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"Thistlecrack trebled PP's odds, makes no sense"
Thistlecrack is exposed, and he put in his best jumping shoes at Kempton yesterday. But the Cheltenham hill will catch him out if he could not at Kempton. PP beat a non-stayer in Monalee in the RSA, I firmly believe. |
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Ok budd go ahead ...who is the best in ireland ?
Impossible ....dont write off monalee , serious horse on his day |
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I think Monalee ran in the wrong race last Cheltenham ie RSA instead of JLT - he might have beaten Shattered Love, if so.
What's happened to Death Duty? He's not been seen since Dec 2017 after he fell behind Footpad. |
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Irishone
If I drove from Galway to Roscommon would I pass that stage of bobbyjo |
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Irishone
If I drove from Galway to Roscommon would I pass that stage of bobbyjo |
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Statue not stage
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Agee with impossible about Monalee running in the wrong race at the festival last season however that’s not to take anything away from Percy,hopefully we will see him in the galmoy hurdle again.
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Foxy it depends if you had a mount bellew yer !
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Wtf does that mean
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The rest of the RSA field have done little to advertise the form although PP did win very easily.
Apart form one of the beaten horses finishing second in the Ladbroke and winning the Welsh Grand National. |
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Yes you would foxy , in mountbellew
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Irishone
I think Road to Respect will prove to be the best of the Irish this season. |
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thought so irishone all though could not remember the name of the village i planned to stop and have a proper look on the way back but ended up coming back another way,amazing a little place like that has a statue of a grand national winner,i saw on the other thread you like ascot near perth its probably the only course outside the british ilses i have been to and liked,you also mentioned ballinrobe not been yet but will be going there in august.
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Yes budd good shout
I thought road to riches underachieved though my only worry Ballinrobe is stunning, you need the weather though mate, sunset over the mountains is unreal |
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Foxy the nearest pub has a plaque on it ,yhsts the pub carberry road bobbyjoe into
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looks like last seasons staying novices were /are a good bunch ...............
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Kemboy won with any amount in hand. That just makes him look very good.
I backed him in the JLT last year when I think a bad mistake scuppered his chances. If I remember he was a late gamble. Had he been ridden as today it might have been a different story. It looks as if he has loads of pace and he was still running away at the end of today's race. If his jumping holds up then he is going to be a big threat to the more thorough staying types. |
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The best 3 mile performance of the season, so far. Would have hacked up in the Hennessy.
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Kemboy looked impressive winning the Savills Chase, and the bookies have cut his price into 8/1 from 40/1 - an over-reaction. no doubt; beat Monalee a non-stayer by 7.5l with Road To Respect who'd a troubled passage and nearly came down twp fences out just behind. The rest can be discounted for the Gold Cup unless sprouts two wings come next March at Cheltenham.
The unlucky horse was Road To Respect who'd have been a lot closer with a trouble-free run, I believe. |
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The year of the 6/7yo chasers. Kemboy, Elegant Escape, Clan des Obeaux, Ramses de Teillez, Dingo Dollar and others.
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Monalee a non stayer .......?
Is that why he was in the front two from start to finish ? I have a feeling impossible , and i may be wrong about this .... That HDB knows a bit more about horses than you . Correct me if im wrong but how many do you do each day ? |
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Well I aint changed my mind re RTR,often they get short of room round the inside,a cleaer run and without the bad stumble he would have been a lot closer,and I think he could well be a big threat in the Gold Cup.
Have to say though,the winner was impressive,but will he do that at Cheltenham? Not for me at the price he is now. Monalee stays 3m ok,and that's another boost for the RSA form,so Irishone you should be pretty happy with that re PP. |
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RTR ran a very good race today, he made up a lot of ground after he was hampered, however he'd be a Ryanair horse for me, he didn't get home in the GC last year after traveling well throughout, he got in tight to the final two which didn't help last year also, which didn't help.
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Yeh I can see your point Re Ryanair,but I do feel he will be given another go with an extra year behind him,he could well be a tad stronger this season.
Personally think if NR is in the same form on the day as he was this year,he wins again. He got horses at it earlier than they would have wanted,but if he aint then horses like RTR could take advantage. |
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It is not uncommon to have differing opinions on horses, and it's healthy too. Nevertheless, I'll stick to mine regarding Monalee; his trainer might think differently. Then again the top flat trainer a Mr Aiden O'Brien did admit he got Saxon Warrior wrong running him in The Derby.
