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By:
unclepuncle
When: 03 Feb 13 16:00
Still hope they run Ned Buntline in the Supreme. Can't see him winning it but with Carberry on board and better ground he would be a right good back to lay.Cool

Winner looks a good sort with a cracking attitude - wouldn't totally rule him out if it comes up soft, though presumably Walsh will be on Dodging Bullets?Confused

Don Cossack had everything in his favour today but just isn't as good as some of us hoped he might be.Sad
By:
bluebirdfan
When: 03 Feb 13 17:52
Did Meade say anything about Ned Buntline afterwards? He'd be a very interesting horse on better ground but I imagine they will just not bother with Cheltenham?
By:
cyclops
When: 03 Feb 13 19:12
The Don looked more like a chaser than a hurdler today; jumped very well, apart from the second, but just a little slow to get away from one or two hurdles. No excuses; the winner could be good. Never saw Don as a specialist 2 miler,as outlined at the top of this post, and would expect improvement with a trip. While I would respect any decision to bypass Cheltenham - Elliott has always said he'll peak as a 3 mile chaser -if he were mine I wouldnt rule it out.
By:
harry callaghan
When: 24 Feb 13 15:49
this is starting to look like a horse to be very wary of...a shame as promised so much, not looking at all progressive he comes with the maximum warning this fellow which is a shame for his legion of followers breathing problem maybe as is finding nothing when let down
By:
hicksterthetrickster
When: 24 Feb 13 16:00
I've backed dc anti post with vc on non runner free bet for neptunes. Time to put it away for season and give me a free bet!
Here's hoping
By:
cyclops
When: 24 Feb 13 18:51
Us followers must face the facts that he is not progressing as we had hoped. However, it was very strange to see him still held up as they approached 2 out, indeed strange to see him ridden so timidly full stop. For a horse that his trainer keeps saying will come to the fore as a 3 mile chaser, why keep running him over 2 miles and holding him up? Ran really well and jumped well but a bit slow 2 out, when still on the bridle, beaten when stepped a bit at the last but never touched with the whip and defeat accepted very readily. It would seem a lot more logical to lower his sights and run him over 2 and a half miles. Will still keep the faith myself, and looking forward to his chasing career, but his campaign is beginning to look a little bizarre.
By:
unclepuncle
When: 24 Feb 13 19:00
He's rubbish - send him to Birds Eye.Devil
By:
CVByrne
When: 24 Feb 13 19:23
uncle he's a staying chaser being run in graded 2m hurdles.

Elliott is up to something, bet anything he turns up in a valuable 2m5f handicap at Fairyhouse or Punchy festivals now his mark looks very tasty
By:
cyclops
When: 24 Feb 13 22:48
Interesting thought. Cant see that happening myself but if it did then his campaign might make more sense. As someome whose views are sound, CV, what are your thoughts on him thus far?
By:
CVByrne
When: 24 Feb 13 22:57
Well I think he is better than his running in Navan Nov Hurdle where he fell when beaten by Pont Alex. He never jumped that day. So Elliott decided to go for a 2m race to improve his jumping, going at a quicker pace may help him. He was beaten by a good horse in Mozoltov.

But it's this run again over 2m which is a tad puzzling. I'd expect him to step up in trip again as he is certainly not a 2 miler, he's a staying chaser. So It's more after his defeat to Mozoltov that Elliott thought stick to 2m and get more hurdling experience while lowering his mark as he is better over further.

The season hasn't been a plot, but I think he's eyeing a pot now with him after his first 2 defeats. He'll be dropped a good few lbs after that defeat today.

So if he ran over 2m5f in a Handicap next I'd be very interested indeed.
By:
cyclops
When: 25 Feb 13 10:12
Take your point, but not sure that's the way they'll go. All his hurdles runs(including when he fell) have been rated in the 140's on RP ratings, so I can't see him sneaking in at a hugely favourable weight in a handicap. Interesting that Elliott mentioned "Fairyhouse and Punchestown" after yesterday. What races, only he knows, but surely a longer distance will be the next port of call. Struck yesterday by just how well he travelled into the straight, but scooting round 2 miles in 3 mins 55 just isnt him, certainly looking back at his 2m3f bumper win which put him into the limelight. A work in progress but, yes, a puzzling choice of race yesterday.
By:
Joist
When: 25 Feb 13 10:12
Can't see that he'd be much of a price though if he turned up in a handicap. It's hardly the most subtle of plots to suddenly enter such a well-touted horse in a handicap after some poor runs in graded hurdles. I think you'd also be taking a bit of a leap of faith with him that something isn't still amiss; sure he's a staying chaser in the making but before he fell behind PA he wasn't having too many issues at 2m, especially when slamming the v. promising Sizing Gold so I can't believe that it's solely the trip that's holding him back.
By:
CVByrne
When: 25 Feb 13 10:24
Well it's not a plot per say. Not like they'll land a touch or anything. I just think he may go for a handicap next over his proper distance to land a pot against inferior rivals then head on to the 2m4f grade 1 at Punchestown to end the season.
By:
cyclops
When: 25 Feb 13 11:31
Would be very nice to think so, CV. Us pilgrims need something to sustain our faith heading into the summer. Still love the horse and feel there's a lot more to come.
By:
CVByrne
When: 25 Feb 13 12:01
He is a chaser, so we will only see the best of him next season. Last Instalment is an example of a horse who was far better when jumping a fence than he was over hurdles. I'm sure Don will be the same
By:
unclepuncle
When: 25 Feb 13 15:33
Can't have him being top class anymore though - seemed to go out like light yesterday.

