It's a 3 horse race for me and I'm really not sure which way I'll go.

Interesting that Mullins has said he's training The Fly differently now as he was switching off too much in his races. May have been an explanation for 2012, that and fact he'd only had one race before and he gets better with racing

The Supreme was ran at a good pace throughout, whereas the Neptune was a sprint from three out.

Meant wasn't more impressive

Don't see why people were saying it was good to see MTOY battle when he won at Kempton. I personally thought he battled gamely in the Supreme and just met a fantastically talented tough and more experienced horse in Champ Fever who has more stamina. It's not like My Tent folded tamely or anything, he just couldn't get by. It was the first time he was in a battle after all.

yeah same here cv by the way what race  do you think champagne fever will run in arkle or Jewson ? thanks

Very true CV...Sam would have brown trousers if the Fly loomed up with Ruby.

Beginning to think I might just have to pile in to the Fly as cover for the other two already backed. Only been beaten once after all under Mullins and the thing just knows how to win man.However 3/1 now and one wonders whether they will be out to get him as they certainly did last year withi it being 3/1 the day before.

As a backer of TNO and Tent only the Fly scares me.Our Conor and Jezki ain't for me at all. Former won the worst Triumph I've ever seen and the latter is an Aintree Hurdle nag

If good ground i think the Fly could be in trouble but if its soft we could be seeing a three time champ.

In a slowly run race.

That's the idea budd, to make profit do not blame him at all (bally) 7/2 now the fly with laddies only 4 on here so it kinda answers why there is 4 figs wanting to lay him (arbing obviously), and at least one firm wanting to get him in the book even now before the irish champ hdl, which is kinda worrying if your a backer.

I don't think this is a race I'd want to be too deep in at this stage as I think there are a number of potential winners. The only one I don't fancy at all is Jezki but can see any of the other big four winning, and that's without considering Annie Power, who would have a chance if lining up. Un De Sceaux might be very good too, and he could also run.

Worth waiting now until much nearer the time I'd say.

so another jezki knocker!!

still cant see why so many people dont seem to rate him as a creditable challanger. ran a blinder in the supereme last year and i thought he enhanced his chances at christmas. obvious that getting hampered didnt help but i think there are still other reasons to believe he could reverse form with the fly. people seem to forget how good the fly is in ireland compared to cheltenham. cheltenham is almost certain to suit jezki, especially if the ground is good and they go a good pace. has anyone taken into account his trainers form over the last few weeks to? maybe we didnt see the best of him in the ryanair hurdle, just a thought.

why is a worry if you are a HF backer that Lads want to lay him at 7/2, WH wanted to lay him at 6s before the Irish Christmas Hurdle, didn't mean that they knew anything in particular. Could just be wanting to balance up the books. Not sure how you come to a conclusion its a sign of anything in particular.

Ridiculous indeed.
Right price now I think.

It needs to be 7/2 each of three imo and i think it will revert to it once the actual entries are known. I do think there will be a clear fav once March starts looming up on the calender though and it will probably be HF if he wins the Irish champ hdl and beats the same 2 again (OC & jex) in similar fashion. Then i can see HF moving closer to 9/4, TNO staying unchanged, MTOY finally being pushed half a pt out to 9/2 with most firms and OC and Jez taking a walk depending on how and where they finish.

That race is key to me.

totally agreed autocue, its quite ridiculous that hes twice the price of mtoy. mccoy  gave him a bit of a shocker didnt he!. i honestly dont know what they were thinking with captain cee bee, having him run like he did invonvienced jezki. i still think he needs a fast pace to see the best of him tho dont you? i dont see him as having no tactical speed but there are horses who probably have a bit more. i dont think that will have much of an impact on the c hurdle tho. i actually think mccoy will go for jezki.

SYT - you'd be shocked if McCoy DID pick MTOY?

Can see the Champ powering Jezki to victory at Aintree though. 2m 4f perfect.

This is what I posted in September, at the top of this thread. At 6/1 HF, 40/1 UDS and 30/1 AP at that time, I'm delighted by how the season has progressed and have seen no reason to change my mind. Having UDS and AP as deputies gives me insurance if HF fails to deliver in the Irish Champion or has a problem before the Champion. I have no doubt you'd see AP and probably UDS in the Champion if that were the case. The New One and MTOY still have plenty to prove, the former having not yet beaten over hurdles a horse in the top 7 of the Champion Hurdle betting, while the hill does loom rather large for supporters of MTOY. Looking good at present for me and any poor souls who read this posting.

Look no further than Mullins. 7 points on Hurricane Fly, 1.5 each on Un De Sceaux and Annie Power. If the champion should come up short this season, Mullins has two horses of huge potential who could take his place. Personally, I expect to see Hurricane repel them all again. Lightly raced for his age, and swept by them in this year's Champion, despite a strangely run race. Our Conor may be anything, but is a shocking price given that he's yet to meet a class horse. My Tent or Yours may be the next Harchibald in waiting. The New One did keep progressing but look at how little he had to spare when beating Thousand Stars at Aintree (and losing to Zarkander) and you will realise how much he needs to improve when stepping back to a trip that Nigel never contemplated running him over in his novice season. Not sure he's the trainer to keep improving him, after a very busy first season. Jezki's a bit of a dark one, but you have to forgive his eclipse at Cheltenham, while Grandouet is surely too soft and has had too many chances. His jumping always falls to pot when under pressure.
Trust Mullins to deliver.

My Tent Or Yours will have a prep race before the big one no doubt about that.

I think the comparison with Harchibald is ridiculous. People looking for reasons to rule out MTOY and the best they can come up with is the old cliche "won't get up the hill".

I'm not at all desperate to bet on this race because I find it incredibly difficult to take a strong position. I took the view that last years supreme front 3 were outstanding novices and I've seen nothing to counter that view. The water has been muddied by The New One. I always expected The Fly to arrive at Cheltenham again unbeaten but remain of the view that he wins at Cheltenham despite rather than because of the course. Our Conor isn't out of it but I'd be surprised if a five year old can beat all these class older horses. Then you have Annie Power which has been very impressive over two and a half and who could make them all go on soft in the champion.

I don't see much value there now but I'd agree that for me Jezki represents it if I had to bet right now. He missed out the second last and last in the supreme and had an inferior jock compared to the best. Stick Geraghty on and likely more improvement from five to six than six to seven for The Tent and I'd be with Jezki. But he has gone there twice now and not won.