actually dwn it was more to do with me arguing the point that you along with many others think that cue card is some sort of shoe in for the supreme when it is as clear as crystal that he has no pace over 2 miles and clearly needs further to show his best.

no need fella,im very aware that i can be a d1ck at times and just read about glencove and m trix a short while back,bad day all round

Don't give up just yet TFM. I think the pace was exremely demanding and the only thorough stayer came through on heavy ground. Maybe Zaidpour wants faster going and it was his class that saw him running on? WM seems to think the ground suited him but he has been way off the mark with Mourad and Kempes. He thought they both wouldn't act on heavy ground when they both then bolted up.
I hope they still go for the Supreme, he only lost the battle after all.

There is no doubting it was a great field of novices 'catch me' the winner is top top class and zaidpour,hidden universe and shot from the hip are very good horses as well,all i am saying is that zaidpour is not the freak that i thought he was,
Also brigust i agree that he will enjoy a better bit of ground,most irish horses would,its just that its always such a bog over there that they rarely get the chance to ride on better ground,the fact is that zaidpour was off his feet and hard at it coming round the home turn where as the othere 3 i mention above were travelling well at that point,did not have the speed in that grade to cope with those quicker horses over 2m 2f and will certainly not have the pace over 2m at cheltenham against even faster horses,his class and the fact that there was an extra 2f was why he got second,still may go for the supreme but what would be best for the horse would be the neptune and im sure mullins will switch him and let everybody know during this week

he has been hyped on here for months now,thats what i meant.
he has yet to win a decent race,or what i consider decent anyway.

This is not hype. Hype is when a horse comes to the course with a big reputation but fails to deliver. Not when a horse proves he is very, very good but probably not as good as punters expected.
Hype is not when a horse is among the best in Ireland and has beaten almost everything around. That is not hype.

And my opinion remains. I think they should go for the Supreme. They have nothing else in the race and why would they take on So Young? Makes sense to me and when you consider he had 1 mile form in France then 2 miles may be ideal. Unless of course you are suggesting he would have won yesterday's race at 2 and a half miles?

These are recent comments made:

Willie Mullins, trainer of Zaidpour, said: "I don't think the drop to two miles will be any worry. He won over a mile on the Flat in France and he's bred to get two and a half miles, which he won over last time."

Report: Fairyhouse, Wednesday

Bar One Racing Royal Bond Novice Hurdle (Grade 1) 2m, 4yo+

ZAIDPOUR needed little encouragement to land the Royal Bond, creating a superb impression and giving backers of Cue Card for the Supreme Novices' Hurdle something to fret about.

Paul Townend settled the exciting four-year-old, 4-7 favourite for the contest, at the rear of the six-runner field, where he comfortably went about his business before blitzing the opposition in the straight.

Despite a minor blunder at the second-last, Zaidpour remained on the bridle and drew comfortably clear at the last flight to win with an authority that will thrill race fans and unnerve rival connections in equal measure.

On what was a great afternoon for trainer Willie Mullins and jockey Paul Townend, Zaidpour created waves for the Cheltenham Festival after an effortless success in the Royal Bond.

I think he only has Cue Card to beat and nothing so far has changed my mind. Yesterday's ground was desperate.

And also if, as a punter, you back horses when they lose and then miss them when they win that is life. 

We'll have to wait and see Bud, won't we.

still not giving up brig,im certain that the zaidpour we saw in his last 2 starts is not the real zaidpour that was seen in his first 2 starts,just like mullins i am just very confused as to why,lets just hope it is the better bit of ground as his best performance came on the best ground he has run on all season,the whole yard and connections thought he would bolt up yesterday as you could tell by the gamble and mullins raves about this horse at home,he really really loves him and thinks the world of him so here is hoping he gets it right come march

I have read what WM said but trainers are not always right. WM clearly stated Mourad and Kempes do not like heavy ground but look at their form. I'm not prepared to right off a horse without good reason. And you cannot blame some of the commentators when they only said what the saw. Of course Zaidpour may not be the superstar he looked like being but he cannot go from brilliant to rubbish just like that.
He is a very good horse and, Cue Card excepted, look through the Supreme runners and tell me what has better form.
You will therefore be horrified to know that I have taken some of the 30+ available, thank you, horses don't often go from hero to zero, by being beaten into 2nd by horses we don't yet know how good they are for goodness sake. You cannot say yesterday's race was not a hot contest. 
And don't forget we don't yet know how good he is on better ground. He can't have always been galloping at home on heavy ground for goodness sake.

Another novice hurdle winner there for WM. If Z is his best, and he has always been campaigned that way, he cannot be that bad surely?

Spot on DD. Thats what I was trying to say earlier on the thread.

Following Zaidpour over a cliff. Still adding to book. Keep the faith!

plenty of possible machines in the neptune,i think that minella class is an absolute freak!

brigust1
Have I missed something? Where does it say Zaidpour runs in the Neptune? I backed him and Cue Card for both some time ago but I did think he would run in the Supreme. Works out better for me financially but I did think he would run on the Tuesday.

Well he didn't have the speed to win over 2m2f on Sunday, he's won doing handstands over 2m4f and he's bred to win over 3m. No-brainer

His dame is tho

If my memory serves Menorah was hammered at 1/2f before winning the Supreme.
For a moment there I thought someone knew something, then I didn't.
You the one with the brains Child? Just asking so I know who to listen out for in future.
Hold that thought.

Won doing handstands over 2m4f, beating a 94 rated horse(who had 5lb taken off) in the process. Very slowly run race, no indication as to his best trip at all.

No I'm not Tom Segal but I do agree with most of his comments in the Post today. I'm happy with the prices I have about Zaipour, see above, and Cue Card but I think they will be declaring CC for the Champion any day soon.
Sounds like WM is seriously considering the Supreme so that at least gives me something to go to war with.

i agree with brownes, he might win the supreme, BUT unless youve already backed him, why would u want to after been beat twice with seemingly no excuses,with the likes of cue card, spirit son and my personal choice at this stage although i dont ante post beat, sprinter sacre.

What's Segal said today? I've no access to a paper all day... x

brigust1
Any fool can knock a horse, Brownes Gazette, why don't you tell me, and any other forum readers, what is going to beat it

Hard to say which ones will beat it,after all this is Cheltenham!!

But after seeing him struggling to go with horses over further,i would think proper 2 milers will outpace him,so could be a fair few.
Think the question i would like answered,is How is a horse that got oupaced by stayers,be expected to win a supreme.