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Yes I take your point on the idling. But whether he won or lost by a head I think that form doesn't look strong enough. I don't know where the fresh thing is coming from? he won the aintree hurdle in 2013 after a long season. Maybe cos he's now at staying trips?
Interesting PN reckons saphir has a lot of improvement in him from his last run and that better ground will suit.. It's only my opinion but Zarkandar looks fully exposed to me at a level below what should be required to win a proper renewal of this race.. |
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A nine year old Solwhit tried 3 mile for the first time in the 2013 WH. Last years 1-2 were trying the trip for the first time.ROR and Zark don't need to improve to win this race unless MOT turns up 100 per cent. My take is that the Irish challenge is average this year unless Briar Hill can come back. |
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Has Lieutenant Colonel lost a leg?
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Don't look good my average 53 on here going down toilet,have layed off stake last week as been drifting for over a week now.
Same Al Ferof in Champion Chase drifting like barge last few days. |
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It was me who put the 21.0 up on the blue side, and layed half my stake off at that, but no takers in the last 12hrs or so.
No insider info or anything. Backed at 66 and just want rid now so I can invest in something else, so any takers are more than welcome to it. Note to self for next year, I'll probably do a lot more AP bets on here, even if a point or two shorter. When laying off stakes were you've backed with bookies, it ties up loads of cash until March to cover the potential payout, when I could have just recycled the same twenty quid if backed on here. |
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Jasey. Trying the trip for the first time isnt the problem. You have to determine if he is likely to stay. Solwhit stayed 2 miles on the flat so was likely to get 3m over hurdles and More of That always shaped like a stayer. i dont think 3 miles is Annie Powers optimum trip but she has so much class that she still ran 2nd last year.
Rock on Ruby had enough speed to win a champion hurdle, having that much speed along with the stamina to win a 3m festival race is nigh on impossible for a horse to have the total package like that. Plus connections have never seen him as a stayer, thats why he ran in the Arkle last year and not the Jewson. Now all of a sudden they are forced to go back hurdling and they reckon he's a stayer? Only reason he is here is because he has nowhere else to run. I dont think Zarkander will win but would take him over ROR in a match bet any day of the week.. |
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There must a good chance that Ruby could be riding Zarkandar in The WH. Fingers crossed
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That'd be pretty awesome tbh. But Paul Carberry would be ideal partner if we could just pick.
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Well ROR has plenty of class m8 like AP
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I am hoping Ruby can somehow be riding SDR.
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having that much speed along with the stamina to win a 3m festival race is nigh on impossible for a horse to have the total package like that
Thought you might think differently given your username. Not that I disagree; Kauto was a freak. |
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I'm guessing STD will pick SDR. So, given that Fehily is already taken, the chances of Ruby on Zarkandar look pretty good to me.
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Sam must pick Zark
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lets hope std picks SDR
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Cv do you want carberry to ride zarkandar like he did harchibald
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nah I was thinking a Carbs ride like he gave Solwhit
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Bellvano wasn't too bad either.
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Surely Annie Power will go for this now? With More Of That gone at it, Annie has nothing to beat. Arguably easier than The Mares Hurdle. What could live with her? OK - maybe SDR - but Zarkandar, Reve De Sivola, the far from certain to stay Rock On Ruby? Please! Easier than denying Glen's Melody or Vroum Vroum in The Mares/
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World Hurdle easier race than the Mares?! No chance imo. A much tougher race, with much more strength in depth.
You couldnt be totally sure AP will get the trip in the WH after last year either. |
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I guess what I mean CCM is that WPM probably has 3,4 or 5 mares who could win The Mares. On the other hand, Ruby is faced with the prospect of taking the ride on Zarkandar because Briar Hill is not the horse they hoped - ie. Inglis Drever and Willie has nothing else. So, if he wants to 'win every race' he needs to find something for this.
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Yes can see your point, but I guess they will be very keen for Annie Power to become a festival winner and the Mares is surely the easiest race to do this in... as I said, I am not convinced she truly got the trip last year, so that must be on their mind?
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What CCM said!
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OK Guys - you've got me. At least the Mares is a Grade 1 now - and I suppose Quevega has given it some gloss in recent years. Sorry Ruby - it's Zarkandar for you by the look of things - good luck with that.
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Had she had a proper prep and got 2 or 3 runs under her belt they'd probably be giving it serious consideration. As it stands though I don't think there's a chance in hell she runs in the world hurdle.
