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Fergus Wilson?
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I would think so Cyclops. She looked a stayer at Ascot so the step up to 3 miles to contest a Grade 1 is no surprise really, though for some reason the trainer has expressed doubts about the world hurdle in March.
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Lads,
Annie Power is entered in 2 races over Xmas,the 3m race you mention and the Ryanair Hurdle over 2m. Where did you see that the 3m race is the stated target?? Cant find any info on SL or RP websites. |
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She won't run against Fly, Budde.
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Probably not mate,be nice to see though.
Really want to see her in a top 2m race,wonder if I ever will?? |
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She won't face HF in the Ryanair Hurdle thats for sure, maybe March, only Willie knows, we'll see innit.
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Mullins certainly said recently that the 3 miler is her Christmas aim, though I can't remember where I saw that.
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willie on annie power
"We're not trying to take on Hurricane Fly at the moment. "She (Annie Power) will be entered in everything from two miles to three miles but he (Hurricane Fly) will get first choice in all those races. "We'll try and keep them apart." to me,reading between the lines, HF is obviuosly first choice at the moment but he is keeping his options open for Annie just in case the fly doesnt improve from his first run. |
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Quick run down of things I’ve noted about Champion Hurdle.
Our Conor has some bad vibes about for him and I’d need to see him put up a performance against a Jezki or Fly in the next 6 or 7 weeks to get a grip on him. TNO is not my kind of horse for a Champion hurdle and not convinced at all by what he’s beaten or what he’s lost to. Needs to show more. But he is young and improving and he is certainly one capable of winning this. The three I think are at head of affairs for me right now are Hurricane Fly, My Tent or Yours and Jezki. Fly is just awesome, and we assume he’s on a downward spiral because of age etc.. but until I see it in his next 2 runs at Leopardstown then I will reserve judgement on him. We all know how much he needs his first run of the season, 3 times he’s run in that Morgiana Hurdle he’s lost once and come close to losing the next two times. Not to mention when he won fto in his novice days he just got up against Donnas Palm. Should be fav My Tent or Yours would be next as he had a nice reappearance win at Newcastle but beat very little in reality. If he learns to settle better this season I think he’s got enough raw talent to win a Champion Hurdle. My slight worry is if he fills out too much and loses some of that speed and hurdling fluency as he is one who could make a top class 2m chaser. Jezki, having rewatched all of his career runs last night it’s clear as day he is much better going left handed, he jumped left at both the last hurdles at Punchestown the last day. He did show he has stamina and only being a 5yo he is open to plenty of improvement and I think we’ll see it at Leopardstown. |
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Nice write up CV though have to admit that I've never been a fan of Jezki and will def lose on this race of he wins. I'm a fully paid up member of the Fly Club (have the scarf for both days I'm there and all!!) and at the odds I'd normally be smashing in but this year does look special so I'm keeping out of it properly for a while. Have £20 @ 10/1 MTOY and £10 at 15.00 on here OC so in an ok position.
You did a good piece a few weeks back about Faugheen and Briar Hill, and which races you thought theyd take in en-route. Still feel Faugheen Neptune and Briar Hill AB? |
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Having read a lot of what Mullins says, in interviews and in particular the two times he was at the Cheltenham Preview at Leopardstown in recent years. He explained his reasoning for his indecision on a horses target for Cheltenham. He wants to place them so as to maximise his chances of winners.
The Boston Bob Neptune/Albert Bartlett one was particularily insightful, he wanted to pick the easier race for him and avoiding Simonsig who had himself yet to commit to Neptune over Supreme. So armed with the knowledge that he wanted to keep all his best novices apart you can place Faugheen in Neptune & Briar Hill in the AB. That is unless there is an injury. If Briar got injured Faugheen could possibly step up to 3m if he had learnt to settle and Moyle Park could move into the Neptune for example. It's not an exact science. |
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Cheers CV, appreciate your insight and the explanation makes complete sense. It's been an interesting debate on here as some have felt that Faugheen looks best at the end of his races, meaning they feel the step up to 3m would suit over running BH in that race.
