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First Lieutenant, Ryanair or Gold Cup?
First Lieutenant, Ryanair or Gold Cup?
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"convincingly" more like just held on,because SDC smashed every fence down.
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SDC would just laugh at FL over the Gold Cup trip
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They finished in a heap JT.... to Tiday Bay
 Joking aside I think Russell just wants two bites of the cherry and is touting any spurious excuse to get his own way - if he likes it or not FL would be a serious threat to SDC on the book in the GC. noticed FL has drifted again to 25/1 on here in the GC.  |
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That's entirely possible Ming. SDC jumped very poorly and still finished upsides. As for FL, as I've said before I feel that 2m 5f at championship pace would suit him very well.
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FL simply has no chance of lasting home in a Gold Cup. The whole world knows this apart from about 3 people on here lol
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SDC starting to get some bad press in the preview evenings - i.e they say he is overrated - probably liked to the Lexus form again.
if FL settles he will do just fine in the GC - but then I'm a mug apparently lol |
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The horse may be overrated,that just means he wins by 1 or 2 lengths instead of 10
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lot of people counting their SDC winnings already - gltu - however that often leads to woe.... can't see any opinions being objective though.
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Bad press?
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You should be on the stage...WALOFS
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see what I mean about objectivity....
Barry Geraghty in with Paddy Power this PM Barry on Sir Des Champs " Has reservations over his form, has not seen a run from him to say that SDC is a gold cup winner!!! Bobs Worth didn't miss any work doesn't understand why no-one is forgiving Long Run a bad run #GC Sir des Champs form not strong enough, S Conti a danger review from Tote.com Cheltenham preview night. In aid of The National Rehabilitation Hospital in The Louis Fitzgerald Hotel Newlands Cross Dublin Sunday (thanks to PD) Davy Russell,Tony Mullins,Barry Geraghty,Jessie Harrington,Robbie Power,Matt Chapman,Niall Quinn came later Gold Cup All agree Bobsworth with danger Long Run.Sir des champs not good enough Looking for Cheltenham tips? Want to know who Chief Reporter @MartDixon is backing? Ask him now in a live Q&A MD: Bobs Worth top of my list. Fear long Run most. Dead against Sir Des Champs- not convinced form is that good #askthejury |
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Barry Geraghty "I don't understand Sir Des Champs hype...all hype. Flemenstar all the way"
Davy Russell,Tony Mullins,Barry Geraghty,Jessie Harrington,Robbie Power,Matt Chapman,Niall Quinn came later Gold Cup All agree Bobsworth with danger Long Run.Sir des champs not good enough Even Davy Russell? You sure about that? |
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With Morris now saying its 50/50 on which race he runs in, I think it's safe to say that the Ryanair is now the target. You don't go from being all-out Gold Cup to 50/50 unless someone's had a word.
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Not really Brent. It has never been his sole decision. 50/50 means either we're waiting on the weather or we're not telling you.
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If Mouse trained SDC it would be done by now.
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Ming,those are views from people who could not tip coal
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funny that jasey as I was talking to some miners on Sunday night and they CAN tip coal..... they had no opinion on SDC though but I'll ask and report it back here
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Ha ha, tbh m8, i back more than one horse,SDC my best result,thats all
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I'm on SDC at 7-1 6-1 5-1, Bob at 9-2 and Silvi at 8-1 and I just cant have the last 2 at all to beat SDC...I've even forgot I've got em on
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3 ante post GC horses at single digit prices ??...yeah, you'll really make it.
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Graeme the name of the game is profit.
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Exactly.
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It is. Although anyone can back tthhe first 3 in the market at single digits and stroll around the forum mocking other people double digit selections. It's not difficult.
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So has Jason Maguire been booked for CC or what ? Read it on Twitter yesterday ..
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Graeme83 07 Mar 13 14:59 Joined: 21 Sep 07 | Topic/replies: 7,881 | Blogger: Graeme83's blog
It is. Although anyone can back tthhe first 3 in the market at single digits and stroll around the forum mocking other people double digit selections. It's not difficult. Rate reply: | report block user You obviously can't |
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Sint Maguire has been booked for Champion Court, I think it's a little unfair on Alain Cawley as he hasn't done anything wrong on him.
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The horses have been there for anyone to back. My back up plan is Cape Tribulation at 33/1 anyway. If FL goes to the GC, then fair enough. I said Dynaste would go to the Jewson agaes ago on Rogers thread, but you won't see me going around annoying people like your Ballydoyles of this world if i'm proven right.
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Senor yes it is a bit harsh but this is championship level. As a backer i'm quite pleased. It signals intent.
