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yeah..you are an idiot.
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I'm a bookie, I implore all my customers to not play to win, play for fun, thats all they should be. you can't beat a machine that pays 97% or whatever it is,pure and simple. I admit I play them, I get good wins sometimes, other times I lose my head and then walk wondering why I done that, you can't beat machines, end of! There are no trends, no plans, no good or bad machines, no theories, no scripts. It would be the same if you went to a casino, you continue to play roulette, you lose, plan and simple. You've only yourselves to blame if you have done your nuts in them, get self excluded if its that much of a problem, if you're stupid enough to believe you can beat a machine designed to make profit. Play for fun!! You'll hit a good run every now and then maybe but never chase, no matter hard it is not to. Basically, if you can't walk away a tenner down after having a couple of spins then don't play them.
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lets hope these things dont ruin alot of peoples xmas :(
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of course these machines are random, and of course you cant win in the long run.
some sh1te ahs been talked on this thread |
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Win only - well said it really is that simple.
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Win Only - Totally agree.
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regarding the 97% thing about these machines, i still find it hard to understand if they are random, how they can state that, i know some smuck pointed out about 36/1 on 37 numbers, but if it was random this is totally irrevelent, random means anything comes in, there are no maths for this unless the machine works to the predictive odds, no way on earth are they random.
and if they are not random, they are fixed, end of thread. |
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sophiep = DANGEROUSLY INTELLIGENT PUNTER
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Sorry to post in here again as this thread should have died months ago, but I just laughed out loud at that post a couple above this one.
In all seriousness though, it perfectly illustrates the mentality of the punters using these machines. The question that perplexes me though is if all these people are convinced they're fixed, why the feck do they play on them? The mind boggles. |
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maybe because there addicts ??? its not rocket science is it ..
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There are no trends, no plans, no good or bad machines, no theories, no scripts.
i beg to differ after watching and playing on these i have now been successfully winning £10 + a day all by watching how much and how many spins made on each machine if you see someone who has ploughed in 100 pound with no return if you go on and have 60 p on two numbers you will hit your number in a couple of spins because the machine will pay you out because of the 97% payout as soon as you hit any kind of profit get straight off as soon as you keep on going after one winning spin then you are back with the gods of these machines........ if you dont belive me try it but remember bet small |
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^ what utter garbarge
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garbage even
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try it ......... then come back to me
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i tried this today and lost £200... now what ????
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legal action :D
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come on westmead , im still waiting ive done my nut in here i need your help
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right im guessing you watched someone loose a tenner then rushed in same thing happened yesterday man puts 700 in playing black jack last four hands nothing i put in a tenner lost it put in another tenner get it up to 50 job done next guy came in put twenty in three spins later upto 160 :( next guy loses 200 you got to be shrewd and when you have one get off just keep trying dont put more than twenty quid in and two pound spins
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ok i will try again
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ffs westmead...!!! you utter fool !
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lol
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ok westmead i waited until my mate lost £250 then i put my tenner in , i did £5 a spin and missed both times so i put another £20 in and after £15 had gone i finally hit a number with 50p on :)
strange thing was i ended up losing £80 so what do i do now ?? |
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Isn't strange that no matter what you do on these machines you lose. Whilst roulette is a game where you will lose overall, the chances of a good run are only slightly less than the chances of a bad run. In casinos over the past 20 years I have had and I have witnessed 100s of good runs where people win thousands. I have watched 10s of thousands of spins on these machines and I have never seen someone put money in, start winning and keep winning. I have never seen someone win over £1000 yet have seen dozens lose much more than that in an hour. As you are getting 35/1 about a 36/1 shot, if it is your lucky day than you will win at roulette on that day. It just seems that no one ever has a good day on these machines.
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more clueless rubbish,
ive seen a shop lose 6 days in a row on FOBTs, its as random as the real thing and that is 100% . of course everyone loses eventually, like in casinos. |
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Win only - Sp only 01 Feb 22:07
more clueless rubbish, ive seen a shop lose 6 days in a row on FOBTs, its as random as the real thing Oh come on win only. You must be taking the pizz |
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A shop lost 6 days in a row on FOBTs!!!!!
Even Mandleson would have trouble spinning that nonsense |
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how can a machine be random if they give an average payout,
END OF. if a machine was truly random, the bookies wouldnt have them. END OF, |
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^ Really someone who thinks like that shouldn't be allowed out.
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Agreed, it's frightening.
Mark, one of the reasons FOBTs will likely have fewer good run compared to casinos, for the same length of play time, is the speed of each spin, much faster than any live roulette game with more than a couple of players on. |
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Ratbag
I have taken that into account, however not all roulette players are compulsive gamblers and can walk away when winning. My point is that for those who complain that they backed red and it came in black 15 times on the trot, surely there should be only only slight less examples of people who have backed red and it come in red fifteen times on the trot on a truely random game. I have watched tens of thousands of spins on FOBTS and have seen countless runs of incredible bad luck and only very rarely I have seen incredible good luck runs, and these have occured only when thousands of pounds have been lost in an individual machine. I cannot explain why there appears to me a difference between live roulette and fobts and I have no idea if the fobts are truly random. They just do not play like they are. This may be due to the increased number of spins, but if your luck is in then surely this would just mean that you would win quicker |
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Mark, true up to a point, but the simple fact is that "stopping when you are ahead" is a meaningless concept, unless you stop for good and never play again. The table / FOBT doesn't know that you've gone home and won't be back for three days - results aren't measured in sessions, but lifetime.
