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Thousand Stars doesn't go on heavy, quick look at formbook shows his worst runs on it.

Then I could be mistaken but was he running over 2m5f today or 2m?

Was he conceding 7lbs to the field too?


Gotta love betfair forums

Of course, nobody in anyway intelligent would bud.

You can not fancy a horse without clutching at straws knocking beaten horses where horses don't give their running.

Thousand Stars' last 2 wins were over 25 and 21 furlongs on soft ground so I think I know who's clutching at straws.

booster,that was nowhere near TS's running today.

i think flys price will be around 11/4 on the day

i think flys price will be around 11/4 on the day

You''ll note that my comment was tongue in cheek about  On His Own, or would if you had anything about you, but where is Thousand Stars, Unaccompanied or Captain See Bee' s top class hurdle form compared to Arkansas, Grandeur or Countrywide Flame?

Just don't see any point in wasting time typing a repost then you post one then me etc...

I have no care for your opinion. You're hardly Sint, Foyles or bud or any number of people who I return to this forum to converse with.

So I don't see any point at all in replying. Your initial position points to a total intransigence in you opinion. So what's the point?

I believe Fly will win, you do not. Opposing opinions, we'll find out in 3 weeks.

Oh so you don't think on his own has a chance in the Champion?

If you think what the English horses have beat this year is  better than Thousand Stars, then you probably need your head examining.

Rock On Ruby - Country Wide Flame 3 Length.

Zarkandar - Khyber Kim 4 Lengths.

Grandeout - .... Oh yeah got beat by Zarkandar.

The best of the English is Binocular and oh.... he got beat by Thousand Stars.

This is getting silly. I'm a fully paid up member of the fly club and went there very smug with myself for having a shed load on at 2/1 and couldn't see him losing. I had the scarf pre made and all.

I'm still in the fly camp this year, scarf will still be on BUT in fully this year I will be going there hoping, knowing he's got a good chance but so do 3 others.

In addition to my subjective view, I also see the parallels between his prep this year in terms of well being compared to 2011 which I do think is relevant. I don't see the point whatsoever in knocking HF, ROR or Zark as they've all done what is required so far. Grandouet is a different matter however

The Fly burnt my fingers last year and won't be carrying my money. Zarkandar is the winner - why ? Because I have backed him for the World Hurdle
after his running on effort in last years CH and that's just the way my luck is going!! Still roll on the best week of the year.

For the record Thousand Stars has earned £770,00 in his racing career and with another 10 yards would have won two Aintree hurdles also.

So he needs further than two and a half to show his best? I concur. Hardly advertises HF's credentials then does it? The more I look at the race the more I'm convinced that the key to the race remains the ground. Good ground and The Fly will be squashed.

Indeed it is but they have to be backed by logic and you over egg the pudding somewhat in my view. For example, Thousand Stars and Oscar Whiskey are closely matched over two and a half but I don't think many would rush to back Thousand over 2 miles as Oscar has more basic speed. So what price Oscar would be in the champion is irrelevant to Thousand being beaten on easier tracks at slower paces in 2 mile races. Captain Cee Bee is long gone and Solwhit never was at Cheltenham. The Fly beat Go Native impressively as a novice before that one won the supreme. Again it is conjecture whether that one was fully wound up at the time.

There's no doubt though in my mind that if it is soft ground The Fly will take the beating. If it is good I wouldn't back it with bananas. Like you say it's all about opinions though and it is getting close.

Oscar beat Thousand Stars by 2l over 2m the time they faced each other, which was in a Champion Hurdle. Which was won by Hurricane Fly.

It was customary to knock Fly's Irish form 2 years ago. He then defeated every single English horse on his next two starts.

Now we're back to fly just beating etc.. Again. All sounds so familiar.

Other horses are allowed lose their races in England and be put up like RoR and Grandouet. People have their excuses lined up for their defeats. Fly needs excuses for smashing horses on his last two starts?

Rewatch his last race. He would have won by over 10l for sure if ridden out. The time before that he was being eased just after the last flight.

We can look back on Fly's two runs at end of last season at Cheltenham and Punchestown, reflect on all the negative comments and missed preps prior to his seasonal debut in Irish Champion Hurdle. And surmise there's plenty of evidence there to believe he wasn't at his best.

We only need to watch 2 races at the end of the 2008 season from the greatest chaser ever in Kauto Star to see, horses are not machines. They can run bad races.

We expect perfection from the brilliant, but we are loath to forgive them should they ever, even just once fail to achieve it

Ruby had faith in Kauto as he knew he was brilliant. He has unwavering faith in Fly.

He is justified in that belief. I'm sure.

cv, you make a good point re: he seems to have to do it better than the next horse, I think that if HF had put up the display that zark did the other day, he'd have been slated, but with zark,we get nicholls has obviously left plenty to work on, it wasn't a good trial, where he once again didn't travel well.

CORRECTION

have run in the CH last

Ladbrokes are a shambles. People think they're in the know because they go shortest on everything these days. They're heading the same direction as Vic Chandlers.