Well,i would keep quiet if i had made a mug of myself.If he really thinks that then he is a buffoon.

Yeah well that's what alzheimers does to people

i think our english counterparts forget, SYT is a grass track galloper and its taken track records to beat him in 3 of his 4 defeats, the other, well we know what happen against rewilding.

lets turn the attention to Frankel...seriously who has he beaten to date? canford cliffs? a broken down hack lke his last run showed.

Frankel, champion 3yr old no doubt, but he is yet to prove himself as a 4 yr old. some horses dont improve or they go backwards, just look at workforce.

so schools out in my opinion with frankel until he dominates open class with higher weights.

Did they happen to notice what Ortensia did to their sprinters?
And she is conservatively 8-10 lengths off Black Caviar and 6-8 off Hay List.

a lot of AOB wins come 98-06 when he had $100million more on other trainers to spend,switches jockeys right and centre so maybe he doesn't have a clue and is relying purely on the track work jockeys more then anything.

One more thing,Megsy please take a proper look at all of Frankels form and you will see it has been franked time and again.

ima_mazed66 • April 3, 2012 3:24 PM BST
And you mugs have finally cottoned on that the SYT whilst decent and a trier is nothing like as good as some of you Aussie mugs made out.

Has Frankel only raced at 3 then by the way? Look through the horse's whole race career and he's had any number of GR1 winners in behind in both seasons that had already won multiple Gr1s or went on to, so wipe away the bitterness and tears and do some research. Plus has it ever occurred to you that plenty of other trainers decided it wasn't worth taking him on when Frankel's such a good horse and even if nothing behind him won another race, the horse can only win and go unbeaten and what more do you want from the it?

Imagine that eh, a bunch of Aussies not taking defeat too well and then they have the front to go on about whinging poms......sometimes this sh1t writes itself. JUST IN CASE YOU MISSED IT MEGSY,MY POINT EXACTLY.Do some proper research and don't cherrypick parts of a horses career to suit your argument.

u cant answer it ...

Group or Grade 1 WINS.
Bart C..264
AOB..196
I give it 3 seasons to overtake Bart.And how competitive where those ancient poor quality Aus races.Not very i'd imagine.
Bart 84 yrs.
AOB  42 yrs.
Says it all really.

