Nonsense?

He’s not mixing prep hurdles and Chases according to Irish’s contact. He having a prep Hurdle and then Gold Cup.
If he wins a prep Hurdle (let’s say early Feb) and wins easily he’s still at least 12lbs wrong at least with the principles. You will also have the winners of this seasons Betfair Chase, King George, Hennessy, Cotswold, Denman who could be rated higher than him. I don’t think many people will make him a single figure betting proposition if that was the case with no chase run in 12 months.

He’s not a returning Gold Cup winner who has been there and done it and just needs to get to the race fresh. This is a second season chaser who is favourite for the Gold Cup needs to improve a stone (which he can) and needs to have a correct preparation.

That’s my thoughts anyway.

He will be running in chases over the winter with possibly a hurdle race in between. You are right none of them novices are great until proven

I'm the same Foxy tbh the price is a disgrace.

PP is a Cheltenham Festival staple, and will only drift from 6/1 if he has a stinker or two this season, while others progress upwards.
Even if that happened pre-xmas, if the bookies get a sniff of him showing a return to form in. AJan/Feb prep race he will be back down at 6/1 or lower, given the jockeys ability, and the trainers ability to prepare one to win a big pot/punt.

If you do a horse in the rsa and it pi55es in and before the jockey gets back to the winners enclosure he watches the replay on the big screen, says jees ten lengths , good job it werent good we would have won a furlong..... Think you can forgive him for any misjudgement in his moment of victory customcut!

Sory lads  but any horse that wins at cheltenham is great for me , so if the
Iikes of lets dance, mall dini, bless the wings dont rate as great horses i understand.
But p p has also done battle with jury duty, penhill and our duke , horses which i also value as great , so i think he is in the premier league, not only that he is playing at home , two out of two aint a bad record at cheltenham .

Ha Ha, I think we have differing ideas on what great means.

Lol buddeliea ..... Lets start with Britain

PP to me looks like a player this year but looking and proving are two different things and his price is terrible for what he has achieved.

His RSA win was visually very impressive. However, not sure what he beat.  Monalee pulled too hard and the UK challenge wasn't top class. That said he hammered them and we know he is a Cheltenham horse. 

The rest of his chase form though is not at the required level.  The only time he has faced a proper Grade 1 chaser, he was beat in receipt of 7lb by Our Duke.  Some will say it was a prep over an inadequate trip, but the same could be said about Our Duke and the fact that they were 16L clear of the 3rd suggests they were pretty wound up and PP was backed into Evens Fav.

So, in my opinion he could certainly be crowned Champion in March but the price 6/1 is too short for me until he proves it on the track.

3 mile hurdle
Late jan early feb
Gowran

Why not ?

I think Irishone has had his fishing rod out.

He has the fishing rod out for that also Hibore,hasn't a clue when he's out...

You can lay 40 off at 5.9   today on here ,7\2 in places . Havent seen anyone from stable for over a month now, pp summered well looked after himself, MD was big.

Davy - “Looks like the John Durkin but wouldn’t be 100% sure” next up for PP, but Pat Kelly will decide and “do the right thing”

Pp not fit

Now in at leopardstown end of month

I'm pretty sure there won't be a nob show, he's a gelding

At best priced 5/1 bookmakers must be intent on taking zero bets.

I really like the horse but it is hard to argue that he has been much value from the moment he crossed the line in the RSA.

He is a relatively short priced favourite almost by default and I don't think missing engagements is a great sign, particularly as I have never viewed him as a soft ground horse.