Monalee is no Grade 1 3 miler in Ireland or here. But the unlucky horse was Road To Respect who managed to get within 1/2l of Monalee despite many lengths behind after the stumble two fences out; Monalee just plodded on at the same pace. |
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david mullins said " we went very very slow and even when we took it up we still went slow ,every thing went to plan really and we just had to let him go .nothing took me on ,he jumped really well and ther is plenty to improve on he could be a proper horse
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of kemboy ^^
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Perhaps thats the difference between ejits who know feck all impossible and people in the game who can admit their mistakes.
Monalee has earnt plenty from grade one chases in uk and ireland as well as grade 1 hurdles, winning over 220000 What planet are you on ? |
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Is that how you respond whenever someone has a differing opinion to you ie throw the baby out with the bathwater?
Monalee had only won 1 Gde 3 hurdle race. And once he'd been beaten by Penhill over 3m I'd always laid him including the RSA - I backed him for the JLT - and had been doing so ever since including today. The horse clearly is no Gde 1 3 miler unless it's a walkover. You may choose not to reply. However, if you do, and not reply in a civil manner I'll put you on 'ignore' as your opinions and behaviour are not appreciated by me as they do not reflect the purpose of what a forum is for. |
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It's not called ignore it's called BLOCK
....but that's a factual statement the likes of which you keep ignoring ! |
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Have to disagree about Native River, budd. I was amazed to see him shorten for the Gold Cup after a display that could charitably be called laboured.
Always something of a showboat, he's getting slower with age. While Kempton was never likely to be ideal, he was struggling to go the pace even going to the first and was never on the bridle. No-one can take away a Gold Cup - won in fantastic fashion - but, while accepting it was a great race, it may still have been a substandard one. The heavy ground allowed Native River his one chance of a Gold Cup and he took it brilliantly but such conditions are most unlikely to recur. With Clan Des Obeaux and Kemboy both hugely impressive, there's a real chance that a new era is beckoning and Native River will struggle to compete against what seem to be much classier animals. And we still have Percy to stake a claim as well. |
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Much classier animals ? Clan Des Obeaux has been beaten in his last 4 races by horses including Native River and Thistlecrack ! It is far too soon to think he’s superior. He seemed suited by Kempton’s ground and track and probably improved 5lb -7lb on his Haydock 4th. Thistlecrack probably ran his race again and Native as expected found things happening much too quickly and ran a good stone under his rating.
The Gold Cup is a totally different test. Which on all evidence we have Native River is best equipped as he won last year and ran on strongly when totally outpaced on Weds. Clan will need to run uphill for another 60 secs after the line at Kempton to put it into perspective. I don’t really have a handle on Kemboy but he looks the best of the Irish by a nose from Road to Respect. Presenting Percy needs to strut his stuff before we can make a judgement but could be better than both of them. |
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Spot on hibore.
Amazing how many people look at winter racing and take what they learn and apply it to spring racing. Ranks alongside taking form from a flat galloping track onto an undulating roller coaster like cheltenham |
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Cyclops
Yes its possible we have a new pecking order so to speak,but 2 runs by CDO and Kemboy aint enough for me to actually think that. Yes history tells us to take notice of the KG and Lexus winners when looking at the Gold Cup,but also horses that run some of their best races at Cheltenham like NR who is still plenty young enough. I know a lot subscribe to the fact the ground was in his favour and maybe not others(MB in particular)and no argument from me there,but I genuinely feel looking at his form that he would still have won on better ground.As I have said before I don't think he is ground dependant as much as people make out.He has some nice form on decent ground. Just think hes a proper stayer with a touch of class and speed that enables him to dictate races at the right distances on the right course. 3 and a quarter miles at Cheltenham is perfect for him to do just that. Haydock and Kempton over 3m are not. |
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its his action budd , it shows you what a class horse he is winning on good and soft when he pounds the turf in front of him
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Neither CDO or Kemboy give me the feel that they'll be winning a GC.
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I think on the performances of Kemboy and CDO I'd side with the run of CDO in the King George as the more progressive and reliable because Thistlecrack (a good yardstick) ran above his chasing form jumping the best he'd in the past. Also, the run of anther solid yardstick in Native River gave further credence to the merit of CDO's performance.
I think Kemboy could still feature prominently in the Gold Cup, but the muddling pace of the Savill Chase and the troubled run of Road To Respect made me question his superiority somewhat; 8/1 is just too skinny. |
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obviously a few good stayers about now monalee, delta work, road to riches, percy , blow by blow ….. but theres only one that loves cheltenham
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*respect obviously ….
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Imagine how many replies this thread would get if the fooker actually ran in a race.
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