As I said a few pages ago - maybe he might become a Grand National (Irish or Aintree)type in about 3 years time.
By:
cyclops
When: 28 Oct 13 14:47
Back in action and looks a good opportunity to get his career back on course. Apparently he had a hairline fracture and Elliot wasn't happy with him last season. If that's the case, I hope a new and highly successful journey gets under way today.
By:
harry callaghan
When: 28 Oct 13 16:52
good performance really although isn't the most natural
By:
cyclops
When: 28 Oct 13 17:28
Disagree, harry. Thought he jumped fluently and well throughout, other than propping at one mid-race. Hard to know the value of the form, but if the third's rating reflects how he ran (130) then this was a fine performance. Love the way he glides over the heavy ground. Bigger challenges ahead but a lovely start.
By:
Can't Catch Me
When: 28 Oct 13 18:27
Just logged on to find this thread!

I thought that was a brilliant debut.... performance of the season so far from a novice for me.
By:
buddeliea
When: 28 Oct 13 18:39
yep,i would agree,thought that was quiet impressive for his 1st chase.
By:
unclepuncle
When: 30 Oct 13 10:31
A nice start but then he went well first time last season and then gradually got worse - if that was due to the injury then fair enough.

Hope he goes on from this to justify and on really soft ground he could do very well but I just don't rate or trust Gordon Elliot at all so won't be getting involved with any Cheltenham antepost bets on him this season.
By:
cyclops
When: 30 Oct 13 11:28
Don't think his comparative decline last season is relevant - he held his form throughout his bumper season - but, of course, he needs to build on what he achieved on Monday. Having never raced on anything but deep ground, no-one knows how he would handle a faster surface and that must put a question mark over RSA prospects. I've taken 50/1 but wouldn't want to play at current prices unless we hear that it is a clear aim. Having watched the race again, I think it was a really solid effort and well done to Elliot for sending him there, rather than for example, going to Punchestown today for what will be a fearsome initiation for several promising novices for less prize money than Monday's race.
By:
Can't Catch Me
When: 30 Oct 13 11:37
Amazingly competitive race today cyclops. Who do you like? Been really looking forward to seeing Our Vinnie over fences and seems a generous enough price at 5.8 on here.
By:
cyclops
When: 30 Oct 13 13:03
Agree, but wouldn't want a bet on this one. Clues for the future should abound, though.
By:
Can't Catch Me
When: 30 Oct 13 16:24
Impressive enough from the winner there.
By:
harry callaghan
When: 17 Nov 13 13:51
think this horses fan base must be dwindling by the day...

he has become a snaffle horse for me and a rat when he has to come off it
By:
duffy
When: 17 Nov 13 13:51
That race just then is the perfect example of what a bridle ponce is.
By:
duffy
When: 17 Nov 13 13:54
And despite what gary o'brien said, MA didn't jump great, certainly not as well as his debut performance, he was always just fiddling, the other gigginstown horse was ravelling and jumping better through out much of the race.
By:
unclepuncle
When: 17 Nov 13 14:00
Can't have him being top class anymore though - seemed to go out like light yesterday.

As I said a few pages ago - maybe he might become a Grand National (Irish or Aintree)type in about 3 years time.



No surprise to me.Devil
By:
cyclops
When: 18 Nov 13 10:44
A bit harsh, lads, I think. I was delighted by his performance. Thought he jumped superbly, floating over his fences and not forced into mistakes when the tempo was raised. Just beaten by a very good opponent with an inspired Ruby on board. Ridden by a new jockey, he gave up the outside to no-one and I think on another occasion he might be ridden differently. He was reined back quite often yesterday, as his jumping took him closer to the lead than the jockey wanted, and I think he might do better being allowed to stride on. His finish may not be his most potent weapon, but his jumping and cruising speed are, so let's hope they are used to best effect in future. Certainly had MA in trouble turning in and, while you could say he should have won from there, to dismiss him as a bridle horse looks wrong to me. Another plus from his performance was that this was the least soft ground he's ever raced on and he handled it perfectly well. Take nothing away from the winner, but two good yardsticks were well beaten, and I think there's plenty to look forward to from the Don. His jumping was a delight.
By:
Ibrahima Sonko
When: 01 Dec 13 13:17
that was much better
By:
GI MAC
When: 01 Dec 13 13:30
Indeed, big boost to Morning Assembly, who is still available at 16/1 for the RSA.
By:
unclepuncle
When: 01 Dec 13 13:46
A performance which raised as many questions as it answered for me. I have to say he showed a great attitude as he looked booked for 3rd two out. However, the fact he was struggling and looking beat against good but hardly stellar opponents suggests he isn't quite Cheltenham Grade 1 material. Maybe a step up to 3 miles will help, and if he is going for the RSA I'd like him to be given a break now and not run at Christmas/New Year.
By:
sintonian
When: 01 Dec 13 14:12
He is still a young horse. RSA wouldn't be the right race for him imo. He looked to get outstayed, or simply beaten by the better horse over 22f last time out. Trainer is kind of suggesting the Jewson if anything.
By:
unclepuncle
When: 01 Dec 13 14:49
Heavy going needed if it's the Jewson imo. TBH I reckon they'll miss Cheltenham again.
By:
Autocue
When: 01 Dec 13 17:05
Well done cyclops. After a quick read of the thread you were steadfast in your belief. The extra distance, the hill and usual Cheltenham ground should hold no fears for the Sun Alliance. Bit of humble pie required from some I think.
By:
buddeliea
When: 01 Dec 13 17:47
Well trainer has just hinted that 3m may be too far,and to my eyes that was not a festival wining performance anyway.
Think Road to Riches was the horse to take out of the race for the RSA myself and he jumped better than DC as well.
By:
JOCI Club
When: 01 Dec 13 17:56
Strange, looked like he only won that race by outstaying the others.
By:
buddeliea
When: 01 Dec 13 18:01
Yeh it did look like that I agree.
I know I wont be backing him for the RSA though.
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