Emirates Airline Breeders' Cup Turf (Grade 1) (3yo+) (Turf)    5Nov11    St Nicholas Abbey    J P O'Brien    £1,038,462
    Breeders' Cup Juvenile Turf (Grade 1) (2yo Colts & Geldings) (Turf)    5Nov11    Wrote    Ryan Moore    £346,154
    Racing Post Trophy (Group 1) (Entire Colts & Fillies)    22Oct11    Camelot    J P O'Brien    £131,567
    Queen Elizabeth II Challenge Cup Stakes (Grade 1) (3yo Fillies) (Turf)    15Oct11    Together    C O'Donoghue    £153,846
    Qipco British Champions Long Distance Cup (Group 3)    15Oct11    Fame And Glory    Jamie Spencer    £113,420
    Emaar Middle Park Stakes (Group 1) (Entire Colts)    8Oct11    Crusade    Seamie Heffernan    £92,721
    Joe Hirsch Turf Classic International Stakes (Grade 1) (3yo+) (Turf)    1Oct11    Cape Blanco    Jamie Spencer    £192,308
    Goffs National Stakes (Group 1) (Colts & Fillies)    10Sep11    Power    Seamie Heffernan    £100,000
    Weatherbys Insurance £300,000 2-Y-O Stakes    8Sep11    Reply    J P O'Brien    £207,294
    Red Mills Irish Champion Stakes (Group 1)    3Sep11    So You Think    Seamie Heffernan    £374,569
    Moyglare Stud Stakes (Group 1) (Fillies)    28Aug11    Maybe    J P O'Brien    £112,500
    Arlington Million XXIX (Grade 1) (3yo+) (Turf)    13Aug11    Cape Blanco    Jamie Spencer    £369,231
    Secretariat Stakes (Grade 1) (3yo) (Turf)    13Aug11    Treasure Beach    C O'Donoghue    £149,231
    Man O'War Stakes (Grade 1) (3yo+) (Turf)    9Jul11    Cape Blanco    Jamie Spencer    £230,769
    Coral-Eclipse (British Champions' Series) (Group 1)    2Jul11    So You Think    Seamie Heffernan    £226,840
    Dubai Duty Free Irish Derby (Group 1) (Entire Colts & Fillies)    26Jun11    Treasure Beach    C O'Donoghue    £625,000
    Stobart Ireland Pretty Polly Stakes (Group 1) (Fillies & Mares)    25Jun11    Misty For Me    Seamie Heffernan    £103,448
    Gold Cup (British Champions' Series) (Group 1)    16Jun11    Fame And Glory    Jamie Spencer    £154,698
    Investec Coronation Cup (Group 1)    3Jun11    St Nicholas Abbey    Ryan Moore    £141,925
    Etihad Airways Irish 1,000 Guineas (Group 1) (Fillies)    22May11    Misty For Me    Seamie Heffernan    £162,500
    Tattersalls Gold Cup (Group 1)    22May11    So You Think    Ryan Moore    £112,241
    Abu Dhabi Irish 2,000 Guineas (Entire Colts & Fillies) (Group 1)    21May11    Roderic O'Connor    J P O'Brien    £162,500
    Criterium De Saint-Cloud (Group 1) (2yo Colts & Fillies) (Turf)    13Nov10    Recital    J Murtagh    £126,416
    Criterium International (Group 1) (2yo Colts & Fillies) (Turf)    31Oct10    Roderic O'Connor    J Murtagh    £126,416
    Pattison Canadian International (Grade 1) (3yo+) (Turf)    16Oct10    Joshua Tree    C O'Donoghue    £705,882
    Total Prix Marcel Boussac - Criterium Des Pouliches (Group 1) (2yo Fillies) (Turf)    3Oct10    Misty For Me    J Murtagh    £151,699
    Tattersalls Millions Irish Champion Stakes (Group 1)    4Sep10    Cape Blanco    Seamie Heffernan    £384,513
    Coolmore Fusaichi Pegasus Matron Stakes (Group 1) (Fillies & Mares)    4Sep10    Lillie Langtry    J Murtagh    £115,044
    Moyglare Stud Stakes (Group 1) (Fillies)    29Aug10    Misty For Me    Seamie Heffernan    £120,619
    Juddmonte International Stakes (Group 1)    17Aug10    Rip Van Winkle    J Murtagh    £393,700
    Keeneland Phoenix Stakes (Group 1) (Entire Colts & Fillies)    8Aug10    Zoffany    J Murtagh    £102,655
    Darley July Cup (British Leg of The Global Sprint Challenge) (Group 1)    9Jul10    Starspangledbanner    J Murtagh    £227,080
    Dubai Duty Free Irish Derby (Group 1)    27Jun10    Cape Blanco    J Murtagh    £641,593
    Golden Jubilee Stakes (British Leg of The Global Sprint Challenge) (Group 1)    19Jun10    Starspangledbanner    J Murtagh    £255,465
    Coronation Stakes (Group 1) (Fillies)    18Jun10    Lillie Langtry    J Murtagh    £154,698
    Investec Coronation Cup (Group 1)    4Jun10    Fame And Glory    J Murtagh    £127,733
    Tattersalls Gold Cup (Group 1)    23May10    Fame And Glory    J Murtagh    £123,451
    Breeders' Cup Marathon (Pro-Ride)    6Nov09    Man Of Iron    J Murtagh    £187,500
    Criterium International (Group 1) (Colts & Fillies)    1Nov09    Jan Vermeer    C O'Donoghue    £138,689
    Racing Post Trophy (Group 1)    24Oct09    St Nicholas Abbey    J Murtagh    £113,540
    Jumeirah Dewhurst Stakes (Group 1) (Entire Colts & Fillies)    17Oct09    Beethoven    Ryan Moore    £180,160
    Tattersalls Timeform Fillies' 800    3Oct09    Lillie Langtry    J Murtagh    £433,360
    Queen Elizabeth II Stakes (Sponsored By Sony) (Group 1)    26Sep09    Rip Van Winkle    J Murtagh    £141,925
