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I hadn't heard anything about Cue Card since the King George. I asked on here somewhere but didn't get an answer.
So thanks very much for that, Quvega. |
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Sorry Duffy......a Grade 1 novice chase.
Still aint taking Aintree form as a punting guide for the festival. Maybe had he ran in the RSA instead of a handicap we may have more idea, against horses primed for the day.RSA a hard race and have serious doubts about horses retaining their form,as ive said earlier. Holywell aint ran well this season,aint been seen for some time.....poor price imo. Still, hes a young horse entitled to improve so possible he could figure but he really should be bigger odds right now. |
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Happy New Year Sue
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@thechop333: Kings Palace has been entered in this years Gold cup!
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they did it with grands crus, dynaste...the usual with that mob
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Could Smad Place still have a squeak?
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Horse Age Trainer AL FEROF (FR) 10 Paul Nicholls BALLYCASEY (IRE) 8 Willie Mullins IRE BLACK THUNDER (FR) 8 Paul Nicholls BOBS WORTH (IRE) 10 Nicky Henderson BOSTON BOB (IRE) 10 Willie Mullins IRE CARLINGFORD LOUGH (IRE) 9 John Kiely IRE CHAMPAGNE FEVER (IRE) 8 Willie Mullins IRE CONEYGREE 8 Mark Bradstock DJAKADAM (FR) 6 Willie Mullins IRE DON COSSACK (GER) 8 Gordon Elliott IRE DOUBLE ROSS (IRE) 9 Nigel Twiston-Davies DYNASTE (FR) 9 David Pipe FINGAL BAY (IRE) 9 Philip Hobbs FIRST LIEUTENANT (IRE) 10 Mouse Morris IRE HARRY TOPPER 8 Kim Bailey HOLYWELL (IRE) 8 Jonjo O'Neill HOME FARM (IRE) 8 Henry de Bromhead IRE HOUBLON DES OBEAUX (FR) 8 Venetia Williams KINGS PALACE (IRE) 7 David Pipe LORD WINDERMERE (IRE) 9 Jim Culloty IRE MA FILLEULE (FR) 7 Nicky Henderson MANY CLOUDS (IRE) 8 Oliver Sherwood MORNING ASSEMBLY (IRE) 8 Pat Fahy IRE ON HIS OWN (IRE) 11 Willie Mullins IRE RIVER CHOICE (FR) 12 Richard Chotard FR ROAD TO RICHES (IRE) 8 Noel Meade IRE SAM WINNER (FR) 8 Paul Nicholls SHUTTHEFRONTDOOR (IRE) 8 Jonjo O'Neill SILVINIACO CONTI (FR) 9 Paul Nicholls SMAD PLACE (FR) 8 Alan King SPRING HEELED (IRE) 8 Jim Culloty IRE TAQUIN DU SEUIL (FR) 8 Jonjo O'Neill THEATRE GUIDE (IRE) 8 Colin Tizzard THE GIANT BOLSTER 10 David Bridgwater UNIONISTE (FR) 7 Paul Nicholls |
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bluebird - I live in hope Smad Place is a Gold Cup player. Still think he has the right profile just a less than ideal first run this season in Hennessy over 3m2f in Soft going putting people off and making the price attractive. Alan King admitted after it was a mistake to run him in Hennessy as first outing of the season without a prior run. Reckon he will run in Argento and do well and will shorten considerably. Money talking for the record.
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No Menorah
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or captain chris
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Captain Chris out for the season according to Hobbs in RP yesterday.
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sure signs that jackdaws castle are back ,time to top up !
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Ive been topping up a tad on Smad Place,think he will be a big player,looks the right type to me.Look forward to his next run which hopefully will put him spot on for the day.
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After the decs today I had a good luck and think the 40/1 First Lieutenant is a great EW price NRNB. Just look at his Cheltenham Festival, Aintree Festival & Punchestown Festival form. It's very good. You could argue he doesn't win enough but he's always there or there abouts. This season looks like he's going off but he hates Heavy and I can see him giving a real good account. 10year old stat will be thrown at me so I looked at the last 10 runnings and only 4 10yr olds have set off at less than 10/1 (maybe cos they were 10). Kauto Star fell, Imperial Commander Pulled up Lame. Beef Or Salmon hated Cheltenham and Denman was 2nd to Imperial Commander so nothing lost in defeat. On His Own was 2nd last year and arguably was unlucky too. I'm on Boston Bob so was happy looking that stat up. That's the 7th horse in my Gold Cup list. Also on Sam Winner, Smad Place, HDO, Carligford Lough & Fingal Bay.
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Not a surprise, but no Sir Des Champs either. I do hope we see him on a racecourse again.