I've read a few pieces about how the human mind is influenced by perceived patterns, and I think, with all due respect, that your perceptions of how the FOBT spins come in may not be as objective as you might wish. As anyone on here will say, decide on a theory, then watch a few thousand spins at random (as in, you can't watch a few, decide it isn't working today, and give up) and then see whether your theory stands up. |
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HallGreenSpy 02 Feb 01:02
Win only - Sp only 01 Feb 22:07 more clueless rubbish, ive seen a shop lose 6 days in a row on FOBTs, its as random as the real thing Oh come on win only. You must be taking the pizz i kid you not, you can choose to not believe me if you want . of course over the year the shop still won its 3 odd percent. but it convinced me that the randomness is true |
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sophiep 03 Feb 00:30 how can a machine be random if they give an average payout, END OF. if a machine was truly random, the bookies wouldnt have them. END OF, deary me |
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I have 3 in my shop and we're down 4.5k since week 1.
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They exploit the mathematically challenged.
I see these poor depressed fekkers everyday with their stupid theories. Sometimes I try to politely explain but it won't sink in. It seems alot of folk have trouble with the concept of randomness. They cannot see that in the extreme long run, every time they spin the wheel for £100 they are donating roughly £3 for the pleasure. In olden times a clueless gambler would have a bit of time to cool off before the next race. Even though a horse race works on a much higher rake, a single spin on the roulette to a pinsticker would represent better value. Once he starts respinning though it is a slow spiral to skintsville. It is all about turnover and those things really do turn it over quick. 100 less 3% = £97 less 3% = apx £94 less 3% =apx £91....£88,£86,£83,£80,........ You've been had for £20 and you've been playing it for 7 spins, its taken two and a half minutes but you musn't grumble because thats bang on average. What do you expect? Often the poor sod expects all sorts of crazy stuff because he/she doesn't understand what to expect (Exploitation) The trouble people have with the above example is that it is not generally how it goes. Its distribution is highly variable, so isolated sessions will be highly variable. If you were to play them regularly throughout your life and recorded every spin you ever made, you would have lost very close to 3% of EVERY single spin you ever made. For those who never learn thats alot of money,. Still as long as they are doing it responsibly within their limits and having a coffee in a plastic cup, it's only a small minority who have a problem,** The machines are the same as real wheels. They are random. They do not need to be fixed. They have no memory. They do not care where your *****are. They encourage compulsive addicts and are destroying racing. I wish they would be banned but cannot see it happening. Only four per shop, so more and more bookies have appeared, more and more misery for the vunerable. Lovely business, very little to do with racing these days. 3% sounds small but it is 3% of every single spin, did I mention that? EVERY SPIN |
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Oh sorry this 3% thing.....
People struggling with this......try to simplify 37........numbers 35/1..... paid on single number, should be 36/1 Therefore if I cover every single number and spin.... I will lose one chip..... ....37 *****returns 36, I lose 1 chip which is roughly 3% of my stake of 37 ...... 1*100/37=2.7% |
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An excellent post, wild ting.
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If roulette wheels were truly random then computer programs calculating expected outcomes based on the speed of the ball and wheel would be allowed in casinos, late bets would be encouraged and dealers 'stuck' in a section would not be changed or told to vary spins.
When a dealer becomes 'stuck' in a section casino managers hit the panic button. Would they be doing that if the next spin was expected to be absolutely random with no reference to the previous spin? Also why do American operators feel the need to offer only wheels with two zeros and take all outside bets when 0 or 00 hits? Surely if they believed in the absolute randomness of roulette they'd be content with a mere 3% edge. Since in a random world that would be more than enough to grind everyone into the dirt in fairly quick time. A random event would be to take a pack of cards, table shuffle for two minutes and ask a stranger in a blindfold to pick one. That doesn't sound much like any casino roulette i know of. |
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why they call "ponys/25s or pinks/100s play"
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Thanks very much Saxon farm.
Pots, I'm on a bit of a mission now so until I give up in dispair I'll hace a go at helping.... Lets forget all our dark feelings and conspiracy theories for a moment and imagine we are honest and fair operators on the other side of the fence. We want to make a healthy profit and need to provide a Gambling machine for our naive punters. We have a reputation established over many years of trading, we are respected within the industry. To make a machine that was exposed as not random when it had been declared to be would be hailed as fraud and destroy our business. If you read my previous post carefully you should understand why it makes a healthy profit LONG TERM. Your first point relating to using software in casinos. This would not be fair on the operator, the spin is random. The program (if it's good) will predict the likely area the ball will land, the spin itself is still random. The myth about section spinning. Dealers are regularly changed in shifts, rarely for any other reason, sometimes if there is some big action, the house will put one of their better dealers on the table to prevent mistakes in large payouts. No dealer can spin sections, if they say that they can, they are deluded. American 00 wheels just take your money quicker, as the maths dictate. That pack of cards you mention, it does not need to be shuffled, it does not need anyone to be blindfolded,. Just turn the top card over, if you didn't know it before you turned it over, it's no more random than your example. |