    BGC Sussex Stakes (Group 1)    29Jul09    Rip Van Winkle    J Murtagh    £170,310
    Camas Park & Ashtown House Phoenix Stakes (Group 1) (Entire Colts & Fillies)    26Jul09    Alfred Nobel    J Murtagh    £126,748
    Dubai Duty Free Irish Derby (Group 1) (Entire Colts & Fillies)    28Jun09    Fame And Glory    J Murtagh    £818,447
    Gold Cup (Group 1)    18Jun09    Yeats    J Murtagh    £141,925
    St James's Palace Stakes (Group 1) (Entire Colts)    16Jun09    Mastercraftsman    J Murtagh    £141,925
    ****.com Irish 2,000 Guineas (Group 1) (Entire Colts & Fillies)    23May09    Mastercraftsman    J Murtagh    £221,845
    Criterium de Saint-Cloud (Group 1) (Colts & Fillies)    12Nov08    Fame And Glory    J Murtagh    £105,037
    Prix Royal-Oak (Group 1)    26Oct08    Yeats    J Murtagh    £105,037
    Kingdom of Bahrain Sun Chariot Stakes (Group 1) (Fillies & Mares)    4Oct08    Halfway To Heaven    Seamie Heffernan    £120,920
    Bank Of Scotland (Ireland) National Stakes (Group 1) (Entire Colts & Fillies)    14Sep08    Mastercraftsman    J Murtagh    £130,441
    Irish Field St.Leger (Group 1)    13Sep08    Septimus    Seamie Heffernan    £126,176
    Juddmonte International Stakes (Group 1)    23Aug08    Duke Of Marmalade    J Murtagh    £141,925
    Blue Square Nassau Stakes (Group 1) (Fillies & Mares)    2Aug08    Halfway To Heaven    J Murtagh    £113,540
    BGC Sussex Stakes (Group 1)    30Jul08    Henrythenavigator    J Murtagh    £170,310
    Independent Waterford Wedgwood Phoenix Stakes (Group 1) (Entire Colts & Fillies)    27Jul08    Mastercraftsman    J Murtagh    £137,206
    King George VI And Queen Elizabeth Stakes (Group 1)    26Jul08    Duke Of Marmalade    J Murtagh    £482,545
    Darley Irish Oaks (Group 1) (Fillies)    13Jul08    Moonstone    J Murtagh    £206,250
    Coral-Eclipse (Group 1)    5Jul08    Mount Nelson    J Murtagh    £283,850
    Dubai Duty Free Irish Derby (Group 1) (Entire Colts & Fillies)    29Jun08    Frozen Fire    Seamie Heffernan    £619,853
    Gold Cup (Group 1)    19Jun08    Yeats    J Murtagh    £141,925
    Prince of Wales's Stakes (Group 1)    18Jun08    Duke Of Marmalade    J Murtagh    £212,888
    St James's Palace Stakes (Group 1) (Entire Colts)    17Jun08    Henrythenavigator    J Murtagh    £141,925
    Queen Anne Stakes (Group 1)    17Jun08    Haradasun    J Murtagh    £154,698
    Juddmonte Coronation Cup (Group 1)    6Jun08    Soldier Of Fortune    J Murtagh    £113,540
    **** Irish 1,000 Guineas (Group 1) (Fillies)    25May08    Halfway To Heaven    Seamie Heffernan    £165,074
    Tattersalls Gold Cup (Group 1)    25May08    Duke Of Marmalade    J Murtagh    £136,765
    **** Irish 2,000 Guineas (Group 1) (Entire Colts & Fillies)    24May08    Henrythenavigator    J Murtagh    £182,721
    stanjamesuk.com 2000 Guineas Stakes (The 200th Running) (Group 1) (Entire Colts & Fillies)    3May08    Henrythenavigator    J Murtagh    £212,888
    Prix Ganay-40eme Anniversaire Air Mauritius (Group 1)    27Apr08    Duke Of Marmalade    J Murtagh    £126,044
    Prix de l'Arc de Triomphe Lucien Barriere (Group 1) (Colts & Fillies)    7Oct07    Dylan Thomas    Kieren Fallon    £772,162
    Meon Valley Stud Fillies' Mile (Group 1)    29Sep07    Listen    J Murtagh    £123,942
    Irish Field St. Leger (Group 1)    15Sep07    Yeats    Kieren Fallon    £115,946
    Tattersalls Millions Irish Champion Stakes (Group 1)    8Sep07    Dylan Thomas    Kieren Fallon    £404,730
    Darley Yorkshire Oaks (Group 1) (Fillies & Mares)    22Aug07    Peeping Fawn    J Murtagh    £164,662
    Blue Square Nassau Stakes (Group 1) (Fillies & Mares)    4Aug07    Peeping Fawn    J Murtagh    £113,560
    King George VI And Queen Elizabeth Stakes (Group 1)    28Jul07    Dylan Thomas    J Murtagh    £425,850
    Darley Irish Oaks (Group 1) (Fillies)    15Jul07    Peeping Fawn    J Murtagh    £189,527
    Budweiser Irish Derby (Group 1) (Entire Colts & Fillies)    1Jul07    Soldier Of Fortune    Seamie Heffernan    £572,635
    Audi Pretty Polly Stakes (Group 1) (Fillies & Mares)    30Jun07    Peeping Fawn    Kieren Fallon    £101,351
    Gold Cup (Group 1)    21Jun07    Yeats    M J Kinane    £127,755
    St James's Palace Stakes (Group 1) (Colts)    19Jun07    Excellent Art    Jamie Spencer    £141,950
    Vodafone Coronation Cup (Group 1)    1Jun07    Scorpion    M J Kinane    £141,950
    Poule d'Essai des Poulains (Group 1) (Colts)    13May07    Astronomer Royal    C O'Donoghue    £154,432
    Prix Ganay (Group 1)    29Apr07    Dylan Thomas    Christophe Soumillon    £115,824
