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Presenting Percy (PP) and Laurina (L) both ought to get a room together; more chances of getting a sibling from them than seeing them on a racecourse at the moment. And I know PP is a gelding; immaculate conception!
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shockster • November 7, 2018 4:15 PM GMT
Does anyone know where/when Percy is going to start this season? irishone • November 8, 2018 12:22 AM GMT 3 mile hurdle Late jan early feb Gowran |
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Percy taking similar route as last year
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Irish gold cup after gowran hurdle
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didnt run in the irish gold cup last year he raced against our duke in the red mills at gowran.
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Yes mate and it was a grade two in the guise of a grade one ,two and half in hvy at gowran is three at leppardstown.... So its a similar prep not a
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Soz ...on train ..... Realise its not exactly the same
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Really ? The Lord Lucan of racing misses every possible opportunity for the last 16 weeks and then runs twice in 2 weeks ?
My reading of the situation is similar to Waiting Patiently where the trainer is too scared to run in case the bubble bursts. WP could be the real deal as shown true Graded form but PP has it all to prove. |
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PP beat a non-stayer in Monalee, and also started at 5/2 for the RSA; receiving 7lbs and beaten by Our Duke who was an out-and-out stayer over 20f; beaten by Jury Duty. His present price of 9/2 is outrageously short with no gain if winning his 1st outing, but implode if not. Yet, a racing journo still reckoned he could be value - is he for real?
I think PP is a fake fav, all things considered. |
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dont wont to be picky hibore but there is 23 days between the two races not two weeks,
is elegant escape a non stayer ? |
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Isn't the Galmoy Hurdle on the 24th January and Irish Gold Cup on the 3rd Feb ?
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thats correct but i was referring to the galmoy and the red mills crossed wires somewhere.
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irishone
14 Jan 19 10:16 Joined: 22 Sep 06 Irish gold cup after gowran hurdle Irish is the man in the know apparently.... |
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Don’t want to be picky hibore but that would be 10 days not two weeks
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That is being very picky.
Really ? The Lord Lucan of racing misses every possible opportunity for the last 16 weeks and then runs twice in 2 weeks ? |
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The forecast for Gowran over the next 9 days doesn’t show much rain
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Just checked the 14 day forecast for Ireland and as you say, not much rain. So Why did Gary Moore just say they are expecting 50mm?
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Must admit sageform I thought the same perhaps he has a forecast on the days immediately prior to the fixture ,but as far as Gowran is concerned hardly any rain ,unthinkable for that fixture not to be run on at least soft ground.
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Sageform coc lorcan wear says he is expecting 40/50 mils rain over the next ten days
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Cant predict irish weather lads
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whats he got to prpve. Hes a dual cheltenham winner Fact is If he was at willies or gordons he would be much shorter If he was at hendos hed be the second coming You were given good info last november lads and mocked it |
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Irish, he’s still the same bonkers 6/1 as he was when you put the thread up. If he misses the Hurdle and Irish Gold Cup he’ll probably drift.
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over 5 g laid off on here at under 5's hibore
 wont miss gowran hurdle |
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over 5 g laid off on here at under 5's hibore
wont miss gowran hurdle |
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Gowran would be a great indicator if the likes of any from willies stable like Bachasson ,Bapaume , Bleu Berry, Coquin Mans , Killultagh Vic , Limini or Shaneshill fulfil their engagements.
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PP: Only Irish money, I believe. No sane person would back him at 9/2 or 5/1 (here); beaten nothing of note eg Monalee (33/1, 46 here); beaten by Our Duke receiving 7lbs; fake fav of the highest order. I only backed him because I knew Monalee (10/3) was a not stayer; 5/2 in a 10-runner race, was that a good thing especially the 2nd fav (a not stayer) was 10/3?
I'd not back PP with free money or a free bet. |
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Road To Respect seems the more sensible bet at this stage around 12s
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Monalee won over 2m 5f in hvy at clonmel .....
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Hasnt the non staying monalee beaten that we lsh national winner elegant escape ?
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A horse could beat any other horse if the horse it beat made a bad mistake at the crucial moment eg Might Bite in the Feltham.
Monalee does not stay a competitive Gd 1 chase in any country over 24f let alone 26.25f with an uphill finished; the Clonmel race was a Gd 3 hurdle. Let me reiterate: Monalee does not stay a truly run Gd 1 3m chase let alone 3m 2.25f; he ought to have run in the JLT last season. |
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Perhaps you could be kind enough
To explain Exactly what barry ,his owner, and henry de bromhead Have missed then Because for some reason they keep entering monalee In grade one staying chases ? Obviously you have a briliant in depth knowledge of the sport and this horse in particular  |
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18 entered for thursdays galmoy hurdle including presenting percy
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Monalee has had 7 races since going chasing.
4 of those over 3m, 3 over around 2 and a halfm. He has won 2 out of those 7,both around 2 and a half. Reading the form book suggests to me that Monalee could well be one that can stay 3m but is more comfortable at 2 and a halfm and that the lesser distance gives him more chance of winning. Connections may well be seeing if they have a potential Gold Cup horse....fair enough,but I think they will end up with a Ryanair horse. Ceratinly think the formbook shows enough for Impossibles comments not to be laughed at!!! |
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The form book shows that Monalee's best performance over hurdles came over 3 miles in the Albert Bartlett where he was 2nd to Penhill and ran to a mark of 153, his highest over hurdles.
His best performances over fences have been in the RSA when he was 2nd to PP and again when 2nd to Kenboy in the Lexus. Again,both of these came over 3 miles and he ran to a rating of 163 both times, his highest over fences. How anyone can say he doesn't stay 3 miles is bizarre to say the least. He may have a better chance of winning a Ryanair but that's purely because the opposition won't be as strong, and has nothing whatsoever to do with him not staying 3 miles. |
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Well its still fairly early days for his optimum distance to be found out for sure.
Yes his ratings I get, but a horse can get a higher rating running against better rated horses,but that don't mean that's his optimum distance. We can read formbooks different to how others read them. My feeling going forward is that Monalee will have more success running over his most comfortable distance,that distance where he produces his best and gives him his best chance of winning the best races at that distance. I happen to think that will be around the 2 and a half m distance. Hope I am wrong though, the more Gold Cup types the better imo. |