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irish calm down...I'm not taking about the "race" generally, I'm talking about this race "in particular", I thought I made that clear but obviously not in your case.
My argument stands that in all probability you are fighting for one place and that isn't a race that comes under the filthy e/w race. I do concede that it is possible to back all the 33/1 shots in the market and put forward a round about argument why they might fill a place but that's all in the "you never know" category. What we do know is that one and maybe both of these horses are the best since SS, and with all things being equal will fill 2 of the first 3 spots. Foyles, I disagree with you, it is a two horse race, of course if a horse gets injured as in Douvan's case or falls down it changes but on all known form there isn't a case ad that is not a basis for calling it a good e/w race IMO. Like I said, there is a group of horses immediately behind the front two with better arguments even before you get to the rags. |
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irish,
What's your idea of the first 3? |
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Just for context, Greanateen was aimed at the Tingle Creek, where as Hitmans main target was the Haldon Gold Cup.
So it’s hard to state the Exeter and Sandown races as form between the two. Exeter was a prep race for Greanateen and the Tingle Creek was an after thought for Hitman. |
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There is market on Betfair exchange to bet without Shishkin and Energumene. 4/1 Nube isn’t that bad if you missed the boat on Shishy.
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Exeter was also a handicap so Greaneteen would have needed to run to a massive mark to give more than a stone to Hitman and Eldorado. It was surely a prep there but the Tingle Creek established him as a clear third best behind Shishkin and Energumene to me.
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FOYLESWAR06 Nov 21 14:34Joined: 09 Jan 11 | Topic/replies: 23,081 | Blogger: FOYLESWAR's blog
" ! also backed nube negra each way at 25s " Another good bet foyles ! Only 8 and a big shout for it last weekend |
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Duffy
Just read that sorry..... PTKO needs it all to fall her way and 25\1 e w value HURRY ! CPS cant back it too old , fragile and suffers sea sick SHISH. no value ENER. might not be there ,waiting game poss place @ evens + NN. E W VALUE without a doubt but ...missed 25\1 price Cant see a clearout unless ground changes |
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Another weak finish from the hitman, still got him down as not to be trusted.
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Most of Nicholls horses have been finishing weak so I wouldn’t include that in you’re findings buddy.
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Had it down long before the nicholls bad run, not my type of horse in a finish.
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Not worth the time is it
Might get a place if fallers (like 6) |
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PTKO has no matches on Champion Chase market as I type with 49/1 no takers. Back into 14/1 in mares on here so no need to be Sherlock to know where she’s going.
Looks like the field could be 8 or less looking at market trends. 3 top quality horses at the head of market so will be a cracker if they all turn up. |
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* in Champion Chase not the Mares
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We did so because we were aware of the significant failings of the investigation
1. one that was woefully inadequate, 2. lacked the necessary independence and 3. allowed outside interference. 4. significant inconsistencies in the evidence. 5. b h a enhanced the charges that were issued but no new evidence. 6. investigation into a serious data breach 7. PJA lost confidence in the Disciplinary Panel due to ...a long and striking track record of the Disciplinary Panel’s failure to ever criticise the BHA, its case management and its processes. |
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Willie Mullins has nailed his colours to Chacun Pour Soi’s mast ahead of Energumene in the Betway Queen Mother Champion Chase.
Despite the fact Energumene is trading at around half the odds of the 10-year-old, Mullins thinks the six-times Grade One winner is more than capable of claiming a first Festival win. |
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PMSL ...... And ptko still in it
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PTKO in foal ?
Anyone else hear that ? |
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We were a little bit disappointed with her in the Shloer Chase on her comeback run, but the good ground probably meant that it wasn’t enough of a stamina test for her. We tried her over a longer trip at Fairyhouse and that didn’t work out, so we’ve freshened her up and she’s in mighty form. She loves Cheltenham and we are keen to let her defend her crown in the Queen Mother Champion Chase.
NO THAT CANT BE RIGHT ?????? HIBORE KNOWS BEST ! |
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Ptko no chance- poor race last year. CPS no chance either doesn't get up hill. Jumped the last in front last tear and they all ran past him. He's not going to improve at his age - shishkin certainty.
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Using cheltenham history as a guide , ptko beats cps and shiskin gets up the hill. NN thereabouts. Willie doesnt know why cps doesnt deliver overseas. Poor race ? History may not agree.
Politologue, altior, sprinter, special tiara, Somersby even..... Showed history very important |
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rishone30 Nov 21 08:56Joined: 22 Sep 06 | Topic/replies: 47,894 | Blogger: irishone's blog
QUEEN MOTHER 2022 irishone 22 Apr 21 22:02 "only thing stopping her will be the going" |
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Henry not taking the other one
Shiskin overpriced Can't make one mistake let alone two at Cheltenham Willie wobbling on energumie Willie all over chacon (min comes to mind) Happy with PTKO tbh |
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Quite a bit of rain coming will help Energumene and Put the kettle on.
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Shishkin stays up he should win this
comfortably.You could throw a blanket over the 1st five home last year.The 5th, Sceau Royal was pretty unlucky in the run aswell.Could've been a mediocre race to me. |
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It's all about price and I can find enough excuses to be able to support CPS at 6's.
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that battle between shishkin and energumene could have left a mark on both we wont know till the qm despite what connections say about their wellbeing etc,may be they have had enough time and be tough enough to get over it but energumene went hard form the front and shishkin didnt go past him till close home and it could have took a lot more out of them . the altior /cyrname clash both were never really the same since just something to bear in mind if you think this is cut and dried.