    Criterium International (Group 1) (Colts & Fillies)    29Oct06    Mount Nelson    Seamie Heffernan    £98,517
    Shadwell Turf Mile (Grade 1)    7Oct06    Aussie Rules    G K Gomez    £216,279
    Prix Jean-Luc Lagardere (Grand Criterium) (Group 1) (Colts & Fillies)    1Oct06    Holy Roman Emperor    Kieren Fallon    £137,924
    Queen Elizabeth II Stakes (Group 1)    23Sep06    George Washington    M J Kinane    £141,950
    Baileys Irish Champion Stakes (Group 1)    9Sep06    Dylan Thomas    Kieren Fallon    £426,897
    Darley Yorkshire Oaks (Group 1) (Fillies & Mares)    23Aug06    Alexandrova    M J Kinane    £156,145
    Independent Waterford Wedgwood Phoenix Stakes (Group 1) (Entire Colts & Fillies)    13Aug06    Holy Roman Emperor    Kieren Fallon    £122,483
    Darley Irish Oaks (Group 1) (Fillies)    16Jul06    Alexandrova    Kieren Fallon    £165,862
    Budweiser Irish Derby (Group 1) (Entire Colts & Fillies)    2Jul06    Dylan Thomas    Kieren Fallon    £584,483
    Gold Cup (Group 1)    22Jun06    Yeats    Kieren Fallon    £136,953
    Queen Anne Stakes (Group 1)    20Jun06    Ad Valorem    Kieren Fallon    £141,950
    Vodafone Oaks (Group 1) (Fillies)    2Jun06    Alexandrova    Kieren Fallon    £250,627
    Gainsborough Poule d'Essai des Poulains (Group 1) (Colts)    14May06    Aussie Rules    Kieren Fallon    £157,628
    Stan James 2000 Guineas Stakes (Group 1) (Entire Colts & Fillies)    6May06    George Washington    Kieren Fallon    £187,374
    Prix Jean-Luc Lagardere (Grand Criterium) (Group 1) (Colts & Fillies)    2Oct05    Horatio Nelson    Kieren Fallon    £141,837
    Prix Marcel Boussac - Criterium des Pouliches (Group 1) (Fillies)    2Oct05    Rumplestiltskin    Kieren Fallon    £121,574
    Laing O'Rourke National Stakes (Group 1) (Entire Colts & Fillies)    18Sep05    George Washington    Kieren Fallon    £123,688
    Baileys Irish Champion Stakes (Group 1)    10Sep05    Oratorio    Kieren Fallon    £396,454
    Ladbrokes St Leger Stakes (Group 1) (Entire Colts & Fillies)    10Sep05    Scorpion    Frankie Dettori    £261,000
    Moyglare Stud Stakes (Group 1) (Fillies)    4Sep05    Rumplestiltskin    Kieren Fallon    £121,702
    Arlington Million (Grade 1)    13Aug05    Powerscourt    Kieren Fallon    £312,500
    Independent Waterford Wedgwood Phoenix Stakes (Group 1) (Entire Colts & Filllies)    7Aug05    George Washington    Kieren Fallon    £125,957
    Juddmonte Grand Prix de Paris (Group 1) (Colts & Fillies)    14Jul05    Scorpion    Kieren Fallon    £202,624
    Coral-Eclipse Stakes (Group 1)    2Jul05    Oratorio    Kieren Fallon    £232,000
    Vodafone Coronation Cup (Group 1)    3Jun05    Yeats    Kieren Fallon    £145,000
    UltimatePoker.com 1000 Guineas Stakes (Group 1) (Fillies)    1May05    Virginia Waters    Kieren Fallon    £198,650
    UltimatePoker.com 2000 Guineas Stakes (Group 1) (Entire Colts & Fillies)    30Apr05    Footstepsinthesand    Kieren Fallon    £185,600
    Prix Jean-Luc Lagardere (Group 1) (Colts & Fillies)    3Oct04    Oratorio    Jamie Spencer    £140,838
    Shadwell Stud Middle Park Stakes (Group 1) (Entire Colts)    1Oct04    Ad Valorem    Jamie Spencer    £110,606
    Tattersalls Gold Cup (Group 1)    23May04    Powerscourt    Jamie Spencer    £113,521
    John Deere Breeders' Cup Turf (Grade 1)    25Oct03    High Chaparral    M J Kinane    £477,063
    Dunnes Stores National Stakes (Group 1)    14Sep03    One Cool Cat    M J Kinane    £113,247
    Seabiscuit St Leger Stakes Showcase Race Class A (Group 1) (Entire Colts & Fillies)    13Sep03    Brian Boru    Jamie Spencer    £240,000
    Ireland The Food Island Champion Stakes (Group 1)    6Sep03    High Chaparral    M J Kinane    £382,468
    Moyglare Stud Stakes (Group 1) (Fillies)    31Aug03    Necklace    M J Kinane    £109,481
    Independent Waterford Wedgwood Phoenix Stakes (Group 1)    10Aug03    One Cool Cat    M J Kinane    £115,325
    Entenmann's Irish 1,000 Guineas (Group 1) (Fillies)    25May03    Yesterday    M J Kinane    £151,461
    Tattersalls Gold Cup (Group 1)    25May03    Black Sam Bellamy    M J Kinane    £104,675
    Juddmonte Lockinge Stakes Class A (Group 1)    17May03    Hawk Wing    M J Kinane    £116,000
    Criterium de Saint-Cloud (Group 1) (Colts & Fillies)    9Nov02    Alberto Giacometti    M J Kinane    £52,582
    John Deere Breeders' Cup Turf (Grade 1)    26Oct02    High Chaparral    M J Kinane    £861,918
    Racing Post Trophy Class A (Group 1) (Colts & Fillies)    26Oct02    Brian Boru    Kevin Darley    £120,000
    Gran Premio del Jockey Club e Coppa d'Oro (Group 1) (Colts & Fillies)    20Oct02    Black Sam Bellamy    M J Kinane    £126,391
