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By:
judorick
When: 20 Feb 13 23:13
fingers crossed!
By:
harry callaghan
When: 21 Feb 13 00:00
claise on sporting life says the ground is soft g/s in places and the tractor is out spiking for the first time this season
By:
judorick
When: 21 Feb 13 00:05
perfect, hopefully get natural g/s come the tuesday
By:
harry callaghan
When: 21 Feb 13 00:07
would be nice, to not have false ground for a change
By:
judorick
When: 21 Feb 13 00:18
can't remember the last time we had unwatered. Can you buddy?
By:
judorick
When: 21 Feb 13 00:18
itching for some decent tennis Harry mate
By:
harry callaghan
When: 21 Feb 13 00:21
no its a shame breeders must be spitting...yep looking forward to the tennis how did rafa look the other day?
By:
judorick
When: 21 Feb 13 00:30
he needs time on court, think he will skip as many HC tourneys as he can
By:
festivalfanatic
When: 21 Feb 13 14:23
Fack me.....Claisse is now saying that if the rainfall forecast for the week before Festival doesn't materialise, he might have to water! Ground will be good to soft all round by the weekend apparently and no material rainfall due next week.

Looks unlikely now that the ground will be very slow.
By:
sj
When: 21 Feb 13 15:53
No surprise man is a Grade A clown
By:
Eeternaloptimist
When: 21 Feb 13 16:07
This time will be different I tell thee. It's the table. It's the table. Laugh
By:
judorick
When: 21 Feb 13 16:34
have been saying all along that it would drain
By:
Biscar Two from a mile back
When: 21 Feb 13 17:22
He will water to produce good to soft ground like he has been doing for the last how many years.
By:
buddeliea
When: 21 Feb 13 17:27
Claisse is now saying that if the rainfall forecast for the week before Festival doesn't materialise, he might have to water!

And if it does materialise??

Tables back up again eeternalWink
By:
festivalfanatic
When: 21 Feb 13 17:45
Reading between the lines budd, if the forecast proves correct he will need rain to maintain good to soft without watering. Forecasts can change of course but the chances of heavy ground now appear minimal and even soft slim.

I hope we see good to soft but without watering. It will steady them up a bit but bring class to the fore and frankly, there should be no excuses relating to the ground. As an enthusiast, I want to see the best horses given the best opportunity to strut their stuff.
By:
buddeliea
When: 21 Feb 13 17:49
yep,me too mate,i reckon natural good /soft would be perfect for the festival.
Of course the problem we then have,if no rain,is that that natural good/soft will be very good later in the week!!
By:
harry callaghan
When: 22 Feb 13 00:11
what is the problem in producing good ground as long as it isn't fast??
By:
judorick
When: 22 Feb 13 00:19
none mate

how are you?
By:
buddeliea
When: 22 Feb 13 07:00
cos claisse says he wants soft in the description,which means no rain he will water before the festival,trying to have safe jumping ground all week.
By:
buddeliea
When: 22 Feb 13 07:02
hes scared it will get towards fast ground,and what that may bring in terms of casualties.
By:
judorick
When: 22 Feb 13 09:56
no rain in the Cheltenham forecast for the next 9 days
By:
buddeliea
When: 22 Feb 13 12:14
hosepipe at the ready
By:
paulo47
When: 22 Feb 13 19:15
Yes the only thing SC is really worried about is casualties , especially after one of the wettest recent winters gives him few excuses , as stated here the implication is that he will err on the side of soft ground for day 1 , especially if the racedays forecast is for little or no rain .
By:
Mr Eboue
When: 22 Feb 13 19:29
Been dry here all week.

Cold wind but no rain/snow.
By:
rogerthebutler
When: 22 Feb 13 19:55
I really wonder if there are more casualties on good ground or firmer.

I know the received wisdom is they go faster and speed kills but this is Cheltenham and on soft ground, (metaphorical) guns will still be put to horses heads, they won't be pulled up as readily, they will go for home from further out and whilst you may not have the green screens out as often, plenty more will be bottomed out forever.