Glens melody won on the snaff on Saturday and all that happened was AP shortened up on here for the mares. |
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where do these theories come from! beating 140 rated mares or against 160+ hurdlers and apparently the world hurdle is easier!
annie power was in the form of her life last year and couldnt beat more of that who outstayed her. his last run can be forgiven but i am not backing him. i think annie power can be taken on in the mares after the injury. she was unspectacular at punchestown and i worry until we see her that the world hurdle left a mark. as for zarkandar i dunno why he suddenly needs delivering on the line. he was oustayed last time out after travelling all over reve. yes he came back right at the death but thats just in zarkandars battling nature when he saw another horse, didnt suggest to me he had loads left. the WH is a completely different test to that ascot race also - reve always comes up short in the world hurdle - i think he is similarly matched with zarkandar. |
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Rock on Ruby keeps calling me here...
Record in bumpers and hurdles at Cheltenham is 12213211. The horses who finished in front of him were First Lieutenant, Bob's Worth (both as novices), Hurricane Fly, Zarkander and (ahem!) Grandouet. The '3' was behind Zarkander and Grandouet in the International a couple of years back on desperate ground and he reversed the form with both in the Champion Hurdle three months later. He was only beaten a short head by First Lieutenant in the Neptune as a novice. I s'pose the case against is that he has same sire as Oscar Whisky who failed to stay in this a couple of years back and the majority of his best course form is on the Old Course but.... same sire is responsible for the likes of O'Faolain's Boy, At Fisher's Cross and Lord Windermere and ROR looks a totally different model to poor old OW to me. I think it's actually slightly more likely that he'll improve for step up in trip as opposed to fail to stay whereas his price factors in a stamina doubt because he has n't done it over 3 miles, if he does stay it'll need to be a really good one to out battle him from the last, he loves a scrap. |
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agree rease
plus that third behind zark and grandouet he was unfit, travelled really well and blew up |
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Re; his Neptune, I put in this thread about a month ago and still stand by it:
Re Rock on Ruby, I think he would actually get the trip now. More of That's first attempt at 3m won him the World Hurdle as did Solwhit's. I thought he was really unlucky in the Neptune, not necessarily outstayed. Oscars Well last hurdle mess up left Rock on Ruby about 3 lengths clear on his own - if Oscars Well would have stayed up, RoR would have probably have won that Neptune imo. I was big on Oscars Well in that Neptune too, and was gutted when he didn't win, but after the dust settled, I think RoR should have won that. L Colonel was my main bet in this, but layed off a big chunk of that at smaller odds. Rock on Ruby is probably the one I'll reinvest the stake in. |
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looks like more of that will be going straight there as no entry in rendlesham...am pleased myself just hope he gets good ground
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I like ROR but do you think the proximity of Cole Harden suggests he might not stay.
SDR and RDS smashed him in the cleeve |
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I think Cole Harden is a lot better than the bare form of that race though. His jumping was all over the place.
Most competitive World Hurdle I can remember in a long while. |
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Really? I think we've 3 or maybe 4 contenders. More of That, Zarkandar, Saphir Du Rheu and maybe Rock on Ruby if he stays. The rest are not much good at all tbh.
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all revolves round the fav for me going to be a hard race to bet on
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Fav going straight there would put me right off. I'd really fancy my two to beat him.
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No standout candidate at all for me.
I'd find it difficult to separate MoT, Zarkandar, Saphir De Rheu, Lieutenent Colonel, Rock on Ruby, Un Temps Pour Tout and Whisper. I could make a case for all 7 of them, but then I can find flaws in them all as well. Beat That looks a difficult one to train, but if they can get him spot on, he's not without a chance either. |
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if at fishers cross can get back to last years form , couldn't write him off, as the two that beat him may not be there.
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Cole Harden's best form - this season at least - is on better ground, look at the turn around with Medinas from Wetherby to Newbury - given the doubts about the distance of the Wetherby race also, it's conceivable that 3 miles stretches CH on a track which puts the emphasis on stamina on soft ground, his best efforts over 3 miles plus are at Aintree and Wetherby on decent ground.
So I don't see the proximity of CH on New Year's Day as a pointer to whether ROR will stay or not - having said that, I'm not naive or dogmatic enough to state that ROR will definitely stay - of course, there's a possibility he won't - my view based on his style of racing and his pedigree (and to a lesse extent his age/maturity)is that he'll be effective over 3 miles and I'll bet accordingly because if we knew he'd stay his price would be shorter. Like Cole Harden, like his trainer too - will be interesting to see how their careers develop... |
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Monksland
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^^^ every year this gets tipped up 1/3 he has a nother injury
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