    Gran Criterium (Group 1) (Colts & Fillies)    20Oct02    Spartacus    M J Kinane    £123,129
    Shadwell Keeneland Turf Mile Stakes (Grade 1)    6Oct02    Landseer    E Prado    £254,795
    Grand Criterium - Lucien Barriere (Group 1) (Colts & Fillies)    6Oct02    Hold That Tiger    Kieren Fallon    £122,693
    Canadian International (Grade 1)    29Sep02    Ballingarry    M J Kinane    £387,931
    Netjets Prix du Moulin de Longchamp (Group 1) (Colts & Fillies)    8Sep02    Rock Of Gibraltar    M J Kinane    £105,166
    Independent Waterford Wedgwood Phoenix Stakes (Group 1)    11Aug02    Spartacus    C O'Donoghue    £104,908
    Sussex Stakes Class A (Group 1)    31Jul02    Rock Of Gibraltar    M J Kinane    £157,675
    Coral Eurobet Eclipse Stakes Showcase Race Class A (Group 1)    6Jul02    Hawk Wing    M J Kinane    £188,500
    Budweiser Irish Derby (Group 1) (Colts) & Fillies)    30Jun02    High Chaparral    M J Kinane    £459,727
    Coronation Stakes Class A (Group 1) (Fillies)    21Jun02    Sophisticat    M J Kinane    £145,000
    St James's Palace Stakes Class A Showcase Race (Group 1) (Colts)    18Jun02    Rock Of Gibraltar    M J Kinane    £168,200
    Vodafone Derby Stakes Class A Showcase Race (Group 1) (Colts & Fillies)    8Jun02    High Chaparral    J Murtagh    £800,400
    Entenmann's Irish 2,000 Guineas (Group 1) (Colts & Fillies)    25May02    Rock Of Gibraltar    M J Kinane    £145,607
    Gainsborough Poule d'Essai des Poulains (Group 1) (Colts)    12May02    Landseer    M J Kinane    £122,693
    Sagitta 2000 Guineas Stakes Showcase Race Class A (Group 1)    4May02    Rock Of Gibraltar    J Murtagh    £174,000
    Criterium de Saint-Cloud (Group 1) (Colts & Fillies)    13Nov01    Ballingarry    Jamie Spencer    £38,797
    Bessemer Trust Breeders' Cup Juvenile (Grade 1) (Colts & Geldings)    27Oct01    Johannesburg    M J Kinane    £346,667
    Racing Post Trophy Class A (Group 1)    27Oct01    High Chaparral    Kevin Darley    £114,000
    Gran Criterium (Group 1) (Colts & Fillies)    21Oct01    Sholokhov    M J Kinane    £104,402
    Darley Dewhurst Stakes Class A (Group 1)    20Oct01    Rock Of Gibraltar    M J Kinane    £116,000
    Grand Criterium - Lucien Barriere (Group 1) (Colts & Fillies)    7Oct01    Rock Of Gibraltar    M J Kinane    £121,242
    Middle Park Stakes Class A (Group 1) (Colts)    4Oct01    Johannesburg    M J Kinane    £87,000
    Aga Khan Studs National Stakes (Group 1)    16Sep01    Hawk Wing    M J Kinane    £119,355
    Rothmans Royals St Leger Stakes Showcase Race Class A (Group 1) (Colts & Fillies)    15Sep01    Milan    M J Kinane    £222,000
    Moyglare Stud Stakes (Group 1) (Fillies)    2Sep01    Quarter Moon    M J Kinane    £101,895
    Prix Morny Casinos Barriere (Group 1) (Colts & Fillies) (Straight)    26Aug01    Johannesburg    M J Kinane    £77,595
    Victor Chandler Nunthorpe Stakes Class A (Group 1)    23Aug01    Mozart    M J Kinane    £107,300
    Tote Ebor Showcase Handicap Class B    22Aug01    Mediterranean    M J Kinane    £120,250
    Independent Waterford Wedgwood Phoenix Stakes (Group 1)    12Aug01    Johannesburg    M J Kinane    £101,976
    Prix Maurice de Gheest (Group 1) (Straight)    12Aug01    King Charlemagne    Jamie Spencer    £48,497
    King George VI And Queen Elizabeth Diamond Stakes Class A (Group 1)    28Jul01    Galileo    M J Kinane    £435,000
    Darley July Cup Showcase Race Class A (Group 1)    12Jul01    Mozart    M J Kinane    £133,400
    Budweiser Irish Derby (Group 1) (Colts & Fillies)    1Jul01    Galileo    M J Kinane    £411,988
    St James's Palace Stakes Class A Showcase Race (Group 1) (Colts)    19Jun01    Black Minnaloushe    J Murtagh    £156,600
    Vodafone Derby Stakes Class A Showcase Race (Group 1) (Colts & Fillies)    9Jun01    Galileo    M J Kinane    £580,000
    Vodafone Oaks Class A (Showcase Race) (Group 1) (Fillies)    8Jun01    Imagine    M J Kinane    £211,700
    Entenmann's Irish 1,000 Guineas (Group 1) (Fillies)    27May01    Imagine    Seamie Heffernan    £102,157
    Entenmann's Irish 2,000 Guineas (Group 1) (Colts & Fillies)    26May01    Black Minnaloushe    J Murtagh    £102,157
    Dubai Poule d'Essai des Pouliches (Group 1) (Fillies)    13May01    Rose Gypsy    M J Kinane    £96,993
    AIG Europe Champion Hurdle (Grade 1)    21Jan01    Istabraq    Charlie Swan    £53,629
    Middle Park Stakes Class A (Group 1)    28Sep00    Minardi    M J Kinane    £89,320
    £400000 Tattersalls Houghton Sales Stakes Class B    26Sep00    Mozart    M J Kinane    £229,200
    Aga Khan Studs National Stakes (Group 1)    17Sep00    Beckett    Seamie Heffernan    £91,680
