Also I find it funny how people are using Sizing Europe as an example of a horse who had proven stamina. My good God, the horse would cantered around for all but the last 100 yards of the Champion but stopped to a walk. Now it is over the much less taxing discipline of fences, they are considering 3mile for it. Can you imagine it running 3 mile over hurdles, it would be pulled up with a mile to go!!

My point CCM is that although it may help if you stay further it is not necessarilly a pre-requisite. As I said Well Chief didn't stay further than 2 miles yet he was a blindingly good 2 mile chaser.

Can't Catch Me. Answer me this, which do you need the more stamina for, a true run 2 mile flat race or a true run 2 mile hurdle. I'll answer that for you as I'm not convinced you will know.....it is the 2 mile flat race; for the simple reason of the greater speed they go at. The exact same logic applies to hurdles and chases.

Now, for the list of horses that never proved themselves beyond 2 miles but won an Arkle....Klairon Davis, Travado, Or Royal, Moscow Flyer, Well Chief, Contraband, Danish Flight. Too many to list really.

That isn't to say that excessive stamina is a negative, just that the race is all about pace and not about stamina.

not flabbergasted, more a case of hilarious pocket talking

So you are saying Moscow won the Arkle through sheer grit. Fu** me, what a clueless tit you are.

No i agree with that part of your argument, its the first bit that has me stumped! granted cheltenham is a far sterner test of stamina than aintree due to its undulations....but to the extent that you proclaim......i doubt it!

CCM, as stated above, winning over 2.5 at Aintree hardly proves stamina. The only other course where they attempted to run Moscow over significantly further than 2 miles was at Fairyhouse, to absolutely no success.

With regards to abuse, it isn't in response to a different opinion, it is in response to pathetic little emoticons being used.....boils my blood. Finally, with regards to me knowing more than you about racing, I clearly do.

* next 2m Chaser.

I don't think anybody is suggesting that Starluck will be the next top class 2m hurdler! The Arkle is run over fences!! C'mon, get with it.

Good morning lads and lassies. Today is a new day, had a bad one yesterday.
Apologies to anyone I upset. Except Eric, that is.

There comes a time when you cannot jusify your position, discover the error of your ways or even win or lose the argument and this may be one of them.
I may be wrong about Starluck. But I also may be right. I don't want them to risk him being injured simply to prove my point. I hope I'm bigger than that. 
I hope those who claim their position is right will similarly allow the fact that, as yet, this point is unproven.
Some of us tried hard to prove our point and we were prepared to back it up with hard cash. I doubt those on the opposing argument did the same. But hey-ho. It's only a bet. No-one died.

Let us see what the future holds.

Nobody needs apologise to me, I dont have 50s and am not desperate for a run which you are regardless of what is best for the horse. Realistically, if they hope he might be a chaser they need to give this small horse more experience of the bigger obstacles to improve his confidence and not do a Mikael D'Haguenet by running him inthe most frenetic chase for novices there is on only his second outing over fences ... his confidence will be shot to bits both over fences and at Cheltenham for years to come if they rush him and he hits a few and/or tires up the hill.

Sensible thing to do is go to Sandown as a confidence booster then suss out whether he is seeing out the race before gradually building him up for a big next season when he is fully equipped. The only people clamouring for him to be rushed into the Arkle against the advice of his jockey are those who have a big price (it is obvious who they are) and arrogantly dismiss McCoy's comments.

These are some trainer quotes -

"He's going to run over fences either next week or the week after and then, if all went well, he could run in the Arkle," said Fleming.

"We'll just have to see what happens on his next run as that will tell us if he likes it or not. We'll play it all by ear."

If they are using their ears AP his jockey has told them he needs to go give the Arkle a miss as it comes too soon for him.

Captain Chris runs in the Pendil next and already has a lot of Graded experience over fences.

Eric to quote AP Mccoy"He's a brave little horse.He does lack a bit of size and scope but he wasn't frightened and has loads of bottle.At odd fences it did feel as if it was tough for him,because hes small,but he's got the engine for it.Alan needs to do what's right for the horse though".
Nowhere here does he say that they should miss the race and if you were unaware of the fact it was in response to the point made that the trainer may be thinking of an alternative target by reporters.If Alan Flemming does choose to miss Cheltenham and go elsewhere then so be it but stop clutching at straws and trying to base an arguement for Starluck on flimsey interpretation.Yes i have backed Starluck at big prices and i do want him to run but you often pass what is your opinion as fact and truthfully its a bit pathetic

Like I said before Eric you're like a virus. No matter what is happening whenever we think you have gone you pop up somewhere with your negative comments. You haven't backed Starluck so why don't you b u g g e r off onto a thread where your views may be interesting.

You seriously place antepost Yankees ... ffs give up man.

Yes I think you do place Antepost Yankees ... thanks for answering my question in a 'round about way'.

Hi Bud. DB ran well today. Don't think its good enough to win the big one tough.
Don't worry about EM. He's thumbing through the dictionary as we speak. He's at 'B' for bu g g e r off and then moving on to 'f'. If he manages to get that far I'll direct him to 'g' for Get Lost.
If he keeps this up we will all have to wear face masks when he comes on in case we catch what he has.

..maybe that is because you have also backed Starluck for a few quid at big prices and declare the horses wellbeing against the champion jockeys advice be placed on the line.