I'm of the opinion that of the two, Faugeen to my eyes as more natural speed and blended with his stamina, the Neptune appears to suit best. Briar hill appears to be able to gallop all day long, and coupled with his very tidy hurdling, looks a natural for the 3M. I also can't get out of my mind the fact that ruby had to niggle him, albeit very lightly, on debut this year. It was only over 2.2 but it would still concern me for the Neptune trip on the old course. |
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I think faugheen started the season as their AB horse hence the 2m 6f introduction, but he has shown a high cruising speed at the end of his races, definitely has gears and a drop in trip was inevitable and sure to suit. I think he,s special
regarding briar hills jumping, I cant wait to see him jump a fence and im already thinking about the 2015 festival with this one... |
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Yep, looks a natural RSA sort to me
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First bet in this race for me today, The New One @ 5/1 special double price. Satisfactory win today i thought. Onwards and upwards though i do rate My Tent of Yours as better than him and just waiting for the right moment to add him into my book.
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Didn't rate his jumping today. He wasn't any more convincing than Annie Power in beating Zarkandar and I don't think she's a CH horse.
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On WFA terms he was carrying 4lb more than AP and Zark had the blinkers on today, though that is something which is hard to quantify the effect of.
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First horse to beat Zarkandar on the new course who looked cherry ripe for today under a hands and heels ride after missing a few out and idling after the last.
Price may well be short but i'd not be laying him as he looked far from fully fit to me and i believe there's plenty more to come. |
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An odd race and the presence of Jumps Road so close to the principals poses a few questions. He might even have asked a few himself if he'd not got stopped in his run. The sort of race whereby, if you fancied TNO beforehand, you still will now, but, if you didn't, nothing happened there to change your mind. Frustratingly inconclusive.
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the problem the new ones got in the champion is where is the pace in race cause I think he needs a strong run race to show how good he is, an a horse to take him to the last not sure hes gonna get that and I know your all gonna say they don't go slow in this race but imo that tactic will decide the winner the quicker they go the new one will win if its slower affair can see the fly winning
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TNO in my opinion prefers the old course, where he won the neptune last season. This new course they raced on today would def have suited Zark better and i think he did it well! I was glad i had took the 5/1 on the double after the race anyways. Hopeful, not confident!
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You mention jumps road, but even if he didnt get stopped in his run do you not think they would still got away from him anyways? I got that impression after the 2nd last anyways.
If i was to be wrong, could it not have been possible that a 100/1er not improve or at least be flattered by two not 100% peak fitness horses? |
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Cyclops has got summed it up perfectly. The race told us nothing. Zarkandar didn't seem to run to form, the proximity of the no hopers tells us this. We can theorise that The New One had plenty left, but we don't know for sure.
Chief Dan, where does the theory that TNO needs a strong pace come from? I don't believe he has ever come across a race at championship pace yet. Today was slowly run for a 2m Grade 1; his Neptune was ran very steadily until two out, when they all sprinted and he outpaced them all. I think I'd fancy him more if I thought there was going to be a false pace. |
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What i would love to know is, where does this theory come from that races run at the Cheltenham festival are run at end to end furious gallops i.e the named 'championship pace'? As far as i can see, and ive watched a fair few races at the festival in my time, and thousands of races of top grades at other times of the year but cannot for the life of me see a difference! All races are run differently, some like today are sketchy pace wise early on, others are run at a fast clip and others are more evenly spaced. Dont mean to say that at the Cheltenham festival, races are run any differently, also the times would tell you this depending on ground conditions etc
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having just watched the race
he cruised up, got to the lead far too soon, hurdled the last idling then having nearly got headed powered away impressed even more than I have been. jumped the first like it was a novice chase and agree with cv byrne he will be a chaser one day ![]() |
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No way would Hurrican Fly win this years renewal off a slow pace. Last season he won it in the manner of a stayer.
A slow or fast pace won't bother TNO either way. A slow pace however for the likes of MTOY who has a high cruising speed, and HF who will be losing his pace as he gets older, will inconvenience them more so. |
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I was very happy with The New One, yesterday.
