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Massive season for him; very exciting horse! I'm not convinced he's suited by Cheltenham, but Kauto or not an absolute cert for the King George! Think he could win the Betfair Chase too, and perhaps the Bowl at Aintree!
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hardly an 'absolute cert' for king george, especially with that mong on top of him
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Haha, "absolute cert" - Comedy gold that.
With both The Gold Cup winner and the 4 time King George winner in the race I can't see how anybody with a modicum of intelligence could label Long Run an absolute cert for the King Geroge. Very talented prospect as he is. |
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Well the King George had been a one horse race the past three years, now it's a two horse race, and with one a fading force, why is it so daft to declare him a cert!? He has one horse to beat, as Kauto proved the last three years by having nothing to beat! (I'll give Kauto his first race win, he earnt that!)
Harsh on SWC, he's done nothing to deserve the grief he gets! |
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imo if he has gone on again from last year he has a huge chance in the king george. my only worry with him is the jockey. im not giving the jockey stick but hes not a pro and when your talking about gold cups and king georges surely its a huge disadvantage not to have a top jock like gerraghty on board.
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One horse to beat!!?! Ever hear of a 185 rated horse called Imperial Commander? He won a big race earlier this year you might have seen it.
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Planet Of Sound wins
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Planet of Sound
 only because of you FFT did I back him. |
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Reckon he's a wee bit short of the required class in all seriousness. Hoping Kauto does the biz again |
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5 in a row would be
 and never again equalled I'd say. |
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CVByrne Joined: 14 Mar 06
Replies: 592 26 Sep 10 20:45 One horse to beat!!?! Ever hear of a 185 rated horse called Imperial Commander? He won a big race earlier this year you might have seen it. Surely Cheltenham is his track though not Kempton. Otherwise, I've wasted all these years watching racing. |
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How do you know he doesn't act at Kempton? He made a terrible mistake at the second fence last year which cost him any chance and the yard were sick the year before. So what conclusive evidence do you have he doesn't act at kempton?
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That a side he doesnt strike me as a Kempton horse. Time will tell though.
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No he may well not be a kempton horse but the discussion about him was when dwm said long run only had one horse to beat. I'd be confident if IC hasn't made the blunder last year he'd have at least stayed on for second. Long Run has more than one horse to beat is my argument.
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IC not a Kempton horse..
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I agree CVB, IC's price is insulting. I dont know which of the 3 will win it (personally cannot see beyond them) but IC shou;d not be ruled out imo.
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he was a class horse
perhaps past his best now |
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bit unfair imo^
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past his best at his age... prob not id say. class horse
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"Well the King George had been a one horse race the past three years, now it's a two horse race, and with one a fading force, why is it so daft to declare him a cert"!?
yep,kauto is a fading force because he FELL in the gold cup, some people on here really do make ye laugh! |
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Exactly, can't see that point of view either tbh. Kauto ran a similar race in the 2008 Gold Cup, only there he didn't fall.
People forget he put up a scintillating career best less than a year ago in his second last start in his 4TH King George, when really he should have been regressing. When I see obvious signs that he's past it, i'll accept it. |
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it is pure guess work as to whether kauto will regress this year. as we all saw last season in his kempton romp he looked better than ever. but when a seasoned horse comes out of the field to start another campaign he can regress very quickly from the previous season. moscow flyer is a prime example of that. they dont slowly regress pound by pound. its normally a stone or 2. surely he cant be at his best for another season. but at this stage its all guess work, and he is the mighty kauto i suppose
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Could I table an outrageous view in that I believe his 2007 victory in the KG was his best performance in the race and not last years victory. Any view that he is now regressing is surely speculative, at the top level jumping really is the name of the game - and he was never going to get competitive in the GC after the first mistake. In similar fashion the third last at Haydock and the 2nd fence in the KG cost IC dearly.
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Agreed Bobby, Kauto's jumping won him the Betfair chase. IC's early mistake cost him any chance in the King George though Kauto would've been hard to beat none the less. With Kauto's early mistake costing him any chance in the Gold Cup.
I hope the two of them have another season at the top in them, they've been lightly campaigned in recent years. I personally think it'll need to be a jumping mistake to cost Kauto this year in the King George if he retains most of his ability. Though IC's price is a bit of an insult given his class. |
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Kauto will be difficult to beat around Kempton. But IC was not a well horse in his first appearance and blundered away his chance last year. He will be kept away from trouble and allowed to bowl along and jump this year - on that basis his price is attractive as on form on the book he is the main opposition.
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I think Kempton particularly is a course where there can be a danger of chasing the pace a bit too hard. Though, of course, it is also a track where a horse can soon lose a lot of ground if they aren't kept up to it.
With IC, he probably has enough class (travels and jumps well enough) for the jockey to be able to negotiate a way through those two potential pitfalls of competing at Kempton in top company. At the very least, kept away from trouble and allowed to bowl along, IC strikes me as the one most likely to be on the premises at the end to take advantage of any slips from those who may have gone too hard or don't quite get the trip well enough on such competitive terms. And if there is any regression with Kauto (I hope there isn't), the further he goes the more vulnerable he will be. There would be much dafter bets than backing both Kauto and IC for the KG at current prices. If Kauto isn't at his best, I wouldn't be falling over myself to bet against IC being able to chase down any of the less experienced ones who manage to get a lead on him with an exuberant, or pressured, display in the earlier stages of the race. |
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don't the punters like What A Friend, i feel it may be his year
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IMO WAF has been brilliantly campaigned and placed but i would be staggered if the form of his Irish and Aintree wins turns out to be anything other than v ordinary.Imo they were v suspect races.
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Agreed RCarver
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Agree with both
Personally think long run will be awesome this year. had a summers break, surely climatise to the uk by now so am expecting big things this year. I think he will go for the gold cup, and go close at that, if he runs well/wins the king george i cannot see them going for ryanair. The horse was bought for to run in a gold cup. It actually has had more life time runs as WAF and has 1 more lifetime start than Imperial Commander had starting last season and we all know what he achieved. Think he has enough expeirence to have a go at the big guns this year and is my 1st antepost bet of the season (for GC). |
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never win a gold cup... thout a jockey!
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wouodnt beat kauto star with a rocket up its aas
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imperial commander is ueless round kempton
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am i right in sayin ic hasnt any form going right handed? im sure twisty said he wont run in king george again.
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no good form away from cheltenham
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part from the betfair last year . but ic isnt a true stayer of a true run 3miles 2f . the gold cup last year they dawdled from start to finish
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of course he stays 3m2
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yet to prove it . gold cup last year they walked for first 2 miles. im not on the wind up
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 That must of been a different Ic that outran and outstayed them in the GC last year then |
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well my opinion lads. who can argue that the gold cup was ran in a decent pace last year i dont think any 1 can
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