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Good ride from Colliver. If he'd done something similar last year I think he'd have won. Missed opportunity.
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PP makes a pleasing winning reappearance
I note Mullins hoping to have Penhill out soon and to have a full season  |
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Betting suspended ? Any idea why ?
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think its an entrie stage
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40 entered included
CHAMP SAMCRO BENES DES DIEUX CITY ISLAND  |
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It wouldn’t be the biggest surprise if at least one of champ, minella indo or city island end up here. What do they do if champ makes a bad mistake nto and if minella Indo has a mishap . Time is running out to come back. I have been nibbling away .... don’t feel good about it as I would much prefer them to flourish in the new discipline but I guess business is business.
The inclusion is Summerville and bright forecast has already changed the complexion of the race to some extent. One or more of these would shake it up a little more. I distinctly remember CI first target being touted as this race (many many months ago) and then I think they obviously had a rethink but am sure this would be his target if they believe he is not quite ready for a festival chase. |
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I agree with both SB and MI, I just think that SB would already be far shorter on the exchanges right now if there was a strong thinking from the stable toward the stayers.
MI would be fascinating, he snapped the theory that the AB is wa horse breaker that is won by a grizzled, hardy horse with a number of runs already under his belt. He won it on his 3rd start, raced up with the pace and was still plenty keen enough very late into the race, he then came out and backed it up at the Punchestown festival no less. Things obviously haven't panned out how they would have liked so far this season and would have surely have wanted to get some more experience into him over fences by now, however, they could have their cake and eat it here as if they drew stumps now over fences they could go back to that discipline next season as a novice. |
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Noticed Benie and PPERCY
entered in the Galmoy |
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Normal prep for Percy
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champ cut by the firms for this , the logic being if he fails to impress with his jumping next time, this would be the obvious target .
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City island aiming for this now
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pp now going for the Irish Cup
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City island may need more than smaller obstacles to win again!
It’s not even travelling that strongly. |
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I do not think jumping is the issue with Champ - he's just a bit wayward, and needs a quicker pace and constant cajoling to keep him interested. I'd experiment with a change of jockey, if he was mine.
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So impossible what race will Champ run in if he jumps badly nto.
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I couldn't have Champ after the last run, he is quirky and needs his mind making up for him at every fence for sure, a bigger problem though is that the jock isn't always going to see the stride and is going to have to let the horse get in tighter and pop the fence himself at times, the fence where he came down was one such occasion, firstly the horse flashed his tail on approach to the fence which was the first bad sign and then with nothing coming from above as the jock was letting him pop it himself the horse basically ignored the fence completely and was lucky to come out in one piece.
Can't back the horse. |
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I do not think Champ will revert back to hurdles for good - he'd even be more wayward eg tearaway at the front like last season. His future is the Gold Cup, not Stayers.
Should he jump poorly at Cheltenham (RSA) maybe more schooling, and possibly a run over hurdles prior 2021 eg Aintree. I firmly believe his ultimate race is the Gold Cup. He's not in the same position as Buveur D'Air who was not good enough to win the JLT (beaten by Yorkhill), and lacking stamina for the Gold Cup trip. If Champ was within 2 lengths adrift, but still in contention coming to the last fence eg had been jumping adequately prior I think he'd have an excellent chance of winning The RSA; a change of jockey could bring upon a more mature showing from Champ given the inadequacy of his pilot on his last 2 running eg trying to swerve the last fence (at Newbury), and losing concentration (at Cheltenham). |
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You know as soon as I asked the question I regretted it. As you were everyone.
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Champ reminds me of the same connections horse Kid Cassidy (R.i.p).
Rarely a race goes by without something going wrong. Fruit loop |
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I see Segal has put up Somerville Boy and Apples Jade.
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Summerville boy has the same sire to stablemate Black ops so could well improve for the step up in trip.
Apples Jade may run to her best on the new course, which is more of a galloping track. She hates the old course though so would be a waste of time entering the champion hurdle or mares in my opinion. |
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She did win the mares a tremendous race that season but yes I agree the new course will suit her much more.
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Yeah she did indeed win the mares in 2017 as you rightly say, but I don’t believe she ran up to her mark that day. 4th place was far to close.
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BDD most impressive!!!
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Ignoring for a minute the wants and aspirations of connections and racing fans. There will be huge scrutiny on what happens next and the future of the Mares programme. If BDD and Honeysuckle take each other on the whole programme gets an enormous boost. If H goes CH and BDD goes stayers what a monumental shot across the boughs (or however it’s spelt).
You’d imagine a 5 th day could well have a 3rd mares only race. There will be a lot of nervous people with everything crossed over the next few weeks |
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Cant believe Benny matched as low as 4-1
for the stayers |
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What a farce it would be if you had BDD and Honeysuckle running in the Mares and potentially making the Mares a stronger race than the CH.
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Trainer says he will "seriously" consider the
STAYERS obviously DEPENDENT ON THE GROUND |
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If BDD ran in the Stayers you wouldn't see 4/1 on the day I reckon.
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Its 5-2 nrnb
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She's another Annie Power, probably wouldn't be out of place in a CH.
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Only assignment for Champ at Cheltenham is The RSA.
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Correctio: Champ is still in The Stayers
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You are a racist of that no doubt
A liar as well (FOUND you out in the Arc) Now you appear to be an idiot as well |
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Class act PP, and SBoy earned his place in the stayers after that I would think. .
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Not sure after that
Isn't the same as last year Race was a false pace Second and third were close Benny messing with pace would be interesting |
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and she'd be getting 7lbs.
She'd be well in on the figures taking that into account |
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BDD would be serious competition for PP and certainly the best horse that PP has faced relative to retained ability over the trip and discipline.
If Honeysuckle is less than impressive in the Irish Champion Hurdle and sticks to the Mares then Mullins will run in the Stayers because the whole point of the Mares race is that it was a perceived penalty kick, if it is actually going to provide a horse of high quality then they had just as well run in the better race. BDD would go off a very strong 2nd fav for the race should she run and would have every chance of winning IMO. |
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When interviewed after the Galmoy, it was put to him the comparison with Annie Power, he half muttered under his breath that he thought BDD was better, it almost came across a private thought that he accidentally let slip out.
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