Cue Card is another one where they look to have given up on him over staying trips. I too backed Smad Place, but before his Hennesey run at 20's and then he quickly went to 33's! I have to admit at being dissapointed by the run though. Despite King now saying it was a mistake to run him, he was supposedly trained for the day, and it was his aim ever since the RSA, so I don't buy that one too much. Smad does have a good festival record though. I thought he'd have won the RSA with a better prep last year. However, it could just be that Many Clouds has improved more from last year to this? 4lbs difference going into the race wasn't a massive amount. Smad does have 21 pounds to make up to Conti, so his backers will need to think there is a huge amount of improvement, plus Conti runs a good few pounds below his King George form. I can see the attraction of First Lieutenent Shocks. I think a lot of the Gold Cup field can beat each other on any given day, and I think you could run this years field against each other five times, and probably get a different finishing top three each time. I've nailed my colours to Conti (although I wouldn't be taking 11/4), but there are some at good each way prices - Carlingford Lough and First Lieutenant are the two I'd probably pick out at the prices. I had a little speculative 40/1 NRNB on Taquin de Seuill a while ago, and have gone off that now, so hope he is a NR to get my money back. Even without the poor form of Jonjo, the JLT from last year isn't worth a carrot. The whole field have pretty much been found out this year, and have about 4 wins between all of them |
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,jonjo said today in the racingpost "there running al right they are just not winning " jonjo said of his gold cup contender holywell, he might run at the end of the month in the cleeve hurdle ,his jumping has gone to pot but it was like that last season when we went to all the small tracks to try to get him going ,we cant do that now with his rating ,
other gold cup possibles are another of last seasons festival winners ,tarquin du seuil ,who pulled up in the betfair chase at haydock in November ,and irish grand national hero shuthefrontdoor ,who is also among the market leaders for the Aintree version . tarquin du seuil might also go to Cheltenham at the end of the month added o,neil we will go for the irish hennesey next with shuthefrontdoor ,I entered him for the gold cup this morning ,he is a real long distance horse and we will keep our options open ,.................. |
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may be pocket talking but that last paragraph about the irish hennesey says a lot to me ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
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Does anybody have the official ratings of the 35 left in the Gold Cup? I am particularly interested to all rated above 160 ..Thanks for your help
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NO. HORSE AGE WGT TRAINER RTF% JOCKEY OR TS RPR
325-13 Al Ferof77 10 11-10 Paul Nicholls 168 154 177 4F-217 Ballycasey76 8 11-10 W P Mullins 153 135 160 2F-421 Black Thunder98 8 11-10 Paul Nicholls 155 117 163 615-8 Bobs Worth75 10 11-10 Nicky Henderson 166 142 171 1-1324 Boston Bob75 10 11-10 W P Mullins 160 145 169 1U6-15 Carlingford Lough75 9 11-10 John E Kiely 158 138 167 32-614 Champagne Fever77 8 11-10 W P Mullins 162 146 171 113/11 Coneygree77 8 11-10 Mark Bradstock 153 132 163 11F-8 Djakadam104 6 11-10 W P Mullins 145 119 136 2-4111 Don Cossack96 8 11-10 Gordon Elliott 166 149 168 5-B3UR Double Ross77 9 11-10 Nigel Twiston-Davies156 148 166 512-32 Dynaste77 9 11-10 David Pipe 167 164 176 11-5P Fingal Bay104 9 11-10 Philip Hobbs 153 — — 34-246 First Lieutenant75 10 11-10 M F Morris 158 142 169 331P-P Harry Topper111 8 11-10 Kim Bailey 160 — — 111-3U Holywell97 8 11-10 Jonjo O´Neill 163 147 169 57P-1F Home Farm75 8 11-10 Henry De Bromhead 99 157 96U-22 Houblon Des Obeaux83 8 11-10 Venetia Williams 162 153 171 11F-11 Kings Palace91 7 11-10 David Pipe 156 120 160 761-37 Lord Windermere75 9 11-10 J H Culloty 160 148 174 121-53 Ma Filleule97 7 11-3 Nicky Henderson 159 163 175 2B4-11 Many Clouds104 8 11-10 Oliver Sherwood 161 149 169 1123-3 Morning Assembly318 8 11-10 P A Fahy 149 125 149 12-862 On His Own75 11 11-10 W P Mullins 164 147 174 6F58P1 River Choice114 12 11-10 R Chotard — — 144 21211 Road To Riches75 8 11-10 Noel Meade 167? 153 176 5P-113 Sam Winner75 8 11-10 Paul Nicholls 162 138 172 2461-1 Shutthefrontdoor123 8 11-10 Jonjo O´Neill 153 114 161 41-511 Silviniaco Conti77 9 11-10 Paul Nicholls 174 152 182 U112-5 Smad Place104 8 11-10 Alan King 153 138 153 8015-4 Spring Heeled226 8 11-10 J H Culloty 150 137 155 11-32P Taquin Du Seuil111 8 11-10 Jonjo O´Neill 159 135 168 513-75 The Giant Bolster111 10 11-10 David Bridgwater. 164 146 174 332-1 Theatre Guide130 8 11-10 Colin Tizzard 150 143 159 838-61 Unioniste69 7 11-10 Paul Nicholls 159 131 165 |
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Sorry Teaspoon. Didn't come out very well.