    ESAT Digifone Irish Champion Stakes (Group 1)    9Sep00    Giant's Causeway    M J Kinane    £388,960
    Moyglare Stud Stakes (Group 1)    3Sep00    Sequoyah    Jamie Spencer    £78,600
    Juddmonte International Stakes Class A (Group 1)    22Aug00    Giant's Causeway    M J Kinane    £261,000
    Secretariat Stakes (Grade 1) (Turf)    19Aug00    Ciro    M J Kinane    £146,341
    Independent Heinz 57 Phoenix Stakes (Group 1)    13Aug00    Minardi    M J Kinane    £78,680
    Champagne Lanson Sussex Stakes Class A (Group 1)    2Aug00    Giant's Causeway    M J Kinane    £159,500
    Coral-Eclipse Stakes Showcase Race Class A (Group 1)    8Jul00    Giant's Causeway    George Duffield    £216,000
    St James's Palace Stakes Class A Showcase Race (Group 1)    20Jun00    Giant's Causeway    M J Kinane    £156,600
    Prix Lupin (Group 1) (Colts & Fillies)    14May00    Ciro    M J Kinane    £48,031
    Smurfit Champion Hurdle Challenge Trophy Showcase Race Class A Grade 1    14Mar00    Istabraq    Charlie Swan    £145,000
    AIG Europe Champion Hurdle Grade 1    23Jan00    Istabraq    Charlie Swan    £40,200
    Racing Post Trophy Class A (Group 1)    23Oct99    Aristotle    George Duffield    £106,900
    Grand Criterium (Group 1) (Colts & Fillies)    10Oct99    Ciro    M J Kinane    £107,643
    Prix de la Salamandre (Group 1) (Colts & Fillies)    18Sep99    Giant's Causeway    M J Kinane    £43,057
    Prix Morny (Group 1) (Colts & Fillies)    22Aug99    Fasliyev    M J Kinane    £86,114
    Persimmon Homes Nunthorpe Stakes Class A (Group 1)    19Aug99    Stravinsky    M J Kinane    £88,175
    Heinz 57 Phoenix Stakes (Group 1)    8Aug99    Fasliyev    M J Kinane    £100,313
    Darley July Cup Class A (Group 1)    8Jul99    Stravinsky    M J Kinane    £94,300
    Entenmann's Irish 2,000 Guineas (Group 1)    22May99    Saffron Walden    Olivier Peslier    £100,625
    Shell Champion Hurdle (Grade 1)    30Apr99    Istabraq    Charlie Swan    £58,929
    Martell Aintree Hurdle Class A (Grade 1)    10Apr99    Istabraq    Charlie Swan    £47,600
    Smurfit Champion Hurdle Challenge Trophy Showcase Race Class A (Grade 1)    16Mar99    Istabraq    Charlie Swan    £138,000
    AIG Europe Champion Hurdle (Grade 1)    24Jan99    Istabraq    Charlie Swan    £33,259
    Avonmore Waterford Hatton's Grace Hurdle (Grade 1)    29Nov98    Istabraq    Charlie Swan    £22,609
    Meon Valley Stud Fillies' Mile Stakes Class A Showcase Race (Group 1)    27Sep98    Sunspangled    M J Kinane    £103,550
    Prix Morny (Group 1) (Colts & Fillies)    23Aug98    Orpen    M J Kinane    £80,808
    Heinz 57 Phoenix Stakes (Group 1)    9Aug98    Lavery    W R Swinburn    £73,478
    Vodafone Oaks Class A (Group 1)    5Jun98    Shahtoush    M J Kinane    £177,000
    Sagitta 2000 Guineas Stakes Class A    2May98    King Of Kings    M J Kinane    £171,800
    Smurfit Champion Hurdle Challenge Trophy Class A (Grade 1)    17Mar98    Istabraq    Charlie Swan    £137,420
    AIG Europe Champion Hurdle (Grade 1)    25Jan98    Istabraq    Charlie Swan    £30,000
    Avonmore Waterford Hatton's Grace Hurdle (Grade 1)    30Nov97    Istabraq    Charlie Swan    £25,743
    Chiquita Drinmore Novice Chase (Grade 1)    30Nov97    Private Peace    Charlie Swan    £22,525
    Racing Post Trophy Class A    25Oct97    Saratoga Springs    M J Kinane    £94,096
    Grand Criterium (Colts and Fillies)    12Oct97    Second Empire    M J Kinane    £112,233
    Aga Khan Studs National Stakes    21Sep97    King Of Kings    C Roche    £111,485
    Budweiser Irish Derby    29Jun97    Desert King    C Roche    £394,257
    Lexus Irish 2,000 Guineas    25May97    Desert King    C Roche    £111,584
    Airlie/Coolmore Irish 1,000 Guineas (Group 1)    24May97    Classic Park    S Craine    £83,416
    Stanley Cooker Champion Novice Hurdle (Grade 1)    23Apr97    Istabraq    Charlie Swan    £18,416
    Royal Sunalliance Novices' Hurdle Class A Grade 1    12Mar97    Istabraq    Charlie Swan    £49,585
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    Avonmore Royal Bond Novice Hurdle (Grade 1)    1Dec96    Istabraq    Charlie Swan    £16,753
    The Aga Khan Studs National Stakes (Group 1)    21Sep96    Desert King    W R Swinburn    £116,082
    Murphys Irish Stout Champion 4Yo Hurdle (Grade 1)    25Apr96    Shaunies Lady    A P McCoy    £31,959
    Martell Aintree Hurdle Class A Grade 1    30Mar96    Urubande    Charlie Swan    £36,130
    Sun Alliance Novices' Hurdle Class A Grade 1    13Mar96    Urubande    Charlie Swan    £47,416
    Dennys Gold Medal Chase (Grade 1)    31Dec95    Double Symphony    Charlie Swan    £22,525
    Royal Bond Novice Hurdle (Grade 1)

