You would be lumping on at the 25s Spirit River today if you half believed what you are saying. The fact you havent means you arent revealing the downside of his chances on here.

If you talk the talk you have to walk the walk - otherwise what the point.

Talk is cheap as they day[;)]

Sorry, lads, just got in from celebrating Diamond Harry's great win as you'll see he was one of my best 3 bets of the day and my postings on Ante Post forum. Uncle, the point is that this is a forum for people to discuss racing not what they've read or heard but what they think of form. I'll back the horse when I'm ready but good luck with your voucher, I've already got the money in today.

Ghizao had evidently come on for his first taste of fences here last month, when he finished second behind Kilmurry, who was the first one beaten this time. The winner was immediately made the new 8-1 favourite with Coral, Ladbrokes and Totesport for the Irish Independent Arkle Trophy after this win.

That race is now very much on the agenda according to Nicholls, who said: "The obvious race for him now would be the Henry VIII Novices' Chase at Sandown but I had not thought further than today.

"Obviously the Arkle will now be a priority for him." 

Among the Nicholls-trained winners of this race was Azertyuiop in 2002, the last winner of this race to follow up in the Arkle, and it was his work with a current Nicholls' chasing star, dual Champion Chase winnerMaster Minded, that made the trainer think Ghizao would put in a good performance here.

He added: "He worked brilliantly in the week with Master Minded, that was the best piece of work he has done and it made me think we were getting somewhere. We have always believed in him but he delivered today."

Perhaps I can help you. In my dictionary it means "anyone who goes round tipping the first and second favourites for the following year's Arkle in November". Let's face it, with punters taking that stance we'll always have bookies to take the money off if we keep our own opinions.

But I'm also talking about the same guy (Kirk) saying he fancies Ghizao on the back of a soft victory at Cheltenham. I've actually never started any of my threads with an insult or telling anyone they're wrong, just stating a cogent form case for my own fancy and against the other horses. I respect all other opinions as I've stated on several occasions and don't see the need to resort to name calling etc.

As we all know from our own personal cost, the markets for all races in March will look a lot different at that time and even I don't know who'll line up.

Eric and booster are evidently cut from the same cloth.

unclepuncle telling people they have to walk the walk rather than talk when he is an arber ... lmao.

I think Ken Pitterson knows all about this horse in the Weekender, to quote, "We will see how good he is when put under pressure". Got a good idea what he means, I think he's been watching last year's videos.

Exactly right,no better 2m chase performance seen as yet imo

good points there.

Over 2m and half Hurdles,which i think we have determined was a tad too far for him.
Ghizao was a good performace as well,i happen to think FR was visually more impressive,and really the others in the race did not really matter.
Ghizao,FR, both could win,so could a few others i expect,but at this stage either one, depending on opinion, deserves to be fav.

Booster, fwiw, im not entirely convinced FR is the Arkle winner in waiting, but as a backer at 33/1, you couldn't really ask for much more on his debut. That is the position a lot of people on this thread have .. a decent priced bet on something that is near favouritism for the race now. We know there are bigger tests ahead.

I agree re Ghizao, he was very impressive also, and won a stronger race.

But this race has so much more to unearth yet. Plenty of up and downs to come imo.

honestly can ghizao really win the arkle a horse who was average at best over hurdles rated in the 130s and even that was too high for him.then was beaten miles on his chase debut .and you can pick holes in his win last time where he beat a horse who couldnt breath(captain chris}a horse who hated the heavy ground{loosen my load}and the other two under performed badly {radium a kilmurry}i just really cant have ghizao and people dismissing finians rainbow cos he got beaten twice in grade 1s what about ghizao whowas some 60l behind finins in in the ballymore and who wasant even sighted in a hcap hurdle at aintree after that off a mark of 135

i personally thought finins achieved qute a lot first time out this season he beat hells bay miles and that horse was 2nd to time for rupert who had to work very hard to beat him and sang bleu was meant to be a star yet he was beaten a fence

I also said ages ago another big player could arrive on the scene. There are 3 outstanding candidates for me currently and Finian's is 4th that is without Irish horses included.

If Ghizao finishes in front on FR in the Arkle (if they both jump round) i'd be (a) shocked, (b) disappointed and (c) much worse off in my p & l account.

If those 2 are first and second, I'll give up gambling.

Eric, so what have you backed ?

Alvarado, to comment about Ghizao's chase debut in a negative fashion is absurd. He hacked all over Kilmurry, jumped superbly, and then was clearly knackered at the second last before being allowed to come home in his own time.  I fully expected him to come on for that run as i said on a different thread, and other arkle threads. I am also a bit baffled that everyone is slating Ghizao but jumping on the FR bandwagon.  I quite liked FR and SR but have backed neither as i wasnt sure which would go where, and can see why people like FR, but he didnt beat much in comparison to ghizao, and both jumped superbly.

Fair enough if you think that, all I am saying is so many people clambering over themselves after FR beats 2 others, whereas Ghizao hammered a lot of very fancied rivals over c&d and straight after people were saying 8/1 arkle fav?? and laughing.
Bouggler wins the jewson by the way