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The New One confirmed for Christmas Hurdle
BY RODNEY MASTERS 7:11PM 15 DEC 2013 THE NEW ONE is set for an exciting showdown at Kempton with My Tent Or Yours after Nigel Twiston-Davies reported his rising star had taken Saturday's Cheltenham win in his stride and was "100 per cent" when pulling out on Sunday morning. RELATED LINKS Champion Hurdle betting The Grade 1 williamhill.com Christmas Hurdle on December 26 will mark a first hurdles clash between Britain's two premier Champion Hurdle contenders, although they did meet in a bumper at Aintree's Grand National meeting in 2012 when The New One came out on top, finishing a length and a quarter ahead. Although an ante-post market has yet to take shape for Kempton, the sponsor on Sunday priced up the race as a match, with The New One 8-11 and My Tent Or Yours evens. Twiston-Davies said: "The horse is 100 per cent. I can't see any obvious alternative to Kempton and therefore he's likely to run. "He wasn't off the bridle until the run in [on Saturday] and therefore did not have a hard time of it." The New One is 7-2 with Betfred and William Hill for the Champion Hurdle, while My Tent Or Yours is a general 4-1. |
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Difficult to know exactly what to make of the International, although even as a big TNO supporter I wish he would pick his legs up a bit more at the hurdles. Clearly quite an engine, he looked to be set for a 10L win until the last where he put in a poor(ish) leap. I would be more excited about the way he picked up than anything. What I did take from it is the position of the last hurdle in the CH could be quite important to his chances. Depending on how far from the finish it is this would either benefit or hinder him. You can only beat whats put in front of you.
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You can but just how excited you can get about beating a horse - who won his last race by a length off 124 - by 12 lengths, which would have been a lot less had that horse not had severe traffic problems approaching the last, and in a time the same as the weak looking juvenile hurdle on the same card is open to question to say the least.
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On the subject of zark for a moment, you've got to wonder what they are playing at, were they trying to do TNO for speed or something, it tells you all you need to know about the pace they set when jumps road is still there, I don't think they know what they're doing with him at the moment.
Is he a WH horse or what, they seemed to have been more tempted by the pot rather than mapping out a proper WH route for him. |
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Definitely went for the money. 2nd place was worth £28k. Expect him to be stepped up in trip next run.
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Would agree with Sint - very easy money. PFN not stupid. Did not have a hard race either. Time was very slow. All race shows is that TNO may have hurdling problems when asked to go at championship pace and that he has a nice turn of foot.
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Hopefully the Christmas trials will be more informative. Would be good if we could actually see more than one Irish contender in the same race. That would be a start.
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His turn of foot should not be underestimated though Arkle. Slow or fast past, he'll quicken at the end of it.
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Still yet to face a serious contender for the CH at the required distance though.
Out of the new crop I do slightly favour him cos of the speed/stamina thing,but its still up in the air whose the best out of them,and certainly also as to whether any of them are up to the standard of HFly. The winner out of MTOY and TNO at xmas will be fav I imagine, although personally I think HF should be fav till one of them actually runs a race that says differently,or HF does!! All in all cant be backed at current price imo, but then I think only HF can at current prices. |
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Now that we've seen all but Our Conor, Annie Power is the one who has impressed me the most so far this season.
I think she dispatched Zarkandar better than TNO, despite TNO beating him by 6l and Annie Power 5l. I understand the "will she, won't she" debate of whether she'll run, but 12/1 NRFB is a great price imo. I know she was getting weight against Zark, but she'll be getting that same allowance in the Champion. She is effectively rated 169 with the weight she'll get, where TNO is 167 and MTOY 160. Despite me saying that, I don't take too much notice of stuff like that, but she is younger than MTOY and the same age as TNO, so she is still open to the same amount of improvement as them. I can see her going over longer trips in the future, but she is still only 5 (until New Years Day), and I'm not sure that they'll be wanting to send her over 3m at Championship pace in the WH, when she would have only just turned 6. For me, it will be Champion or nothing for her. They won't put her up against Quevega imo, and for the reasons said above, I think they'll miss the WH. |
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Annie Power might give Cheltenham a miss altogether and go to the Aintree Hurdle followed by the Mares Grade 1 at Punchestown.
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Very true, SYT, so I would only back her NRFB. I think its worth the risk for the current price.
If she doesn't run I'll jump lump all my stake in Quevega :-) |
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With Annie Power and also maybe Un De Sceaux,i really think their respective chances of running in the Churdle largely depend on how Hurricane Fly Is looking nearer the festival.
If hes unbeaten and they are really pleased with him,i think it highly likely we wont seen either of them. On the other hand if hes not as they want him and maybe regressed then we could well see one or even both. |