....and is there a more unedifying sight than horses slogging their way through gloop in a series of slow-motion finishes?
By:
Makybe_Diva
When: 22 Feb 13 21:20
I'm not a million miles from Cheltenham and I can't believe how the ground has been drying out the last couple of days.

I live on a farm and it's almost freaky considering how wet it had been.
By:
festivalfanatic
When: 22 Feb 13 22:27
I was at the course today for a funeral reception in the Psnoramic. Tractor our on the course doing its stuff, apparently spiking and rolling. No real rain for 2 weeks now come Sunday and little forecast for the next week.
By:
harry callaghan
When: 22 Feb 13 22:48
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I really wonder if there are more casualties on good ground or firmer.

I know the received wisdom is they go faster and speed kills but this is Cheltenham and on soft ground, (metaphorical) guns will still be put to horses heads, they won't be pulled up as readily, they will go for home from further out and whilst you may not have the green screens out as often, plenty more will be bottomed out forever.

....and is there a more unedifying sight than horses slogging their way through gloop in a series of slow-motion finishes?




really good points roger totally agree with everything you say
By:
judorick
When: 23 Feb 13 01:56
they did the research and there is a correlation between how fast they go and how firm the ground is when they fall

on softer ground they go slower, hit the ground at lower speed and have more cushioning = less fatalities

and vice versa (firmer going, run faster, hit harder surface at higher speed when falling = more fatalities)

that was the basis for the BHA instruction that the meeting must start on g/s
By:
judorick
When: 23 Feb 13 01:56
they did the research and there is a correlation between how fast they go and how firm the ground is when they fall

on softer ground they go slower, hit the ground at lower speed and have more cushioning = less fatalities

and vice versa (firmer going, run faster, hit harder surface at higher speed when falling = more fatalities)

that was the basis for the BHA instruction that the meeting must start on g/s
By:
Eeternaloptimist
When: 23 Feb 13 12:58
All perfectly sound logic but which does leave one unanswered and unpalatable question. Are horses at other courses expendable?
By:
rogerthebutler
When: 23 Feb 13 13:51
Yes and whilst it is easy to research fast ground with fatalities, the issue I queried - the bottoming out of horses on slow ground following the Festival - will have to remain speculative.
By:
judorick
When: 23 Feb 13 15:10
bottoming is not apparently a welfare issue
By:
sj
When: 23 Feb 13 19:00
Eeternaloptimist 23 Feb 13 12:58 Joined: 28 Jun 10 | Topic/replies: 16,350 | Blogger: Eeternaloptimist's blog
All perfectly sound logic but which does leave one unanswered and unpalatable question. Are horses at other courses expendable?

Exactly mate
By:
rogerthebutler
When: 23 Feb 13 21:43
Graeme - take some more water with it and come back on Monday
By:
Mr Eboue
When: 23 Feb 13 22:00
Grow up Graeme.
By:
Mr Eboue
When: 23 Feb 13 22:17
4/7 Drunk
9/4 Paranoid schizoprenic
4/1 Drugs
By:
alleged22
When: 23 Feb 13 22:19
i,ll have a monkey on drunk
By:
Mister Westsound
When: 24 Feb 13 10:38
To get this back on track the Scandi high is looking likely to persist all this coming week at least.  Cold and dry to continue and it's all boiling down to the timing of the high weakening to let the milder, damper Atlantic air stream back in.  From my purely amatuer (albeit enthusiastic amatuer) eye I can't see for the world why Claisse has even uttered the word "watering" unless he has informed opinion that the high pressure currently blocking the rain is likely to persist right into festival week.  I reckon that is highly unlikely and therefore there will be rain in some form in the run up to the opening day which is bound to prevent any need for watering.  Genuine G/S in some way or form imo.
By:
festivalfanatic
When: 24 Feb 13 13:19
At the current rate at which the ground is drying, then there will be good patches by the end of next week. Claisse will have a much better idea where he is by week commencing the 4th but it would appear highly unlikely that we are going to see very slow ground.
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