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Trilby

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I definitely believe in a Jesus Christ

BOOM "Christ" is not a name, it is a title. It means God's chosen Messiah. To believe in Jesus as the Christ means you accept who he was and what he was here for. I'm claiming that as a win!

Really though, it's quite funny to read through some of this. Since 2009 when this began I did a serious amount of research, not only on atheist websites but also by talking to Christians including a guy who'd actually been around Greece tracing where Paul went and varyifying to historical aspect of his recordings. Look I could play Sunset Christo and c+p numerous posts and deconstruct them but none of it's relevent to you. All that's relevent to you as non-christians id Jesus, those 4 books at the start of the new testament, Matthew, Mark, Luke and John. The entire rest of the bible is intended for those who show faith in the teachings of those 4 books. Why on earth would you think the rest of would make sense to you if you don't understand Jesus?
Luke was one of the most intelligent men alive at the time. He was one of a handful who could actually read and write and having finished his education as a doctor, he then proceeded to spend the rest of his life touring Judea speaking to people who had actually seen Jesus. This is recorded independently by Tacitus who not only records part of his movements but also what he was doing. His source material, ie the notes he made as he spoke to people are still kept in the Jeruslaem museum. So this hugely intelligent man who spoke to over 20,000 eye witnesses then spent the last years of his life compiling his records. Yes, by this stage it was 60-70AD and JC was ong gone but does that really make the eye witness statments any less accurate? Does anyone (anyone sensible) doubt the finding of the independent Hillsborough report which was compiled in exactly the same way? All of this is very nice in itself but when you then go and compare Luke's account to the others, particularly that of Mark who knew precisely nothing of Luke's work, the amount of similarities makes it ough to believe there's nothing in it. I think you can see that at the start of this thread whilst I was a sympathist, I was far from a believer. This research left me with 3 viable scenarios. Either 1) Jesus was a trickster, some kind of ancient Dynamo who pulled off illusions. Whilst some of this is belivable (we've all seen Dynamo walk on water), raising Jairus's daughter from the dead without even being there is a step too far for me. Not to mention raising himself after 3 days in the grave. It's just not possible but the weight of evidence compels a true scholar to believe at least that it appeared to happen. 2) Jesus was a liar. Well, since he never tried to gain anything from his work and ended up being crucified, I struggle to believe this either, in fact option 3) that it's all true and he really was the "son" of the creator God who made this world, is by far and away the most believable option. Sorry this doesn;t quite fit your agendas

...finally got hold of him using 118.......

...said trilby was going to hell for this fishing expedition.....seems there is one thing he hates more than the devil....

..and that is wasted time

I'd call Maureen instead, loving this thread :D

that's not true, I don't know where you got that information from but Luke compiled his gospel in around 60-70 AD which is less than 30 years after his death and as described, the information was gathered even earlier than that. Mark worked with St Peter who was Jesus right hand man so that's not a generation apart either. whilst what you say would suit your view nicely, there's a huge weight of evidence that says you're wrong. Bury your head in the sand if you so wish!

30 years is a generation you twonk

not in my book. anyway, arguing about how long a generation is a a pointless distraction. 30 years is not long enough to discredit the account. And that's ignoring that the eye witness accounts were taken earlier and also to ignore the consistency with Mark's account which was compiled from the sermons of St Peter who was actually there.

25 years is considered a generation......back then people didnt live as long.......30 years after his death there would be very few people who would have met him

what eyewitness accounts

Bq open sundays

why no women in JC's cabinet ?

no but they did get many privilidges such as being the first to see the resurrected Jesus.

.....if you think God has crafted and moulded us.........and we...as a species are now on the brink of moulding life....through genetic manipulation......then perhaps things have come full circle....almost........

...all we need to complete the circle is the ability for interstellar travel......where perhaps we will happen upon a primitive civilisation and start the stories all over again!!!!!!!

constantine put the bible together in 300ad so the fact the 4 are roughly the same story as they were put together not by the authors..you know he had  other prospective "messiahs" all telling the same story....jesus was not unique.........you do know the universe is 13.7 billion years old and the earth over 4 billon.........pray tell where does the talking snake fit in??

Posting a random link on a random forum will never get views unless you put what it's about and an indication of its length. No point watching a 4h documentary btw.

I will watch it but just to let you know in future, post descriptions to your links.

It's a 7 minute video of Professor John lennox giving an explanation for Christianity.

How many people do you think he could round up and question each and every day?
Many!! Very Many!! Jesus lived his entire life in a relatively small area and Luke's travels would not have included thousands of locations. Word of what he was doing spread. The eye witnesses were expecting him. They had seen and because of what they had seen they were so passionate about it that they were flocking to speak to Luke, the man who could write! When he arrived in any given town or city, (how many people do you suppose lived in Jerusalem at the time btw?), they went to him - in crowds. Its not an unbelievable amount at all for something which was the man's life work. He didn't die til he was very old!

religons are man made.....the fact theres over 6000 gods tell you that........people who believe in god have a mental illness