motive without evidence wouldn't remotely secure a conviction

correct. but i suspect she is not only offering evidence of motive - that would seem a little futile. like is said, it;s just one part.

But I've already pointed you to the suspect nature of another piece of "evidence". She's made enough of a fuss of that. Just saying you're sure she's offering some evidence means you have complete faith in her judgement without even seeing said "evidence". Do you think that's any more rational than taking the drug companies at their word that they just want to help people get and stay well?

How dare you!

discounted as piffle by the common mugs

I'd prefer that working class horse filth like you, DW, did not label your social and intellectual superiors as 'common'.

I'd prefer that working class horse filth like you, DW, did not label your social and intellectual superiors as 'common'.

i would never do such a thing. you are not in that category. it is the elite that see you as common. this is not an individual disrespect, it is a fact in law.

'A fact in law' :^0

WTF? :^0

so nothing to do with people moving around the world at a greatest rate ever. It obviously must be the elite that decided they were going to create a poor man's version of the influenza virus in mexico city

Using the "swine flu" as a pretext, the defendants have preplanned the mass murder of the U.S. population by means of forced vaccination. They have installed an extensive network of FEMA concentration camps and identified mass grave sites, and they have been involved in devising and implementing a scheme to hand power over the U.S. to an international crime syndicate that uses the UN and WHO as a front for illegal racketeering influenced organized crime activities, in violation of the laws that govern treason

Great. Leading the charge to the surgeries for their jabs will be the chavs, BB watchers and "Swine Flu Party planners". Job done IMO.

lol. wouldnt want to miss anyone would they.

i will leave you all to it now anyway - have your thread back and enjoy yourselves :)

orioles. i pity you. best of luck.

flea - if they did that a) they or their family may catch it; b) the people would demand a vaccine. this way they get their "vaccine" and the virus.

i really am off now. could have been an interesting conversation but i dont come here to be insulted by smallminded plebs like oriassoles.

orioles.

lol you mug. make sure you get your jab.

for the record, i do not believe in lizard people, or aliens (as you know them), for that matter. that is all disinformation to discredit the argument and distract further from the proof. you cant tar everyone with the same brush.

do you recognise the word unalienable? something to do with your rights?

LIEN (pronounced like lean)- is a word used in the world of commerical law. it's to do with ownership.

you have been liened - thus you have given up your rights as a sovereign of this land. you have joined "the society" that is society. you joined by being registered. "registration" is the transferral of ownership of something under law. like your car - where you register it with the dvla. once registered, they own the car - you're the keeper. your v5 confirms this with your name next to registered keeper. have a look - who is the owner?

you - or rather your name - is the same. your name is registered and therefore owned by the state. as a registered member of society you give up all you unalienable rights and agree to adhere to all the rules the society lays out (these are known as statutes - ie all Acts, Sections etc). statutes are not laws at all - they need not apply, but your consent is implied under law because you have not withdrawn it.

this lien was done without your consent - because your parents did not know what they were doing when you were born. people used to be recorded - now they are registered. a big difference.

this is why you are a slave. because you are effectively under law a company employee, and a legal entity, also known in the law world as a fiction. the company is uk plc. your employee number is your ni number.

instead of the state owning their name, the elite own theirs themselves, by placing their own lien on the name, and not registering.

last time i checked, all men were considered equal. the trouble is, if your liened by the state your not considered a man or a human being at all. your consdiered a person - which under law is a fictional legal entity. your name is a fictional legal entity - because you cannot see it or touch it. you think you and your name are one and the same, so the state treats you as such. if you have a birth certifacte, you are liened, unless you have claimed otherwise through lawful process.

so gl with swine flu commoner :) :) :)

Ooh, you're back!

Goodness, that's quite a mouthful. As a barrister, with undergraduate and post-graduate degrees in law, I am familiar with the terms you are using (thanks for the pronunciation tips). Your use of the words though, as discrete legal terms, is preposterous and your conclusion the usual mix of mere wrong-headedness, ignorance and infantile logic.

I've noticed that you conspiracy/NWO wallahs do this a great deal; you lift what are clearly other people's ideas, that you don't fully understand, and regurgitate them in the belief that they carry some wisdom.

It's rather like a game of Chinese whispers; an idea is advanced and then it passes through a million fevered minds and emerges at the end as, for example, a 9/11 factoid, or 'evidence' of some terrible threat, or even a stab at a fully-formed theory.

In fact it is never any of these things, it's often just a type of hysteria, or a fervent hope that those terrible feelings of inadequacy are really somebody else's fault - you couldn't possibly sort yourself out, because irresistible, unseen forces have moved against you.

Actually, it just requires you to grow up.

don's a good bloke, a bit odd but decent nonetheless

Oh yes he does all the time like the rest of the conspiracy nutjobs. On politics he persists when others are really laying into him, he's never as offensive as people like me.

There isn't a counter argument, because you don't understand the terms you're using and, as a result, your post is nonsensical. It contains neither logic, nor proper meaning. You might as well be posting in hieroglyphs for all the sense it makes.

I forget the rest of your post.

i am summarising the situation. if you ' re a barrister you don't need me to break it down for you and you understand the gist of what i am saying. obviously you do not want to confront it.

..and i do understand the words. it is the words that are confusing you. their "definitions" may have changed over time as written in law dictionaries, however their meaning remains the same. perhaps compare your modern law dictionary with a 1st/2nd edition, Blacks for example. you may find it enlightening.

i dont expect you to accept it anyway so dont worry.

back to swine flu - bit direspectful to hiijack the thread

You're disappearing up your semantic fundament. You're reaching that level of confusion where what you're saying merely becomes 'white noise'.

You clearly don't know the definition of the words (legal or otherwise) the idea you're trying to put forward, or the logic that would take you there. Your attempt to set meaning against definition is, ironically, utterly meaningless and is just so much blether in the hope you can bluff it.

But then, it's not your idea, is it?

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DonWarro 03 Jul 17:26
it's not an idea at all.

Quite.

You might usefully look up res ipsa loquitur :)

Read Hart's 'The Concept of Law' if you're really interested in the philosophy of law, it'll tell you a hell of a lot more than the websites you've been looking at.