There are still some casino managers that will panic when a dealer is "stuck in a section" but the rest of us laugh heartily at this witchraft.

In fact I used to work with a guy who salted the floor behind a winning punter for luck.

Nothing gets more up my nose than sanctimonious t**ts who thing they are so superior and think that it is necessary to explain that you only get 35/1 on a 36/1 shot on a roulette table. Ive played roulette in casinos for 25 years and yes I have lost overall. However it has given me some of the best nights of my life. Now you clever people may be from the tiny percentage of people who actually earn a living gambling. I doubt it though. You just like to give the impression of superiority.

To win at gambling you must have an edge. Either work or have a reliable contact in a racing yard, have quick pictures and back in running, or have some amazing bot. I have none of those and in my view roulette gives value for a "pinsticker" as you are getting 35/1 about a 36/1 shot. If your luck is in you will win. Now how many times have you studied the form for a race, picked out what you thought was a great value bet and your horse run below form and finish tailed off. You may have got what you consider a good price but in fact your horse had no chance that day. That situation does not exist in roulette.

I accept that roulette is not a game for a compulsive gambler, but then what form of gambling is.

My problem with FOBTs (which I do not play) is that they do not seem to allow the chance to have a good luck streak and win thousands. I have seen people bet £150 per spin hundreds of times on FOBTs. At that level if your luck was in you would win big. It always seems that the run of luck that these players get is bad. As I have mentioned before I could tell hundreds of stories of nights in a casino where i have seen and even experienced myself a run of amazing good luck on a roulette table. I have never seen such a run on FOBTs. Its interesting that although this thread is months old now, no one has told a story of amazing luck on a FOBT.

I have no idea how the machines work or whether they are truely random. All I know is I would never play them, as I do not consider that you are getting 35/1 about a 36/1 shot. Your odds of winning are much less than that

Mark,

Not only are you damned rude, you are making a fool of yourself with your constant utterings. If you took the time to try and understand what people told you you'd stfu and bury your head in the sand. Hope that doesn't sound patronising. I do not have to explain my source of income to you so take the chip off your shoulder and keep it in your pocket. I feel I have something to contribute as I do understand how these things work and there is a lot of confusion, not least from yourself. I put alot of effort into my post with the intention of helping people who are having problems and you choose to berate me. You talk such nonsense in your post I really not sure whether to bother addressing your points atall.

Its all about turnover. Things happen so fast you forget you just had five winning spins in two minutes you just press repeat and return to losing again. Bit different to five spins in 20 minutes at a casino, all winning, different kind of buzz. As Ratbag mentioned to you earlier, its about your perception. The numbers are the same.

Limits stop the punter from getting too lucky, reducing exposure. With £100 a spin, £500 max win, it would be very dificult to win an amazing sum. If someone was winning £20k the fraud squad would probably be on their way to check the machine. The maths could be worked out precisely regarding deviations and without a bit of research I get a bit lost there right now. It would also depend on the players strategy. If he spreads *****all over the board bar a couple of numbers and sits there all morning feeding, he is never going to win diddly squat, however high his stakes, turnover will deal with him.

Wide - I'm sure you have read some books or attended one or two classes on probability but I'm not sure you know anything about roulette, either machines or live.

Wins of 10k plus on machines fours years ago were quite common and didn't result in the fraud squad being called in. When people are having £100 on a number it doesn't take long to be winning those sorts of sums. The problem was these stakes were far in excess of those that provincial casinos would allow and that those casinos needed a completely different licence to offer such games. They started to 'create' with the gaming board and end result was that stakes were reduced to something more in line with a bookmaking rather than a gaming licence.

I didn't say dealers can nominate sections, what I did say is that they can can get stuck in a section. When their release of the ball is almost constant (spead and direction), the starting place for release is fixed by the last spin, the speed the wheel spins at is almost constant and the affects of gravity are constant then the results will not be entirely random.

Also you cannot achieve a random distribution of cards with a ripple shuffle. Only a true table shuffle can do that. I'm not sure what point you were trying to make about turning over the top card in a deck. Just because I don't know what the card is it before hand doesn't mean the result is random. If I place a deck of cards in order and you give them one ripple shuffle I will happily take 50/1 that I can name the next card out having seen the top card. I don't know what that next card will be but I know the result isn't going to be totally random. Simply because your input to the process (the shuffle) isn't sufficient to randomise the result. In the same way that one dealer, one speed of release, gravity, almost constant wheel spin aren't enough to guarantee a random outcome. I don't know on what number the ball is going to land but I know it isn't going to be completely random. How you profit from that knowledge is another matter but given that it isn't random you can.

