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THE CLIMATE CHANGE MYTH that Julia wants us all to pay for
THE CLIMATE CHANGE MYTH that Julia wants us all to pay for
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all depends on the question that is asked
the only way for Labor now is to push ahead and do it, people will realise the world hasn't collapsed and the support will follow - it won't be easy but it will happen  |
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roflmao
Yeah wombleoz, your lot love asking long winded questions that attempts to extract a slight majority for the "support a carbon dioxide tax" point of view.  |
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People aren't talking about the world collapsing ffs, wombleoz.
See, you just DO NOT get it dyou you? You really don't. This carbon dioxide tax will be lucky to make it through the Parliament. |
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i hear ya DJ - he just doesn't get it [;)]
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It's not a Coalition government failing on each and every issue.
Its a Labor government. Gillard Labor government. From a carbon dioxide tax that the public are revolting against - to asylum seekers running riot - to the billions wasted by this government. Its an abomination. |
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But hey, don't listen to me and ignore the public at your peril. I hope you boys and Labor keep pushing this political noose.....the carbon dioxide tax.....I'm loving it.
The point of no return has come and gone. Can't wait to see how Labor pull back the debate and try and ease their haemorrhaging primary vote. And the votes are going, NOT to the Greens, but straight to the Coalition. |
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make hay while the sun shines Jez, good times for the opposes at present, it'll turn around over the next 2 years
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Not so sure about that wombleoz.
The seed has been sowed imo. I'm not counting my chickens...don't get me wrong. BUT; This government is swamped. It has spot fires that have turned into bushfires on several fronts. It would struggle to sell heaters to eskimos. Gillard has an identity crisis. There a massive tax on the horizon and they're working within a minority government setting. These a politically exciting times - nothing can be ruled out. If by early next year the government has turned things around at least mildly - the whispering will become shouting and whilst they rule out a challenge NOW - it's still up their sleeve. I also wouldn't be ABSOLUTELY relying on the government last the next two years tbh. |
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i think it's a case of wait and see Jez, that's all we can really do - mind you, a serious illness or death (touch wood neither happen) would make things pretty interesting much earlier
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An average of 1.5 MP's die during any given Federal Parliamentary term......
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Compensation
Go up by $50 ...rebate $25 oh dear ...I didnt realise Aussies were so far behind in basic Maths |
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It's a shambles AP.
Gillard, Swan, Combet and all the comrades are on the express-way --- to the Opposition benches with this beauty, aka a Carbon Dioxide Tax. As wombleoz would say - bring it on |
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From a United Nations (panel) documentation
Among the proposals are taxes on the consumption of fossil fuels and on international currency transactions. The panel urges new ways to boost aid and investment flows to poor countries, and to assist countries raise funds from within their own economies through better political and economic management, including by improving their ability to collect domestic taxes. Such efforts would be supported by the establishment of an international tax organization and the holding of a summit that would address problems arising from globalization, the panel stated. full article can be read here http://www.un.org/ecosocdev/geninfo/afrec/vol15no4/154finan.htm |
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and some believe in alien invasions as well Thebas [;)]
personally i think teh idea has merits but it'll never happen - it's all too complicated |
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you'd love to link it to the 'alien invasion' idea womble
... your bow has a very long "bit of cotton" to hold it together though [;)] sadly for your case is ... it's a UN panel stated action plan ... to be financed through the proposed carbon dioxide tax but really what julia wants through her plan to impose the filthy tax (that she has already promised the UN somehow) is this ... julia is just lobbying for an aussie seat on the UN security council (the job kevin wants - and which may have been promised to him after you-know-what) http://www.smh.com.au/national/un-pitch- carbon-blitz-and-a-beer-twist-tops-off- tour-20110311-1br7i.html |
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Thebas, the problem you have is wombleoz is an ideologue.
He has plenty of far left wing theories that make Peter Pan seem real - and he takes them very seriously - but naturally, he rejects your very legitmate claim. Wombleoz is a unique speciman. The ship can hit an iceberg and be going down....and wombleoz will still be singing its praised.....ie "its all good ".This government is in a great deal of strife - and the carbon dioxide tax is one of the many war-fronts that Gillard has to contend with. I note working Australian's worst fears were realised yesterday with the Consumer Price Index rising significantly in March - families are under pressure and a carbon dioxide tax will be the straw that broke the camels back. But Labor don't get it. They just DON'T get it. Essential Research polling confirmed yesterday the nation's worst kept secret: Australian's believe strongly that Labor are out of touch.  |
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we already pay money to the UN Thebas and have for years
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then why the NEW deal agreed around cancun where we need a carbon tax to facilitate MORE ???
carbon tax lol the plan is very similar to the speed camera traps - portrayed as saving lives (or in this new case the environment) - but just a revenue raiser spin |
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tiny bit of the overall picture i'd suggest
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nah more to it than that womble ... and it can be proved
you see ... about six months ago ... actually just ONE day before the last election ... julia said that HERSELF and her then majority government BELIEVED that a carbon tax was UNNECCESSARY ... certainly for at least three years and we all understood her belief that it was unneccesary ... because she said that there would be NO carbon tax under her govt ... that was her belief |
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and then we had a hung Parliament, that no-one anticipated, and the 2 leaders agreed that all cards/policies were on the table in order to form a government with the Ind's.
