Fully intend having even more on MTOY now after today after this drift! This yard do have a habit of this. Just before the race involving Sprinter Sacre i reported on here of watching a huge drift on him in the QMCC market and was totally slated for it too. I seen his price get pushed out to 1.6 area laid to good money and during the race just before bf suspended a lump appeared at 2.48 though nothing was matched at that price until much later in the month. I said then something was up!

As Bally says, you got to keep your eye on these markets, as not everything is always as it seems!

Now just as we have had in recent years with other horses, winning or not, we have 'news' that a horse has stood on a stone, what happens, people on here with nothing better to do come on and lay these horses 'trying' to or thinking they are pinching money off people with a non runner about to be announced. But in actual fact, massive money was appearing to lay, and it was getting taken too, £222s at 7, £111 at 7.2 i saw, i saw £65 at 10, that lasted all of about 2 mins if that. If it had this happen to it this morning as has been told of in the press in the last hour, no one would want to be backing this horse to such volumes surely!

Wouldnt be the greatest surprise to me if Hendo came out and said "oops I was talking about the wrong horse sorry about that everyone"

You have to think of the poor, underpaid stable staff. The Festival ante-post markets can provide a welcome supplement to their wages.

Exactly ming, just what i am thinking and always have done autocue!!

Goodness me, they must really be laughing in that yard now! Small punture wound, same as syringe hole, well it kinda is aint it, make it public by saying something on twitter on an inconspicuous account, rp picks it up, drift instigated, laughing

This was the perfect opportunity for another Binocular moment. I'm surprised Nicky didn't say he was out and change his mind a couple of days later.

thank you mr henderson for keeping everyone well up to date on the mtoy situation .note to mr mullins that is how you treat punters with respect on horses plans after all there would be no festival and industry without us punters

You'd have to say Mullins/connections have been the most straight forward out of everyone. He has so many horses. Anyone conundrum he's had has been a genuine one.

Any conundrum * (UDS/AP/BH/Faugheen)

NJH only says something when he is forced to because the markets have already said if for him.

mr mullins dont even say it when hes forced to like i said earlier hes ruined what could have been the race of the festival

"graeme so why didnt mr mullins say uds wasnt gud enough from outset class horse which has been enterd in the churdle for months at every dec stage all of a sudden aint good enough its a joke "


How do i know ? ...it didn't have a prep you'd associate with the CH. Maybe the horse had something of, if i could coin a phrase, a 'stand by' prep. WM has lots of horses though, and he's suprisingly been the most forward trainer this season, and Ricci has been the most forward owner. Other trainers have been that bit quiter. Some trainers genuinely don't know where some horses will go until after the final pieces of work. If you have strength and depth though, you can nominate earlier, because you don't care who else is there.

Yeah, you're right. They even implied it was heading to the CH at one point. I don't like seeing small stake punters losing money. Genuine question, do you blame thhe trainer ? to me HF can go any gallop, whereas maybe some rivals need it strong. Maybe they were thinking that UDS could potentially have teed it up for someone else. I dunno.

i blame the trainer for not being honest yeah i dunno and this is purely a guess but at some point i think ruby has told mr mullins were going to have our work cut out to beat thi horse but that like i said is just a guess and thats without a power in the frame who i think is going for the world hurdle purely to give walsh a great chance of winning it an one less for hf to worry about

I knew someone would say that.

So which performance was the true running of Midnight Game?? 

Cos you rip into UDS you do even more with HF!!

16l hard held.......7l ridden out.

"So which performance was the true running of Midnight Game??

Cos you rip into UDS you do even more with HF!!"



Now you're stating that HF form is with Marito, which it clearly isn't. He wasn't within a ton of his best that day. You're following insufficient form lines. UDS hasn't done anything to prove his worth at this point. Some collateral form comparisons are useless.

Some folk would have you believe that Annie and UDS would be better for the race. They're pretty much saying Mullins has 3 Hurricane Flys on the go at the same time. You're sensible observer would say you don't get many Hurricane Flys, let alone 3 at the one time.

dream not dram lol

Lads I have not looked at this thread for a while - unbelievable bullsh.

Ain't ready Budd. He's a front running 6y/o, who has been running in soft ground against nothing of note, in 3 and 4 runner races. I don't see how you could lead a CH from the front. We will see in teh future how good he is. I'm not so sure he is the super next big hurdler that some are leading us to believe.

Hes been running in the races his trainer entered him in,thats my point!!! That's why his trainer can say he aint ready!!!
Hes the same age as the favourite !!

Why on earth cant he front run in the CHurdle?? That's what he does!!! Makes no difference what horses are behind him,if they catch him so be it.