I'm also unclear on what you mean by the "spin the random". We are betting on the outcome of the event and debating whether that outcome is random. I say that is isn't as the inputs can be used to calculate, with some degree of accuracy the outcome. As a rebut to that you offer some nonsense that that the spin is random whilst accepting that the outcome can be calculated and therefore isn't necessarily random. Have I summarised your position correctly, if so these are my last utterances on the matter.

That should have read "Chemin-de-fer".

Mark, Are you just baiting or something. In your quote you substitute [i]

To use some proper technology to try and predict the number would not be fair, it does not mean the number is not random.

Yes it does.

Going to the casino now - night.

The point I was making was that if it possibe to get "stuck in a section" then it could be taken advantage of - it never has, so I reckon it's not possible.

The argument about whether a spin is random or not has, I think, two answers. If you measure from halfway through the spin, it is somehat predictable, if you measure pre-spin, it can be predicted so is in practical terms random.

Ummm ... no ...

It's 1.25 you'll be back in there tomorrow though? Hope not mate. I've learnt my lesson on those blasted things (hopefully) and I stay away from them - haven't touch one in nearlly 2 years. Must have lost an absolute mint on them though! I still see guys queuing up to get into the local bookies at 10 am every morning to get their ** on the FOBT. Terribly sad and I hope they are outlawed soon.

LOL SPLIT SCREEN FOR THE CARTOONS ,I LIKE IT :)

In my local T0te shop last week, noticed a guy robotically stick to the same bet: £9 each on numbers 1, 2 & 3; £7 on each of the splits. He hit 1 and 2 (but never number 3) enough times in half an hour to cash over £2000. All very matter of fact. Didn't seem too pleased with himself. Have seen someone else use a similar strategy(?) before, and it was successful then too. Requires nerve, a bankroll and luck though. Would he have quit and walked away £500+ down if he didn't hit his numbers within 10 - 15 spins?

This thread has provided plenty of food for thought, not all of it digestible. There's plenty of half-baked claims, counter claims and superstition. These infernal machines are part of the gambling culture now so why is there no definitive information anywhere on them? I would have thought there had been enough cautionary tales of addicts damaging relationships, losing homes, suffering depression, etc, to warrant consumer groups/watchdogs to fully investigate and publish some findings.

The mugs who feed the fobts will have to be extra careful after the cheltenham results.. the high st bookies are bound to turn down the % on them to make up for losses on the horses

how do i go about buying a FBOT?

the only consistent thing i have found where there is a slight flaw is the next number theory...if a 10 drops in or any other number for that matter bet one above and one below for next spin...ie 10 so then 9 and 11 next...it is not an exact science but it does happen in sequence quite a lot.....also you must have a lot of wedge in the pocket but i like to put 10 pound on red, 10 pound on black, 10 pound on zero, you are losing 10 pound a spin but you dont go 36 spins without it dropping in on zero very often, and it certainly drops in more than twice in 60 spins, so a profit is frequently made, you have to be able to walk when it drops in ...what most gamblers fail to notice is a 70 profit in an hour is better than what most men are working for !!! keep the discipline and good luck ...DISCIPLINE IS THE RULE ON ALL GAMBLING START LOOKING AT PROFIT IN RELATION TO THE AVERAGE HOURLY WAGE !!

.................... but i like to put 10 pound on red, 10 pound on black, 10 pound on zero, you are losing 10 pound a spin but you dont go 36 spins without it dropping in on zero very often, and it certainly drops in more than twice in 60 spins,..............

:^0 what a d1ck

lol. reading some of the posts on this thread is like banging my head off a brick wall for hours upon end. jesus wept

i think you will find it is more to do with buggering up the mechanism of the machine...tried it have you !!! ..nah thought not well dont knock it til you have tried it ...dick head !!

So you get your money back on Reds and Blacks.and LOSE £20 on red and black when the 0 comes up.

lol.

Got to be fishing, got to be.