Bart c has been training for 30 yrs longer than AOB and has never won an international race.Who's the Daddy?

For Megsy,Ima keeps beating me to it.Enjoy.
ima_mazed66 • April 3, 2012 5:32 PM BST
Unless of course Maxim-Reality we are doing Megsy a disservice and he knows exactly what he is doing by wording his statement to manipulate things and suit his own argument.

Limiting it to horses placed behind Frankel but only during his 3YO career means you can't including Nathaniel (King George winner), Treasure Beach (Chester Vase, Irish Derby, Grade 1 Secretariat Stakes winner and narrow Epsom Derby runner up) Roderic O'Connor (Group 1 Criterium International and Irish 2000 winner), Dream Ahead (July Cup, Sprint Cup and Prix De La Foret winner, all Gr1s) and so that only leaves Excelerbation and his German 2000, Hungerford and a Gr1 win at Longchamp plus Dubawi Gold winning the Celebration Mile at Goodwood and the fact that horses like Strong Suit won 3 more Group races including at Royal Ascot and Goodwood after being beaten by Frankel, or that Casamento won a Group race at Longchamp also after having been beaten by Frankel, doesn't count as franking the form because they finished further down the field when behind Frankel and not actually placed.

Apparently neither was the form boosted by the fact that Immortal Verse prior to finishing placed behind Frankel went into that race off of a 3 group winning race hat trick of which 2 were Gr1s because that happened before being beaten by Frankel. Nor does it matter that the likes of Canford Cliffs was a multiple Gr1 winner because that was also before being beaten by Frankel, or that Rajaman although beaten 10L by Frankel was only 4th so it doesn't mean he franked the form just because the horse won a Gr2 later on because it wasn't placed behind Frankel or that **** Turpin was 8L behind Frankel but had won a Gr1 by a short head the race before when beating Cityscape and that one has just won a near £2million race by over 4L in Dubai but none of this counts because they weren't actually placed behind Frankel in his 3YO season.