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Altior was running over the wrong trip and he
won on his next start.He came 2nd in the next 2 which were his final races.The last of those his 18th Chse start @11 yrs of age. Cyrname was just overrated. They have no bearing on Shiskin in this year's Chmpn Chse. |
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you may be right ,all about opinions and price and imo those 2 had a tough race and i wouldnt want to be taking short prices about the 2, energumene might go elsewhere as said its all about opinions and i dont back at short prices anyway so the front 2 are not for me ,the prices say shishkin is the most likely winner but plenty of most likely winners are beat.
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^^ Your opinion is a genuine one in that Your thoughts may be justified and you don't have to pay to find out
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The idea about CPS not being able to travel may have been over played, he had a problem after Sandown and was visually too bad to be true that day and what got him beat last year wasn't that he couldn't travel over the Irish sea it was because the race was not run to suit, they never went quick and CPS was asked to pick up after the last which is contrary to what his strength is. CPS wants a race akin to what Allaho did in the Ryannair, he wins his races by setting a strong pace and breaking up the field he is not a turn of foot merchant.
Mullins team know that a strong pace set by Energumene will give them two bites of the cherry, firstly, Energumene out front setting a strong gallop gives him a fair chance but also serves to give CPS exactly what he needs to get his best chance of winning as he'll travel off of it comfortably and be able to keep it up right to the line, and if Shishkin is better so be it. 6/1 on the assumption that he will get that crucial end to end gallop is fair enough for me. |
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If the Mullins team run this tactically like you think Duffy they have no chance of winning. The only way shuskin gets beat is if it turns into a sprint from the back of 3rd last or the top of the hill... Going flat out from the start on soft ground will suit Shiskin to the ground and he will stay on passed Energumene up the hill.
With the risk of having egg on my face in 2 weeks time I think Chacon is well past his best. This myth that the ride cost him the race last year is nonsense. On his previous start before last years CC he was held up behind Notebook and Fakir and came between them coming to the last, his acceleration from the back of the last was something to behold. Whether it was travelling, the track or the hill he wasn't able to do that last year when ideally positioned the whole way. Brill at punch after and ran a shocker at Sandown. Wasn't great last time either when he beat nothing (time was a lot slower than the novice 2m chase the previous day). I'd be worried for Energumene if Willie genuinely thinks that chacun has a better chance of beating shiskin than Energumene had. Would give Nube Negra a decent chance (on v good ground) and PTKO a decent chance on soft |
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duffy you on a wind up ?
The horse is glass not steel Willies been going on about travel problems for two years Would not back him until the day More missed appearances than Prince Andrew |
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Dessie
Chacon stays all day as well I wouldnt be surprised if PTKO and Energumene went at it hammer and tongs and if Shiskin can handle it fair enough But the price is no value What we dont know about Chacun for me is weighed down by what we do know He's glass, hates travel, might not get there 6\1 on the day is enticing but 8s or 10s once the crew start spreading rumours will be worth an each way bet Unlikely in view of the owners habits |
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I couldn't have chacun at any price... place lay material in my view depending on the rest showing up. He isn't as good as he was last year and he simply won't come up the hill whether they go fast for slow. The last furlong in Cheltenham I steeper than anywhere else and he was looking for somewhere to lie down coming up it last year.
If Energumene goes off like the clappers he will be beaten by further than he was last time. His best hope is to stack them up and sprint for home after the 3rd last. Mare will stay well too and I see they are predicting soft now which rules Nube Negra out for me. What will Nicholls run here? |
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Energumene very very weak in the market now...last matched at6...nowt holding iy up...looks doomed
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If the Mullins team run this tactically like you think Duffy they have no chance of winning. The only way shiskin gets beat is if it turns into a sprint from the back of 3rd last or the top of the hill... Going flat out from the start on soft ground will suit Shiskin to the ground and he will stay on passed Energumene up the hill.
If Energumene was running in this without CPS I would agree with you and I said this immediately after the Ascot run as it would enable Energumene to perhaps capitalize on the moment or two that Shishkin takes to wind up in a similar fashion to what could have got Altior beat, but in Altior's time there was no quality able to carry it out but with CPS in the field they will play the percentages and set a strong pace as I think that will give both their horses a chance and I disagree that CPS could win in a sprint and I think that they think that too. irish, Yes we know he's fragile, but we are talking about how the race will be run on the assumption that he runs in it and you just said that 6's on the day is enticing, but he's 6/1 now NRNB, so the travel issue is moot and if he gets there may well be shorter  |
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Yes I am struggling to get on with anything duffy at the moment.
Do you get your money back straightaway if its a non runner with that NRNB duffy ? Or do you have to wait until the race goes off ? I can see you dont listen to Willie. Shiskin made two mistakes and beat energumie fair and square. Willie took the beating and doesnt appear to have anything but CPS on his mind. He will aim it at Shiskins weakness and hopes a mistake occurs. Not many win after one mistake at Cheltenham let alone two |
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Not looking good re Energumene. Big drifter - will we poss get an announcement from WPM in coming days? Something definitely on the go here. Watch this space!!!!
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Dessie
What will Nicholls run here? Frodo ????? Hope he dont take it out the ultima , some great weights in that at present ! |
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Follow up to my post yesterday. Energumene now out to 8 on betfair. CPS now well shorter than him. All not well with Energ????* Willie mullins announcement shortly????
Certainly not looking good. |