What are you talking about the horses limitations?? I said the horse is a genuine group 1 performer and Aiden runs him in the top group 1 races in the world over 1m 2f - 1m 4f, what would you suggest he do?? Perhaps he should run the horse in a 2m handicap??

can anyone name a group 1 performer to race in 6 countries in the northern and southern hempishere's in just over 12 months like SYT has

cant believe Obrien now says the horse cant handle dirt tracks, ffs didnt he learn his lesson at the breeders??? and still admits he hasnt learnt all there is to the horse.

Thebas....i think 2 starts then heading to australia for breeding, bring him back to a mile they should,run him against frankel, running 2nd to frankel is nothing to be dissapointed about, who knows, might be an upset, wouldnt they hate that.

i see ankles ( thread host ) has signed in, he must be very embarrassed about his  drunken early sunday morning dribble on here

wtf does max do .. ive never actually seen a reportable post from him one here ... and the thread's still here ?


and nothing yet from premier .. regarding the furore that would have erupted in the UK if sir henry cecil had ...

1.  presented frankel to his first campaign race under-done (as aiden put it with SYT)

[an underdone horse first up .. unless you are just giving it the 'soft' run .. is very dangerous for a horse ...
they are exuberent & excited being back to the track after a lay-off .. and invariably overextend themselves in the race .. being competitive and winners by nature (well certainly SYT is) ... and
it can gut them ]

2.  after the end of an arduous campaign ... sir henry told the world he was now going to ship the horse to the USA ... to run against the cream of the US ... on a dirt racing surface for the first time lol

3.  sir henry would have been unmercifully lambasted by the UK press & racing followers


... but with aiden .. it's just business as usual ... and he's the best trainer we've ever seen

well the best production line foreman .. anyway 

... all this because some rich old chinaman wanted more money
ffs

i could no more understand why he sold him than i could comprehend space exploration.
Hope old Dato checks out one of his maiden gallopers being flogged around necastle or wyong and think of what he did have.

in a nutshell LIH & megsy ... dato the only one laughing from the sale 


and slabster ... spot on re the curragh ... SYT won by 8 or something that day ... but after the following run in ireland ... aiden said publically ... that he let the horse 'get away from him' .. before his first up run in the UK ...

and after 2 months off ... the same again before his first up run in france ...

oh well ...

The form of his win in that Group 3 at the Curragh is nothing special FFS, yes he won 10L but he beat Bob Le , Mid Mon Lady, Termagant, Cashlagar and Windsor Palace in quite possibly bar So You Think the worst Group 3 in the history of horse racing. 


.... then you would agree premierF ... that after winning a lowly G3 in ireland ... that not even a 2 bob trainer from county clare ... could not have his horse at correct fitness for a tougher G1 in the UK

... but aiden manged to c0ck it up .. thus we are saying that aiden o'brien is an over-rated production line trainer ... and NOT some genius with a racehorse that magically produces G1 wins from nothing ...  that is the gist of the whole argument

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In post-race interviews, O’Brien shocked many when he admitted: “It [the defeat] was more my fault than anyone else’s that he got beaten and all I can say is sorry. I think I just didn’t have him fit enough. I probably didn’t get stuck into him enough at home, and he had a heavy blow after the race.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/horseracing/8578256/Royal-Ascot-2011-Rewilding-victory-makes-Aidan-OBrien-think-again.html

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slow you think .... the horse maybe ... but the trainer is ... NO THINKEE ... lol 

you have missed the WHOLE POINT again premier lol .. yes again

regardless of what the horse's ability is .... in your mind our mind ... or aiden's

but what trainer .... would ever step his horse up from a G3 in ireland .. to a G1 in the UK and do the following ....

In post-race interviews, O’Brien shocked many when he admitted: “It [the defeat] was more my fault than anyone else’s that he got beaten and all I can say is sorry. I think I just didn’t have him fit enough.

