`they` as in jockeys and trainers. If both had known Outlander was better, Ruby would've been on it...

Jollyallan is the only danger to Lami Serge, hope you took the 25s, if not, still 20s until he dispatches them tomorrow.

There is? Well alvisio ville, douvan and the rest of the no hopers would be better off running there.

I'm not really expecting todays Jollyallan/Bristol de Mai race to shake the market up too much.  Bristol not entered in the Supreme, and I just cannot see Peace and Co running in it, no matter what happens today.

It's far from a two horse race, but I'd be very surprised if Douvan or L'Ami Serge didn't win, but both are not at prices that interest me.

Alvisio Ville looks to have a huge amount of potential, but his price is pretty laughable imo.  He's finished 3rd in a bumper and then won a maiden hurdle - albeit impressively.  Silver Concorde is twice the price, yet has won a Champion Bumper and second in the Punchestown equivalent, so if I was having a bet, at the prices, he would be the one.

There is about as much chance Peace and Co runs in the Supreme as there is Black Herculese, both are entered, neither will run. You don't move the short priced favourite for the Triumph into what halving his chance by being 2nd fav in Supreme. It failed the time Henderson did it before with Binocular.

I always find it odd when threads go wildly off on pure speculation. Surely the horses who are 99% going for the race should be the focus of the discussion.

Just as a general point not specific to this thread, but I find a huge flaw of racing discussion on forums where what you've bet on is more important than giving an honest opinion. So many threads are xyz should run here (because this is the race I've backed him for). Vautour being the biggest example recently.

Personally don't think talk should be reserved for definite runners,especially as we aint got many!!
Nearer the day when we have more idea-fair enough,but not at this stage imo.
I find it interesting and fun sunmmising connections options,and its possible you can find nice prices looking at that sort of angle.

Wonder if Morning Run will be sent here instead of the mares race. Surely get a decent allowance. Suppose it might depend on her performance today but shes only against the same horses again as per last time which is so often the case in Ireland zzz

She'll not be going back in trip, she'll be going up in trip for the Mares Hurdle. She is better on good ground and that was decent performance today given the ground and long time since previous run.

By Kings Theatre, will get the trip fine. Defo won't be turning up in the Supreme anyway.

interesting cv

When's fairyhouse?

Shame she won't be going to Cheltenham.

The novice hurdlers are still unclear with little over 5 weeks to go. We should hopefully see them settle down a bit over the next fortnight with trainers, mainly Mullins, firming up his plans.

One thing I noticed on here is Nichols Canyon price is 34, seems way too big to be true. Wonder are they targeting the County Hurdle with him? Might mean Shaneshill runs in the Supreme. Also another interesting development is Jollyallan now goes for the Supreme as stated by Fry after today's race ... not sure does that have any implications for Alvisio Ville's target? Maybe he might go for the Neptune and Free Expression in the Albert Bartlett.

I don't know where you'd start with Gigginstown's either ... Identity Thief, Tell Us More, Outlander and McKinley ... is No More Heroes in the Neptune picture too?

No sign of Max Dynamite either .... is he being saved for a handicap too?

It's a lot of guesswork !!

Can't see the Royal Bond winner running in anything other than the supreme,despite the circumstances of what happened in the race. Nice mark for county and maybe tempting but the likelier softer ground on day one and 10yrs on from Arcalis winning for GW could prob be deciding factor. Can't see any prob JP running two in the Supreme. The whole enigma revolves around the Gigginstown runners. For me O and TUM run in Neptune, NMH in A Barlett and McK and IT in the Supreme. The lileliest reversal would be IT and TUM switching but noone knows. The Deloitte will clear the waters.

One thing I noticed on here is Nichols Canyon price is 34

Was just about to post the same thing SYT.  Out to 65 on here now, with nothing waiting to back, so has to be a non runner.

From a pocket perspective, I hope that doesn't put Shaneshill in the Supreme - got him to win any race, but also in a tasty looking treble but in the Neptune.  Might have a little bit on the 19.5 on here for the Supreme as a saver, as he looks the one out of all of Mullins runners who is most likely to be shuffled about.

Shaneshill will surely run in one of the 2mile hurdles at Punchestown or Naas later this month. Likely the latter as it's a Grade 2.

I hope so CV, the champion bumper form has worked out really well the last few years, i would like another run before the big event, still think he could be potentially top class.

After Sunday im sure it will be much clearer? Hopefully as CV states hope Shaneshill runs shortly as needs to jump better than lto.
Have had saver on Identity Thief 36 on here,in case wins/runs well Sunday. Was looking at Jollyallan just makes too many mistakes for me.

not sure i really get this identity thief thing...should be a good stayer in time but doubt he would run at cheltenham

Will say though I do think he looked more of a stayer than a2 miler in his maiden, and think the Neptune is more likely.Have covered for supreme when they mentioned going back in distance. Should find out Sunday what the score is anyway.