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Graeme, it is quite clear from his posts Ballyfoyle is bursting at the seems waiting to gloat about FL running in the Ryanair. I don't know why. His bet has been placed with the safety of NRNB, something he has reminded us of repeatedly, and at the same time has the temerity to tell everyone else he ''took a view'' on the horse like he is a pro. Phucking ridiculous to call everyone else mugs for backing a horse at 20/1 in an ante-post market. Quite clearly a big time keyboard warrior.
Btw, he has still got to win the Ryanair, though Bally will no doubt prematurely ejaculate before the tape is lifted. |
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Btw, he has still got to win the Ryanair
That's the easy bit...getting him to run in it is the tricky part  |
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True, I am a big fan of the horse and have backed him accordingly but being realistic he needs to improve 10lbs on what he's done previously and I don't think Maguire will make any difference. I think its more clutching at straws but I hope I'm wrong.
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The "mug" part was a bit harsh yes I admit but seriously thinking FL can win a Gold Cup and piling into it like this idiot Graeme when it is obvious to all he's more likely than not to miss the race?...that's junior school stuff man. Imagine being prudent and taking 10-1 NRNB and getting slated? This is a business you fool |
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Mouse Morris has been quoted as saying "All he does is stay" re First Lieutenant.
Make no mistake,He knows he's a GC Horse and only wants him running in the GC,But unfortunately it's not up to him. They'll end up running him in the Ryanair though which is a shame as he'd 100% a GC Horse imo |
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"All he does is stay".....yeah powered on in the RSA, Hennssey and Lexus....ffs he walked home man
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"Graeme, it is quite clear from his posts Ballyfoyle is bursting at the seems waiting to gloat about FL running in the Ryanair. I don't know why. His bet has been placed with the safety of NRNB, something he has reminded us of repeatedly, and at the same time has the temerity to tell everyone else he ''took a view'' on the horse like he is a pro. Phucking ridiculous to call everyone else mugs for backing a horse at 20/1 in an ante-post market. Quite clearly a big time keyboard warrior."
He can gloat all he wants. He's quite open about wanting to mock punters who could lose money, so he digs himself a hole if what he backs fails to fire. It's one reason i'm not too quick in telling people what i've backed, because there's always a Ballydoyle sitting around ready to be chuffed at other peoples loss. |
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Does FL make the gold cup a better race/stronger contest,imo Yes,so he deserves to run.
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Its not about losing money you clown. I don't want people to lose money. I've had a go on a few without NRNB - Sir Des Champs 7/1, Simonsig 10/3, Sprinter Sacre Evens, Lord Windermere 33/1, Houblon Des Obeaux 70/1...it's about having a bit of nous and figuring out "what's the actual chances of my horse running?" before wading in.
In December/Jan when I took FL he was 10-1 for the Ryanair. I wanted NRNB because although I just cannot have him for the Gold Cup there is a chance that he could run if something happens to SDC. I have waded in to SDC because he has only one target. FL does not. Hence you take NRNB in case. That isn't being brave yes but to me it is intelligent. You, Graeme, are all over First Lieutenant in the Gold Cup...constantly saying he will run cos Mouse says so etc etc. That, to me, is not intelligent. There has been a doubt about this horse for some time as to where he runs. The jockey has categorically stated for a while he can't beat Bobs Worth. He states now he won't get home. Yet you still pile in. I ask why? If he doesn't show up you lose according to what I have read from your various points and to lose money on a horse whose chance was slim in turning up to start with is, in my opinion, amateurish. If he doesn't turn up in Ryanair I will not be bothered because I will have lost nothing. If he runs he will be 3/1..I have 10s. I could lay off guaranteeing a profit. If SDC doesn't show up in the Gold Cup I have two stand-ins. In that race I can get rid of all 3 as anyone who looks at the market will know so describing myself as swanning around taking 3 single-priced horses? Eh no..not the case...it is all about profit my friend nit who is brave. If you want brave go visit Terry Ramsden. If you want intelligence go see Patrick Veitch. |
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Bally, sorry but who was NRNB for the Ryanair in Dec/Jan? [:confused:. Old Vic went earliest I think but he was NRFB.
And graeme you are quite prepared to have a 'pop' at people who have backed horses.....Zarkandar thread would be a good example. Yet still no mention from you of any horse you have backed in CH. Slightly hypocritical if you don't mind me saying. |
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Intelligence doesn't come into it. On this occasion a decision is dictated to by the weather. If the ground was good enough he would be going for the GC, so i have no regret in taking decent prices. Neither am i 'all over' this horse. I've had a reasonable ammount by what i bet, but i would have went in more if he was declared. I'll quickly move on and hope cape tribulation bides his time in the race. You talk about prices a hell of alot more than i would talk about a winner.
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