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have cashed out half of my nube negra bets and backed HITMAN each way at 25/1 and will continue backing at 25/1 ,only a 5 yo and an excellent 2nd to greanateen in the tingle creek woulda been much closer but for a bad mistake 2 out ,open to any amount of improvement and a normally good jumper the sandown railway fences come up quick and for one so inexp he was fluent at all bar the 2nd last . he will have learnt form that .
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Good luck with that one foyles !
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Stop the contest. Shishkin different class in this division.
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Shishkin is not that good ? Quote from the OP.
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shiskin into 5\4 !...... unbelievable !
three months out and no value whatsoever pinged a few granted , but twisted in the air at the last and previously,worst still climbed a couple , all this on a right handed flat track ? over reaction considering you can get better value at 25\1 e w a previous winner not to mention willies one or the fact hendo has a great record not getting then right for the festival. 5\4 is a massive over reaction and very poor value at this stage |
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Comedy classic that keeps giving and giving
I better copy it somewhere safe in case this thread gets pulled  irishone 22 Apr 21 22:02 Joined: 22 Sep 06 | Topic/replies: 47,471 | Blogger: irishone's blog Having posted last years winner up months before I feel obliged to say that Put the Kettle on is stonking value at 10\1 on here or with multiple outlets. She wont be 10\1 on the day you can lay her off before the day and get yourself a freebet. Its a disrespectful price based upon the entry of Shiskin into the race. Shiskin is not that good. PTKO will love Sandown this weekend, only thing stopping her will be the going. Henderson will know the score once Altior has competed against her. Nickys record of getting horses fit and well to the festival has taken a bit of a battering in the last couple of years. This is a free bet , get on now and after if things dont work out at Sandown, 10\1 is a joke , its disrespectful to the mare and over hypes Shiskin. |
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Put the Kettle entered over 2miles 5f at Fairyhouse on Saturday. Elimay also entered in which could be a dress rehearsal of the mares Chase.
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No value shishkin .....
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yeh right
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Even bigger now PTKO .....more on E W
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NHC ?
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Sorry ,facetious and not a novice .
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You mean what selling chases are running at Plumpton or Fontwell. If mine I’d retire to save anymore embarrassment to the horse and Irishone.
Funniest Cheltenham post of all time. Hope no one was stupid enough to follow his advice. |
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PTKO 38\1 on here this morning
This situation has a bit of deja vous about it Each to his own ! |
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Next lay is 94/1 which tells you more.
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Clarence House tomorrow and will have a huge bearing on the QM. It will be interesting if First Flow tries to repeat last seasons tactics by taking on the front running Energumene and putting him under pressure from the flag. Maybe Townsend will drop back but that is a risk for all habitual front runners. Shishkin will sit 3rd and try to pounce late on. No bet race for me but think Shishkin will win due to the setup of the race.
The interesting bet may be Energumene for Ryanair NRNB. I’d guess he may go there if beaten Saturday and would be less than 4/1 if turned up there ? |
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PTKO out to 80’s on here for Champion now. Looks like Mares Chase or maybe handicap ?
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Not bad performance from a horse that’s “Not very good” eh Irishone
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The only way Shiskin gets beat in the CC is todays race at Ascot took a lot out of him.
Surely 53 days will be a long enough recovery time? |
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Energumene is 7/2 for The Ryanair (with a run), but 16 here. A trader's paradise knowing Mr Mullins' psyche.
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I agree with EB1 how much did it take out of the horse
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Just a brilliant race and fantastic performance from both horses.
Shishkin should be more suited to Cheltenham I would think. Can't see why Mullins would go for the Ryansir after that. |
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Energumene had the harder race having tried to make all and emptied from the last. On quicker ground he might have got away from Shishkin but I can't see the result being reversed if they meet again.
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Why would they want to take on their own horse Allaho in the Ryanair?
