3) does it? Perhaps the laws of thermodynamics came into existence simultaneously with the Universe but did not hold sway prior to the moment of origin. In which case this criticism is invalid.




This would still not solve anything because you are still suggesting that the laws of physics came from nothing. Where there is a law there is usually a law giver. besides if everything happened by chance as you believe then what your wrote in your last post is by chance and so intimately means nothing so why should I believe it?


Also some physicists have suggested the BB is the otherside of a Black Hole - if true it may not contradict said laws.





This is wishful thinking and there is no evidence for this. Even if it was true it would only explain how not the why. Science can only explain the how questions not the why questions.



4) errr no. Because I don't know what caused soething doesn't mean I must assume a divine being at work. Maybe I just keep an open mind and await further evidence.





If you are intellectually honest you shuold go with the most logical answer until something comes along to prove it wrong. If it ever does.

5) ditto

evski 30 Apr 12:13


The idea that the earth is analagous to a fishtank being maintained by some outside force is laughable.



So you say. Prove it? You are just stating your opinion. I'm not interested in your opinion.


The reason climactic conditions on this planet are so perfect is because that is the only was that evolution can work. New species are hardly going to flourish and thrive in conditions completely unsuitable to themselves.





So these conditions just happened by chance did they? So everything you are writing is just by chance. So why should I believe it? Your kind of belief implodes in itself, but you are to deluded to realize this.



There is no logical arguement for a belief in god and anyone claiming otherwise is a fantasist.




So you say. This is another of your beliefs. Please provide evidence for your assertion?



Of course there is no evidence that a divine power does not exist, but that is no reason fo belief.

So you are an agnostic then?


I often wonder, what make a religious person so sure that their religion is the right one? There are dozens of religions globally, and over time there have surely been thousands. How can one individual at a specific point in time be sure they are believing in the right god?



This one has been answered already on this thread. Christianity is unique. It is about God doing something for man. Jesus coming to die for the sins of the world. All other religions are about keeping rules and trying to make God love us. Christians believe God already loves us.

Tony Broke 30 Apr 13:05


sunset you have done remarkably well to keep answering ..its very hard work as ive found in the past.

You obviously realise from ur posts that its like beating your head against a brick wall, or casting your pearls before swine!!

'You cannot come to the father except he draw you,' no amount of reasoned argument will bring you any closer to the truth unless you are spiritually awakened, and yet, mankind has been given free will, God has already given you all you need if youre truly looking for answers, not just in the bible but in the world aroudn you, the miracles surrounding you on very side, youd have to be blind not to see the hand of God in everything, apart from, that is, when mankind ruins things with his selfishness, greed, etc.

I know were you are coming from, but it also say's that faith comes by hearing the word. You don't know who is reading. I will keep sowing seeds of faith. Milatant atheists are not going to stop sowing seeds of doubt.

Knight Rider 30 Apr 17:38


I think it is important to distinguish between deism and a theism. Deism is the belief that some sort of supreme creator kick-started the Universe and has not interfered since (i.e. it is compatible with the theory of evolution). This sounds perfectly plausible to me although it still leaves the question of who is this creator, who created him, etc. Perhaps there is an infinite chain of Universes that created a Universe within that Universe? Who knows. I don't think we will ever come close to answering this.

Theism is the belief in a God who specifically created Man and all the other thousands of species on Earth, and takes an interest in our activities, answering prayers, performing miracles etc. This seems highly implausible to me


Thats because you ignore the evidence for miracles and answered prayers. Millions can testify to healing and the like.
For example
Padro Pio
Smith Wiggles worth
Rheinard Bonnke.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SroD02bP120
Miracles at Lourdes.



and it's quite shocking really that there is still widespread belief some 150 years since Darwin blew 'intelligent design' out of the water.



Does nothing of the sought. evolution only applies to this planet it explains nothing about the fine tuning of the universe even Dawkins admits this.



I tend to agree with the above comment about not forcing beliefs on other people; which is why I dismay at children being taught religion as FACT at a young age. I certainly will not be telling my kids that there definitely is no god; but when they are older and the subject arises, I will tell them my opinion and the logic that led me to that conclusion. Whether they choose to agree will be their choice (but I confess I will be disappointed if they become religious

Zola's Back Heel 30 Apr 21:53


how do you consolidate prayer and infalibility?




Not sure what you are asking here. Can you explain a bit better?

Keep up the good work SC .

Ovalman. 30 Apr 22:40


I get blessed with a decent family holiday on low stakes thanks to poker and I don't pray to a higher being.

Something's not right, think of all those people that pray for luck in games and never get it. Yet when they get that luck, its a devine intervention

Jesus said to pray according to Gods will. You just go round asking for anything. Thats daft. If it's not according to Gods will is won't happen.

slartybartfast. 30 Apr 22:55


Good post, Kinght Rider.

My 7-year-old son asked me this question this very afternoon: "Where did the first person come from?"

I said something along these lines:

"Well, nobody knows for sure. But there there are basically two main stories that people believe. The first is that God (he goes to a CE school as it's good and local, so he knows a little about the Christian version of God) or gods made the first person. The second story is that the first person came from apes by a process of gradual change we call evolution."

It's a tricky question but I think I was fair.

Or both are true. I don't have kids, but if I did I wouldn't ram Christianity down their throats. This could back fire anyway. I don't know any Christians that do this actually. They take them to Church and Sunday school, but what are supposed to do leave tham at home when they go to Church? Social services would not be happy.People influence there kids in many ways. Mostly through actions. For example if parents smoke it is more likely that the kids will. Francis of Assisi said preach the gospel and speak if you have too. kids aren't stupid if they don't see it in their parents lifes they will probably reject their parents faith anyway.

greenviking 30 Apr 23:10


They are a result of my thoughts,which I suppose are a result of my experiences

So basically your beliefs are based on random events not free will or rational thought.

trying 01 May 00:04


whether god exists or not, religion has a lot to answer for.
Religion has turned father against son,mother against daughter.




You could say the same about politics. Do you think poilitics is a bad thing? Do you think politics should be banned?

We are still to this day fighting in the name of god. Tell me that this is righteous and holy


of course it is not. There is false and true religion. true religion is to love God and your fellow man. this is what Jesus taught. Men have twisted what he said. This just shows how evil and sinful people can be.