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By:
wellchief
When: 16 Dec 13 19:55
Jump lump? Sorry, that's "just lump!", stupid phone keyboard.

Yeah, Budd that could well happen. There will definitely be future years for her, so no need to rush now if they think she can be the main stable hope next year, but then Willie has some very promising novices this year, who will no doubt be in the mix next year.

I'm not sure what type of owner Ricci is. I know a few have always thought Zaidpour is not a 2 miler, but i don't know if that was Willie or Ricci who chose the Supreme  and Champion for him, where Neptune and World Hurdle seemed more obvious. It would be interesting to get the owners views and if he wants to put his foot down.
By:
SEATHESTARS....NO1
When: 16 Dec 13 20:04
I was really impressed by TNO on Saturday, they did not go a gallop at any point in that race thus allowing and more of a point to say flattering Jumps Road to be so close and to the eye look as though he was about to run faster than Zark/TNO just before that barging match when jockey tried to take a gap that wasn't there. From that moment on, he was put in his place. If you go slow enough, any horse with a bit of speed will show up for a split second and look good.

TNO fairly showed his ability to then quicken up and lead, going to the last, of which he could have met better, he showed his sheer class! I really like him for this, so much so that i backed him before the race taking 7/2 and a special double price of 5/1 win only! Thats not me, i love my each way but i think this is the real deal! Wouldn't be the first horse to do the sunalliance/champ hdl double either would he?

Champ Hdl portfolio so far

Our Conor 8/1
The New One 5/1 + 7/2

Those prices don't leave to much room for much else, but would be looking to go in small on MTOY before the Xmas hdl just in case he beats TNO, then al have nice on MTOY for chelt, (a kind of saver) and will go in again on TNO.
Hurricane Fly is too big at 13/2 but how many can one back in the same race lol Crazy
By:
FOYLESWAR
When: 17 Dec 13 10:18
our conar to have a racecourse gallop between now and Christmas according to dessie hughes and then onto leopardstown to possibly  face hurricane fly .
By:
duffy
When: 17 Dec 13 12:59
I though annie power beat zark in the look of a stayer, zark ran that race a bit more like he should have done against TNO, by trying to grind her into the grind, but the further they went the better she won, stayer IMO....TNO causes concern by dragging his hind legs through the hurdles, in a quicker CH race he'll lose ground and momentum every time he does that.
By:
duffy
When: 17 Dec 13 12:59
grind into the ground
By:
buddeliea
When: 22 Dec 13 13:12
Anyone any idea who would be likely to make the pace in this race? Cant really see an obvious one myself.
Might be a few connections of the fancied ones a tad worried?
By:
buddeliea
When: 22 Dec 13 14:05
umm, going on what I have just seen and what Ruby had to say, maybe Un de Sceaux may be the one to go off in front? .
By:
deepingfox
When: 22 Dec 13 14:37
Un De Sceaux would lead the Champion Hurdle field, Hurricane Fly would keep a handy position, and I think the race will be won by one of those, depending whether UDS can keep the grind going (in my opinion, to date, nothing puts me off thinking he can win).
By:
deepingfox
When: 22 Dec 13 15:16
All the front 6 in the betting are entered to run this week.

THE NEW ONE takes on MY TENT OR YOURS (The winner will shorten, the loser will lengthen for the CH)

HURRICANE FLY is unbeatable in December, and in the spring following him being fit and well in December). He beats OUR CONOR and JEZKI, Hurricane Fly shortens and Jezki and Our Conor lengthen.

ANNIE POWER runs and wins over a trip, and shortens for the World Hurdle, and remains on the bench for CH in case anything happens to The Fly.

Meanwhile after these 6 run, then UN DE SCEAUX shortens big time, maybe as low as 10/1 or 12/1, as the field above him thins out.

That's my Christmas prediction.
By:
Fallen Angel
When: 22 Dec 13 17:16
Really looking forward to the chirstmas races. Should be very informative. The Christmas Hurdle looks a cracker. Still not entirely sure what will be facing what in Ireland but hopefully there will be at least two of the big guns stay in for the Ryanair hurdle. I could see some reason or another coming out of the woodwork for the loss of one of the market principles. We will get to see if the Fly is still the December King Cool I personally hope so
By:
deepingfox
When: 23 Dec 13 19:47
Fallen Angel,

He is the December King, mos def.
By:
buickisgod
When: 24 Dec 13 15:01
the new one wins christmas hurdle, MTOY close second with connections saying "He couldnt pick up on the ground". TNO shortens slightly to 5/2, MTOY unchanged at 4/1.