I reckon his best chance would be to set a much steadier pace in the CC if he could get away with it although that in itself would be contrary to what CPS wants, and try and catch out Shishkin in that period when he's finding his stride before he stays on strongly, Shishkin is a lot like Altior in that respect but Altior never had the opposition to capitalize on it apart from Douvan who would have won but for falling that day  and it's that part of his run style they should look at exploiting as a strong test will just play into Shishkins hands......tough task thoughI thought they half tried it yesterday, it looked as if Townend steadied it a bit at one point. |
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We know PTKO can find a stone from somewhere, but Willie has Chacon in the wings as well. I think Energumene is a right handed horse and emptied out last hundred yards. If the horse hadn't set the pace ? Something else will at Cheltenham (probably PTKO) but Shiskin finally showed his potential over fences yesterday , but jumped dodgy and survived the bumping and looks a shoe in if poison Nicky gets him there. All of which asks is 4\6 value ? , at this stage I think it is but couldnt back it because like some on here, dont believe in Henderson and didn't like the way shiskin won.
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Townend did no wrong. I'd have accepted the outcome if De Boinville gave up after the peck and several lengths down on Energumene going to the last; the way Shishkin managed to take-off after the last was phenomenal.
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Don't think he "took off" as such, he stayed on well and ground down the 2nd.
I don't think Energumene will reverse it either but they'll certainly have to try, the picture is clearer for the Mullins camp after Saturday and I'm sure they will come up with some sort of plan to have a go with. |
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Probably just get him fit
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You don't think he was fit on Saturday?
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think hitman is value here at 33/1 each way with billies ,possible he could go elsewhere but too big and worth the chance imo ,that was a good run in the tingle creek and missing the clarence house wont have harmed him while the winner and 2nd had tough races and we dont know how much it will take out of them . only a 6yo and room for lots more improvement and is a decent jumper .
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If only this race was at Kempton then Energumene would be fav, and probably be triumphant too; Cheltenham, Shishkin the victor again, all things being equal.
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Agree with foyles
Fantastic each way value in this market now |
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captain guinness could be worth a few quid at 50 on here ,got a good bit to find with energumene on some of last seasons form but traded low in the closing stages of the tingle creek and wernt beaten that far into 3rd with nube negra behind as said below we dont know how the clarence house 1st 2 will react to that hard race and capt guiness is a possible for the dublin chase and that will tell us more lightly raced and room for improvement 50 looks far too big atm.
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Can only see the race concerning the big two and Nuba Negra ....I recall Badsworth Boy taking on only 4 others....would not be surprised if this cuts up similar....with Aintree and the Ryanair being more attractive to some.
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could be right 626 and by the odds you should be but plenty of so called good things have been turned over at the festival .
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I can't see past Greanateen and Eldorado Allen if there is a market without the other two. Greanateen is improving and beat Hitman 5 lengths. EA beat Hitman a length at Exeter and didn't get the trip against Mister Fisher imo. Did I not read that Nube Negra was injured?
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Not sure about this being a good e/w race with a view to finding an outsider, you're more than likely fighting over one place and have Greaneteen CPS, Nube Negra all after that spot too.
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Also, this hard race business which seems to have become a "thing" ever since the Cyrname v Altior clash which saw that race cited as the reason for their substandard runs after, but isn't it simply more likely that Altior was on the downgrade and Cyrname was over rated?
These are supremely talented athletes with the best of the best when it comes to training establishments, if one hard race is enough to break them then how about the lowlier horses having hard races every day of the week. Over the years we've seen many great clashes which did not result in broken horses. Fook me, Walsh went one step further on the horses mouth podcast when he said that Energumene might not come back because he would have realized that he had been beat and was half suggesting that that in itself might be enough to send the horse to the psychiatrists couch  |
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no denying the front 2 look ahead of the field on ratings and form and plenty could be frightened off and go elsewhere butlets not forget chacan pour sour defi du seul and douvan all looked head and shoulders above the opposition in recent years and all started odds on and were beaten ," excuses were made after and may have been valid but history shows they were turned over on the day it mattered most.
shish and energ may fight out the finish the betting tells us that but in my eyes far from a 2 horse race and if you dont buy a ticket you wont win the raffle .hope its a decent sized field but even if its a handfull the ante post prices at this time could be value each way you could have 3 places now in what turns out a a 5 or 6 runner field and anything can happen in the weeks up to the race. |
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duffy
duffy26 Jan 22 05:43 Not sure about this being a good e/w race Check the results pal FFS |