I probably didn’t get stuck into him enough at home, and he had a heavy blow after the race.


ffs LOL

wow   

they were clearly just to defend his son who made an absolute ballacks of pace making for the horse

ah yes the pacemaking ... another favourite subject ...

aiden made an absolute ballacks of pace making in our melb cup too

he entered three horses in the race

the three of them were all up running as the pacemakers ... till they all collapsed and finished well down the line

... you must also see the pattern that is evolving ... regarding aiden

he doesn't have them fit enough

then he c0cks up the pacemakers

... while all you guys over there want us to believe ... he is some sort of G1 "messiah of trainers"


sorry ... don't believe you for one minute re aiden and his big skills lol

Is it normal for Coolmore to value a horse at 40-50 million and buy majority shares in it, knowing that it is just a regular G1 horse?
Whether you mob want to admit it or not, EVERYBODY knew how good SYT was in regards to the rest of the world when that purchase went through, they just overestimated their trainers ability.

Can go on about AOBs record all you like.  The facts are, UK racing allows horses to be ran dead and have a group of horses all running to give another a better chance.
What sort of a ratio does he have in regards to winners?  What sort of money is in his stable?

Throw me a few hundred million worth of horse and I will likely win a few G1s with them too.

Simple fact is, the connections valued the horse when he was here at 40-50 million.

THEN

Gave it to Aiden O'brien to train.  That is the facts of the matter.  Can say the horse really isn't that good, was overrated, whatever.  So why exactly is your messiahs stable buying it for that sort of money?
Ridiculous arguments.  UK racing really can't be compared with Aus racing when it is legal in UK to enter horses in a race for show and hinderance value with no regards to trying to win.
Australia it is a requirement to have every horse entered in a race, race in such a way to give itself the best possible chance of winning the race.

Whether SYT is as good as it was rated here or not of course is up for debate, but the fact that Obrien slaughtered it as a racehorse cannot be disputed by any person with a resemblance of intelligence.

And all these rubbish arguments about Bart ****s and international racing?  The fact that the journey between Melbourne and Sydney alone is the equivalent of a UK horse travelling through half of Europe including quite a few countries.

****, we have horses travelling further across the state to compete in 10k races than your horses travelling "internationally"... 
Ridiculous argument.

You guys seriously overrate your racing over there which of course leads to the fact that any time there is a suggestion of a match race, it somehow always MUST be in Europe.
Racing is controlled by a select few over there, as are the races.

The other part of all this rubbish, is that a racehorse doesn't make a racehorse.  A racehorse is a team.  Trainer, horse, strapper, etc etc etc...  It is actually amusing somewhat that people are so blind to look at Obrien winning a group 1 in Europe so therefore must be able to do anything with any horse.

Only really need to look at his race when Jan Vermeer cut him in half and the jockey whipped him to within an inch of his life from near 1000m out and realise the jockey on Jan Vermeer was under instructions from Obrien, and the jockey of SYT was under orders from the same goose, to know that Obrien has very little idea of what he is doing.  He plays a weight of numbers game.  People win tattslotto multiple times, doesn't mean they play any better than anybody else, just means they play more.

lol, yeah just watched that interview too.  Is a classic.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yXRnpUz7Q8

In Obriens own words: One of the best horses ever at Coolmore, a very special horse.
He blew like a horse that needed the run.  "Maybe" I should have been harder on him for this race.  "Hopefully" it won't happen again.  With the benefit of hindsight.

"I was just feeling my way"......

The best trainer in the world, and he was just feeling his way?  rotflmfao......

Interpretation:  "I was winging it and hoping the horse was good enough to render my influence as negligible"....

O Brien says that about all his horses FFS, build them up tell everybody they will be a superstar 'propaganda' so when they retire Coolmore will make millions from them. There has been loads of examples of horses that have only been decent group1 horses he has talked up to be machines but they where not.

Believe what you like anyway, my belief is you are a nation of a bunch of facking fools

So let me get this straight.  Obrien says that he was just feeling his way and hopefully things will be better next time, about all his horses?  Yet somehow you mob think he is the best trainer in the world?  Guy admits to winging it every time, and you think that translates into him knowing what he is doing?  rotflmfao

The simple facts of the matter are:

Bart ****s - top trainer
Aiden O Brien - top trainer

as their records back up.

So You Think - really good horse

So Coolmore would rather their head trainer go on public record stating that he is incompetent?  Hmmm

Look we all remember what happened to Aidan when he came down here before alright,he has nothing..he don't want a piece of us

Thanks and its also true

So it seems!

Ah, Porky the Aussie forums answer to Magnus Magnusson..

Just don't expect to much Slabster,remember where you are.

A coherent sentence is the best you can hope for i'm afraid.