So Julia's belief before the hung parliament that there would be no Carbon Price was compromised by the need to negotiate with the Ind's. Thus it was a belief and not a lie. |
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Thebas has a factual point here...you know evidence to his thoughts ...[;)]
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or maybe she lied about her beliefs
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It is my belief that you are wrong.
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Is it a lie if we end up not having a carbon price under her Gov't?
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i hope so pal
either way ... when i first heard about the proposed carbon tax ... and the statements that it was for the environment ... well people were actually thinking of it like you would be able to open your back door and take a breath of fresher air ... cause the smog and pollution would be gone ... we were saving our kids then i started reading up on it ... and the story got so 'sad & bad' it was gruesome i mean the IPCC/UN reps are now saying that 'climate policy through a carbon tax' has almost nothing to do anymore with the environment ... that it's really an economic policy but no word from julia on this to the nation then you find the UN has plans to distribute gathered monies to 3rd world countries ... (well sub-saharan africa was suggested) ... while the IPCC states that these countries could probably not be expected to use this money wisely but no word from julia on this to the nation then you find that julia already had a deal agreed with the UN to hand over 10% of the carbon tax to this wealth re-distribution fund but no word from julia on this to the nation then you read at her last trip to the USA she addressed a Commonwealth Group of 50 african nations lobbying for a seat on the next UN Security Council vote ... on the basis that Oz was implementing a carbon tax plan but no word from julia before this to the nation she has likely done a deal with someone ... for something ... about all this carbon tax nonsense ... but don't expect a word to the nation on what it really is |
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i hope so in relation to your previous post about me being wrong [;)]
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She didn't lie, huh?
It was a "belief" not a lie. AFL, are you looking for employment? You'd be a great addition to the Federal Labor advisory team! Please apply, please |
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what if she went straight to an ETS - would it be a lie???
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Labor are completely hamstrung on this issue. Wombleoz, you don't understand. The public saw it for what it was - Julia Gillard lied. The footage is clear cut and damning. People have stopped listening to Labor and details when are finally announced will be too little, too late. Labor's working class are incensed at this tax - and Labor are hopelessly trying to have a bob each way to appease the Union movement - the environment versus jobs. Its just not working The political wedge is beautiful. Sadly for you, your spin won't change the widespread view within the community. |
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she's a magician ... in reality
ain't been done before with a tax ... where everybody is a winner lol the producers are taxed but pass on the tax to the conusmer's ... so they don't pay the consumer's are compensated by the tax ... so they don't pay the UN get their 10% cut for wealth re-distribution ... (well they were never paying lol) no one in the julia pie loses ... so she's a magician ... (or maybe just an old style "pea & shell merchant" at a carnival [;)] ) |
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Well put thebas
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in the end we all win with a cleaner environment i'd suggest
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hope you're right womble .. but the IPCC/UN don't see it that way .. it's just an economic tax ... where the money gets moved around
the producer's won't stop what they're doing ... no dis-incentive cause they pass it on the consumer's won't stop what they're doing ... cause of the compensation the poor old environment is pretty much out of the equation sadly  |
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wombleoz has great faith in Julia the magician, thebas.
Apparently the environment does win..... ......its MAGIC! |
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of course their is a disincentive to keep pumping out carbon pollution - it will be taxed and even though they will pass it on to their customers the price increase will make the product less attractive and people / business more likely to switch to cleaner alternatives
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Yeah, thats your prime example of New Zealand demonstrates an overall increase in energy consumption despite a carbon dioxide tax.
You've already slightly softened your rhetoric. "it will be taxed and even though they will pass it on to their customers the price increase will make the product less attractive and people / business more likely to switch to cleaner alternatives" A carbon dioxide tax is a great big new tax and the environmental outcomes are hopeful at best - you can repeat yourself over and over until your blue in the face wombleoz, it doesn't change the facts. |
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That first line should of read:
Yeah, and your prime example of New Zealand has demonstrated an overall INCREASE in energy consumption despite a carbon dioxide tax in place. |