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NO. HORSE AGE WGT TRAINER RTF% JOCKEY OR TS RPR
Al Ferof. 168 Ballycasey. 153 Black Thunder. 155 Bobs Worth. 166 Boston Bob. 160 Carlingford Lough 158 Champagne Fever. 162 Coneygree. 153 Djakadam 145 Don Cossack. 166 Double Ross 156 Dynaste. 167 Fingal Bay. 153 First Lieutenant 158 Harry Topper. 160 Holywell. 163 Home Farm Houblon Des Obeaux162 Kings Palace. 156 Lord Windermere. 160 Ma Filleule. 159 Many Clouds. 161 Morning Assembly. 149 On His Own. 164 River Choice Road To Riches. 167? Sam Winner 162 Shutthefrontdoor. 153 Silviniaco Conti. 174 Smad Place. 153 Spring Heeled. 150 Taquin Du Seuil 159 The Giant Bolster. 164 Theatre Guide. 150 Unioniste. 159 |
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From Paul Nicholls column - "The star of the season so far has obviously been Betfair Chase and King George winner Silviniaco Conti and he will now, almost certainly, go straight to the Gold Cup, where he will hopefully banish memories of his head-scratching run in the race last season.
He was superb at Kempton, the cheekpieces have really made a difference, and he is now just beginning to get the credit his performances deserve. Sam Winner confirming himself a live Gold Cup outsider with his Lexus run, and King George third Al Ferof giving us a nice headache as to what Cheltenham race to go for". |
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I've just had a few quid on Black Thunder for this at 1000 on here. Obviously at that price you smell a rat, so I tweeted P.Nicholls and asked if he had an injury. He replied saying he was fine and goes to Cheltenham trials day 24th January. I assume for Argento. Not saying he'll win it but is 1000 shot.
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Noel Meade say Road To Riches goes straight to The Gold Cup.
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Good
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Good shout shockster. If the Argento is the plan then the Gold Cup is probably the aim for the Festival. He's very unlikely to win, but there's no way he should be 1000. Lord Windermere won it last year after all!
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my £2 is on!!
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If you take Black Thunders run at Ascot in November, he is exactly the same horse as MANY CLOUDS if you take a line through Merry king. He finished 6L in front of MK giving 11lb, then Many Clouds neat MK 4.5l giving him 13lb. Black Thunder 999/1 Many Clouds 16/1. BT was also still going fine in the RSA until he fell, however it was quite a way out.
Also if he runs OK in the Argento then easy to lay off for a profit. I can dream. |
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You actually tweeted P.Nichols and got a reply, nice one
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Yep STS he's always replied on the odd few times I've tweeted him. Top bloke.
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Just had a reply off him myself
 I so don't understand twitter! But i asked him a couple of questions and was going to copy/paste them but i will just type them instead as i can no longer find or see them on my news feed! Will Vibrato Valtat run again before the festival and is the plan to run in the Arkle? Reply Warwick first And Are Chartbreaker and Lac Leman your only realistic Triumph hdl hopes for the festival? Reply was maybe Ibis De Rheu too But like i said, don't understand twitter at all, although i could see his replies before, now all i see is the tweets i sent him  Now how the feck does that work I had only left the page and went back to it |
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Haha STS, I could only find what I sent him and was going to post but thought it looked dodgy as I can't get replies up.
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Click "View Conversation"
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It's not there on his tweets, can you put a filter on? Other people with tweets have "view conversation"
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There must be some kind of filter on, I think he may have deleted answer on his end or have some kind of time limit thing on his end though am not sure if I would still have been able to see answer if i had left page then went back that way maybe i was lucky to stay on it. And i don't have view conversation button either.
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He's replied to me in the past too a few years back. I'm also a Twitter novice and it's the only time I've ever used it still. He is fantastic with his media work: there's not many in this game who would be so helpful.
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Did he say whether VV would go for the Arkle or ignore that part?
I don't know how to use Twitter myself either btw. |
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Will Vibrato Valtat run again before the festival and is the plan to run in the Arkle? Reply: Warwick first
Is all i got. So presume that yes the VV would be his Arkle horse and Warwick next stop would be the plan. Warwick first being the only 2 words received |
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Cheers.
Interesting horse for the Arkle imo. Kind of quirky type that could go well. Not much else appeals either. |