Jezki edges the fly in ryanair hurdle with our conor a length back in 3rd. Jezki into 5/1, Our conor eased to 6s as "the run was needed". The fly unchanged!

New book

TNO 5/2
MTOY 4/1
Jezki 5/1
OC 6/1
HF 6/1
By:
Autocue
When: 25 Dec 13 14:08
Our Conor 3.05, Jezki 4.7.
I can't understand why Our Conor is trading shorter than Jezki for Saturday's race. Substance over hype for me so I can't have Our Conor finishing ahead of a horse that is  a multiple grade 1 winner, including a win this season, and continually under-rated. "you can rule out Jezki for a start" said a pundit in the RP on Monday. Why? Is it 'cos he is trained by a woman?
By:
shockster
When: 26 Dec 13 14:47
Great Christmas Hurdle and well done to MTOY.  However, with the Churdle more likely to be run to suit TNO and him not having to hit the front too soon and uphill finish I expect him to turn the form round.  Very good performance as miles and miles clear of Sametagal and the others.  TNO for me in March. Though I don't expect the price to be any shorter so if you're not on I'd wait for the day.
By:
FOYLESWAR
When: 26 Dec 13 15:56
a toe to toe in the mud ! not ideal for tent or new one imo plenty time to recover but would have liked an "easy "if I was a backer of either !
By:
bluebirdfan
When: 26 Dec 13 19:32
The New One still wins it despite today
By:
Autocue
When: 27 Dec 13 15:32
Personally speaking I'd want a horse that sees all the hurdles. Still don't understand why The New One is favourite. That will change on Sunday.
By:
Graeme83
When: 27 Dec 13 19:39
I think Conor is being looked past because people were saying he wasn't doing well a couple of months back. After that everyone was just echoing what others were saying. I think after the race on Sunday OC will be fav for this race. The good things is that nobody can use the ground as an excuse.
By:
Graeme83
When: 27 Dec 13 20:03
He's an akward festival price at any cost.
By:
SoYouThink
When: 27 Dec 13 21:11
Yeah that's true Graeme maybe an element of people jumping on the "he's not going well at home" bandwagon.

But he disappointed on the flat in the middle of October and I'm not sure why they ran him in that and then hid him away again for two and a half months. He's racing against race-fit rivals here and it's his first time to get in the ring with the heavyweights. If he wins, then he'll rightly be favourite for the Champion Hurdle but a more respectable performance beaten by horses who've had a run is a more likely outcome in my opinion.
By:
Graeme83
When: 27 Dec 13 21:21
Fair point SYT, but if the fly had no hurdles in front of him for his last performance, he would have been beat in that flat race also, in my opinion. I think that Conor has become an easy horse to dismiss, but the triumph race is evident. He won like a very good horse, with a cigar. I'm not as quick to dismiss him as others. I wouldn't discount a horse who took a triumph on the deckchair. We will soon get pointers. I'm on the fence. If the pauper in me was given a free bet token for sunday, i'd back OC at those odds.
By:
Fallen Angel
When: 27 Dec 13 22:31
He hasn't really been dismissed by anyone, tbf he is trading at a best 5/1 on here without a hurdles run all season and all the main contenders have come out and won their races. The odds reflect the fact that he hasn't even seen a hurdles course in anger and everything else (TNO, MTOY, HF and Jezki as well as AP and UNC) have proved their wellbeing. It is the very fact that the horse is highly thought of that has managed to maintain his position in the market.

If he was to be be beaten by Jezki on sunday I think that might be more telling than a 2nd to HF for instance as people may draw a conclusion about the Supreme being the more important form line than the Triumph. It might also be the case that HF is able to continue his december dominance and a different result at Cheltenham occurs. They all seem well suited by the ground conditions today i just get the feeling that OC might well like some kind of good in the description to show his best.
By:
Graeme83
When: 27 Dec 13 22:49
Good post F.A, you make alot of those. I think the odds refelect what he did in the triumph, though if he wasn't well he wouldn't be thrown in on Sunday. I'd say the price is also a reflection of odds compilers holding out to see who the best Irish hurdler is. Look at the prices, and the bookies have the CH on lock. There is no room to move, unless you think Mullins other horses can do it. Very little money is being taken. We can all swap opinion, but Sunday gonnae talk.
By:
Fallen Angel
When: 28 Dec 13 00:30
@Graeme83, indeed, we will all be a fair bit wiser post sunday. Finally a Irish grade 1 which will be informative, it could really be a CH for the ages. Assuming they can all get there.
By:
Autocue
When: 28 Dec 13 14:03
"I think Conor is being looked past"
I still think Jezki is the one that is being under-rated. I can't understand it.
By:
buickisgod
When: 28 Dec 13 17:30
me to autocue