If you specify the criteria strictly enough, that would be a bit like saying that Lionel Messi fella is sh1t because look how few headers he has scored this season in the last 15 minutes of games on away grounds whilst wearing a short sleeved shirt and white boots!

max..i enjoy taking the mickey out of ima_mazed66 reason i put it up. i hope he got writers cramp

but i did say frankels 3 yr old races and "place getters behind him" not his 2 yr old races. as ima has mentioned nathaniel whom he beat first start as a 2 yr old

2yr old form and 3yr old form are totally different all together, some improve, others dont, and some go backwards.


but what i wrote was FACT in black n white for to see if one looks at his race record.

i like watching frankel as the next guy. after reading the races he is likely to contend i feel they are attempting to protect his unbeaten record but sticking to the mile mainly.

the bottom line is ...

if we were to agree with topfarrier & max ... that SYT is not up to the grade of race aob runs him in ...

then the only FOOL ... is aiden o'brien for running the horse ... (how can aob NOT find the right race lol)

that is the reality ... max   

on your own UK/Irish assertions ... the biggest fool is the trainer aob ...

and that is what we have been arguing for the past how-ever-many-months   

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he ain't so smart max ... if you are correct about SYT .. and topf is correct about SYT ... then how come silly aiden CAN'T SEE IT YOO ...

so who is wrong max ... you and topf ... OR aiden ?

You only have to look at the horse to realise what's he's lost and that is his magnificent turn of foot, and guess why because he's a compeltely different body shape has lost a high % of his muscle mass from where he gets his drive and power due to aiden's I have had High chapparals before and I know how to train them, one size fits all training, plus the arduous travel schedule. Not a shadow of the horse he was when he left australia.
You want to learn something about your genius trainer MAxim go back and watch the video of his performances as a 4yo in australia under Bart and look closely at his body shape and what a big powerful imposing animal he was, now compare this to how he looked in Dubai and during his european cmapaign last year he looks a completely different horse. By the way as soon as he walked into the yard in dubai I knew he couldn't win he looked shocking. O'Brien doesnt have  a clue how to train this horse and the constant blunders he has made with it clearly indicate this. It's a factory mentality if they handle it they go well if they don't, good horse fall by the wayside, a sign of a top trainer is his willlingness to alter his normal routine to suit an indvidual horse clearly o'brien isn't capable of or stubbornly won't do this and I don't know which is worse.
when interviewed while the horse was stillunbeaten in europe Bar said he's going just ok  but from what I've seen to my eye he doesnt look  as big and strong and physically the same horse, guess what he absolutely spot on.

O'Brien's training, handling of and the racing tactics employed with this horse have nothing been short of incompetent.
He has in fact in succeeded in at least halving if not more than halved his value.

And as i've constantly said he is a very very good horse, a real top group 1 horse but not the 2nd coming like you lot seem to think and he has not been ruined by Aiden O Brian as you lot try to make out.

PremFantasy  .. if you ... (and max and topf of course) .. have WORKED OUT THE HORSES ABILITY LIMITATION ... then

why hasn't aiden ffs lolololol ... why does aisen keep falling for the 3 card trick

for example ... one ... going to the US ... after his last campaign had finished .. to run on the dirt vs the lasix horses lol

example two ... the dubai surface

why is it YOU guys can asll see and position SYT correctly in your minds

but aiden CAN'T ???? 

bottom line ... the horse is the horse ... pity aiden can't work it out

looks shocking