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First Lieutenant, Ryanair or Gold Cup?
First Lieutenant, Ryanair or Gold Cup?
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Of course he has a Chance in the GC. Ridiculous to suggest otherwise imo. But he has a better chance in the Ryanair. I think most would agree on that. So to me, for that reason alone, it makes the decision a no brainer.
But Im not Michael O'Leary or Mouse Morris, who may be so desperate to win the GC, that they are happy to forsake a festival winner to increase their chances, even by a small margin, in the Blue Riband. |
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I've succumbed to a bit of 11/2 for the Ryanair. Could see it being 3/1 on the day.
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We don't see this the same pal . ... far from being a no brainer it gives O'Leary two bites - coupled SDC & FL they would be 9/4 to win the GC.... the same a BW will prolly be.
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No we dont mate. Would be boring if we all did!
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Thing is Ballydoyle you've been cocky and smug from the beginning. In my experience punters like that are losers.
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If the Irish have a good week I can actually see SDC going off favourite
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"1 blondes, 1 sports car. The part you got wrong was being on a horse that won't run in the race I've backed it for. Good effort though, two out of three 'ain't bad! "
The blonde will leave you once she finds out you've wasted all your loot on the Ryanair. You will be sitting in rustling up a tin of beans and some bread, and she will be out looking for a winner who is counting that FL gold cup loot, and that's where big Graeme steps in. "Excuse me darling, Brent is looking for you, and he has the water and beans on the table, he just told me on the phone whilst i was making the Tescos finest meal and putting a few bottles of Chimay in the fridge".  |
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Wow tesco finest. You Glasgow boys sure know how to treat a girl!
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Just about to say the same Roo! Brilliant!
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Oh Mrs Brent, it's getting hot in here, could you please fetch my sunglasses whilst i undo the top buttons on my new silk shirt whilst we watching replays of First Lieutenant winning the gold cup, it's quite hot in here.
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When you buy from the Tescos finest range in Scotland, you have to put it in two carrier bags incase anyone sees it and thinks you are rich. Your house could end up burgled.
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And steal what exactly?
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The content of your fridge for starters.
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Alright lads??
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tesco,s finest lol that tickled me
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naw waitrose in glasgae eh graeme
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Waitrose...hmmm i don't recall any garden centres going by that name.
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Clearly not grasped the concept of a restaurant either
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I'm very familiar with McDonalds thank you very much.
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The Ryanair gamble continued yesterday...despite Mouse again in an interview this week saying he is being trained for the Gold Cup
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Can see him going off around 3/1 (Ryanair) at this rate. Those who took the 10s appear to have a bit of value.
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Trainer interview here for anyone interested
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/sport/2013/0216/1224330114953.html I think a lot of people are assuming that the owner will want to run him in his own race (for anyone who doesn't know, FL is owned by Mr O Leary, owner of Ryanair). That could be a false assumption. He had the same issue with War of Attrition and backed his trainer - and won the gold cup. Which you'd think makes it more difficult to over-rule his trainer. The other thing to consider is China Rock. He is in the same ownership and also in both races. Been a bit in and out and I don't know why he missed the Hennessy (they were very bullish a week beforehand), but he could also run in either race. He has bits of form which would make him a big contender in the Ryanair, and has always had plenty of speed. My view is that if the ground is no worse than GS, First L will definitely run in the gold cup. If it's softer, he probably can't win either race so they may as well run in their own. I think the current speculation is based on a belief the ground won't dry out in time. We'll see about that, but Simon is already priming his hosepipes. |
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I thought China Rock ran in yellow colours, has he been bought by Gigginstown?
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Think he meant same trainer, not same owner!
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I didn't know China Rock was a Gigginstown horse.
 Are you sure? I'm basing my assumption on the fact that the two were kept apart last year and that IMO FL is far better suited to the Ryanair distance. It appears to me that Fl is being kept in as a back up to SDC. Although I could be wrong of course. |
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Don't think he is unless they've bought him recently but isn't he better right handed anyway?
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I don't really rate China Rock as being top notch either, unlike the two Gigginstwon horses, so he doesn't really come into my considerations.
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I'd agree with that, more of a Punchestown type horse, when all the top ones have run in the main festivals at Cheltenham and Aintree, like he did last year.
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Mouse Morris just been on ATR, Gold Cup is the race for him trainer says will not have speed for Ryanair.
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Peeps may wish to listen to Mouse's interview just now on ATR, to quote '' FL does not have the toe for the Ryanair'' Chapman asked about his stamina he then said ''oh yeah all he does is stay''
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Backed Fl at big odds for both the Ryanair and he Gold Cup, my own feeling is that Ryanair would be best but I don't train the horse or pay the bills so you have to trust them.
Looking forward to the Gold cup and hopefully I will be cheering FL home |
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His comments haven't exactly rocked the market, have they? Another Irish trainer trying to put you away. Makes no difference to me as I'm on @ 10s NRFB for the Ryanair and he won't win a Gold Cup as long as he barely gets 3 miles never mind 3 miles 2 furlongs in a Gold Cup.
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As he's also said re the owners, "If they say jump, I'll jump".
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"All he does is stay"...that's why he's never won past 3 miles ladies and gentleman and anyone watching the last furlong of the RSA, Hennessey or Lexus might just want to disagree with that....
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Well that's alright then isn't it Booster.
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Ground at the moment is continuing to dry too. Weather forecast looks promising although that can obviously change.
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Sounds to me like hes saying the horse over fences aint very quick and his staying power is his main asset.
Whats wrong with that? He should know,and it could be that the reason he aint won at distances above 3m is cos he has faced a better stayer,as in Bobsworth and Tidal bay eg. He may be doing you potential Ryanair backers a favour. Not me though ive backed him ages ago for both,and dont get my free bet if he goes Gold Cup.  |
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I'd argue that it takes a stayer to win the Ryanair, and that history supports that theory.
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Fair point,but this horse does improve as the season goes,and it sems his connections think the GC is the best race for him.
I am prepared to wait and see before having a pop,even though i am much better off if he goes Ryanair. |
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And so would I, but he's a classy one having beaten last season's Champion Hurdler over the trip in a Nepyune.
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