i suppose he isnt the "sexy" one!! He's a good bet tommorow.
By:
buddeliea
When: 29 Dec 13 09:39
So Connections of The New One say they are running a pacemaker in the Churdle.
Might help him,but will help others in the race as well I would think.
Intersting stuff though,any ideas who this horse will be??
By:
JOCI Club
When: 29 Dec 13 10:14
The 'pretenders' have been out and strutted their stuff. Now, today, the Champion is out.
By:
buddeliea
When: 29 Dec 13 10:24
Yep,big day.
Hope HF does the business,think he will, especially given soft ground.
By:
wellchief
When: 29 Dec 13 10:30
I think I'm going to make my first Champion Hurdle play of the year.

Hurricane Fly to win today and in March: 10/1 with Hills. If he loses today I probably won't have a bet in the race at all because I'm really struggling to separate the others and would be betting just for the sake of it.
By:
buddeliea
When: 29 Dec 13 10:43
Ive just done that bet chief.
Like you im really struggling with the others and have no firm opinions on any of them as re the Churdle.
Im hoping that HF is still the best around,and if I can have 10 on the day I will be well happy.
Hes got every chance today in the conditions, and with OC having his 1st run after a setback I don't really think he can beat HF, so that just leaves Jezki.possible Jezki could improve past him of course but I aint seen enough to think that thus far.
By:
SoYouThink
When: 29 Dec 13 11:16
Hurricane Fly's position amongst the great hurdlers is already cemented however if he manages to win the Champion Hurdle at the age of 10 beating off every one of what looks a strong generation of pretenders, then he is probably bordering on best hurdler of all time.
By:
Ballydoyle
When: 29 Dec 13 11:38
Interesting little race today but as this game is all about opinions I will say that none of these 3 will win the Champion Hurdle.Feel that the Fly will be too old although he is a favourite of mine and I want him to win today.Cant have Jezki being better than Tent let alone The New One and with regards to Our Conor I think he is the lay of the meeting.I can't see a decent horse that he beat in the Triumph.Yes,I know he won by 15 but name me what these stragglers have done since?he will also be 5 in March and this age have a dreadful win ratio in the Champ.
By:
duffy
When: 29 Dec 13 12:46
buddeliea 29 Dec 13 09:39 
So Connections of The New One say they are running a pacemaker in the Churdle.
Might help him,but will help others in the race as well I would think.
Intersting stuff though,any ideas who this horse will be??


Mad MooseSilly
By:
shockster
When: 29 Dec 13 13:38
Jezki at 11/4 today at Leops looks really big to me.  He was 3rd in the Supreme just behind MTOY and not been beaten since. MTOY and TNO look the best to me now and beat Sametegal in the Xmas hurdle nearly twice as far as Our Connor in the Triumph.  Rock on Ruby destroyed by TNO earlier in the season yet he was just behind Hurricane in the Champion.  Add to the fact that Jezki is unbeaten in 3 races at Leops 11/4 looks huge.

I appreciate this is very literal but all in good races.

In summary I think this will cement the new brigades position in the Churdle.
By:
CR7
When: 29 Dec 13 13:46
If jezki wins today MTOY will have to be clear fav for CH IMO
By:
stevo1
When: 29 Dec 13 14:08
STS who you backing now? Better add another to your 3 or 4 lol!
By:
JOCI Club
When: 29 Dec 13 14:09
GO THE FLY!
By:
shockster
When: 29 Dec 13 14:09
Would Hurricane Fly have beat Jezki Today if McCoy had not got himself boxed in?  I'm not sure, but Our Connor has to improve to get near.  I think TNO and MTOY will harden.
By:
duffy
When: 29 Dec 13 14:12
jezki did get boxed in but the problem was, despite travelling and jumping the best, when they approached the turn he wasn't able to pick up and therefore avoid the boxing in...he then stayed on.
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