if it's planned right

35 million by 2035 a must

so what, we should stay where we are now???

Govts cant supply proper Infrastructure to coastal regional towns now...the desert is no chance....I ll meet you halyway across the Nullabor for a latte[;)]

how will they get the dole out to those in the desert ?

you missed my point obviously ... still 4.5% with an extra 10 million living in the desert

lol i don;t think so

and are we still using the bureau of stats figures for the current %'s (a sample of a 1000 lol)  [;)]

wombleoz trying to suggest its full unemployment because its about the ONLY FKN THING that this government has to hold onto as some sort of ACHIEVEMENT.......

Of course unemployment was a lot lower under the Coalition.

The desperation we're seeing from wombleoz is astronomical.

The way to wombleoz's heart is through his ideology.



Heard AWU boss Paul Howes on radio today (discussing the effects of a carbon dioxide tax on everyday Australians) saying that he doesn't understand how useful compensation will be if you don't have a job...

The Union movement clearly echoing the wise words of Opposition Leader, Tony Abbott.

Australian's are steeling themselves - as they know (and Newspoll continues the theme) that this government - with time left on the clock is about to go from BAD to WORSE.

Was talking to a bloke today after work at pub who works two weeks on, two weeks off in the Mines in Queensland - his on great money, good conditions, and really well looked after.

Business is booming.  But these people trying to better themselves and their families are in fear of this carbon dioxide tax - and I think as people realise that the benefits from this tax are speculative at best - it adds insult to injury

As I said to this bloke today, the only way to get this country back on track and to truncate this brazen grab for cash and wealth redistributing (from a government that has wasted billions) is to CHANGE THE GOVERNMENT.

And thats to change the government

Maybe you think your Tony Jones or something wombleoz.....[smiley:crazy][smiley:crazy][smiley:crazy]

Got bad news for you, your not.

I'll take that as a comment.

Howes is a clown



Wasn't long ago you thought the sun shined out of his rear.

Unbelievable[smiley:crazy]

I'm with Julia Gillard on this.

A sustainable Australia for me thankyou.

Problem with your plan, is it would likely involve an open border plan with no checks and balances.

Naive, foolish and it would appear nothing learnt from the grave mistakes made by nations such as the UK, in terms of multiculturalism.

Disagree with wombleoz and he'll insinuate that you support the white Australia policy.

Broaden your mind wombleoz.

I know in your world everything "sorts itself out" and "its all good" and "i'd suggest it'll be fine".......well I have some bad news for you.

Life is not so simple.

Do you know there are parts of the UK with Sharia Law in place? 

I heard a left wing commentator from the UK talking on the BBC over the weekend talking about the serious mistakes made with multiculturalism in the UK.

You can scoff and imply that I'm a racist, which is absolute nonsense - but its a big bad world out there and some things DON'T always "sort themselves out" for the best.

Ever heard of saying:  its ok to make a mistake, as long as you learn from it.

i know you aren't a racist Jez, just a Liberal dog whistler

fear, fear, fear

can't we just enjoy life and not be scared everything is going to be farked when things aren't half bad IMO

Before you let the masses in Womble ...can I sugesst you organise a oath to be signed that as a citizen of this country, tempoary or other, that we abide by a secular state 1st .... might stop the dog whistlers as you put it[;)]

Voters abandon Julia Gillard's carbon pricing plan

EXCLUSIVE Dennis Shanahan, Political editor
From:The Australian
May 04, 2011

VOTERS are overwhelmingly against Julia Gillard's carbon tax after a sharp fall in support in the past two months among the young, families, women and even Labor supporters.

As Tony Abbott continues to campaign against the tax, the latest Newspoll survey reveals 60 per cent of voters are opposed to the government's plan to put a price on carbon next year and only 30 per cent remain in favour.

Since the election last year, opposition to a carbon price has been rising and jumped after the Prime Minister announced in late February that she planned to introduce a carbon tax from July 1 next year ahead of a full emissions trading scheme in three to five years.

The latest Newspoll survey, taken exclusively for The Australian last weekend, shows that voters are not only against the carbon tax on a ratio of two-to-one, but that opposition to the plan is far more intense than the support for it. Of the 60 per cent opposed to the carbon tax, 39 per cent are "strongly against", but of the 30 per cent for the plan only 12 per cent are "strongly in favour".

The opposition to the plan has been intensifying since Ms Gillard's February announcement she would break an election pledge and introduce a carbon tax, mirroring a fall in personal approval for the Prime Minister and Labor's primary vote.

Ms Gillard yesterday vowed to press head with the carbon tax plan despite poor polling and the campaign from the Opposition Leader. "I'm interested in the policy cycle not the political cycle," Ms Gillard said.

The Prime Minister will tonight meet industry and business leaders over dinner at Kirribilli House in Sydney after several chief executives publicly joined Australian Workers Union national secretary Paul Howes in calling for industry exemptions from the tax to protect jobs.

Responding to a Newspoll survey in The Australian yesterday, which showed Labor's primary vote at 33 per cent and her own satisfaction rating at a new low of 38 per cent, Ms Gillard conceded she had "a lot of hard work to do as Prime Minister".

Mr Abbott - whose satisfaction rose six percentage points to 42 per cent in the past month as he campaigned against the carbon tax - said the "field evidence" was that people were concerned about the rising cost of living and the carbon tax.

"I think it's the good sense, the common sense, of the worker which is coming to the fore here," Mr Abbott said in Sydney.

"The Australian worker understands that smart governments don't make difficult situations worse by piling on unnecessary new costs and that's what this government is doing."

In December last year, a Newspoll survey found sentiment was evenly split on a carbon price that would push up energy costs, with 47 per cent in favour and 49 per cent against.

In March, after Ms Gillard's carbon tax announcement, opposition jumped to 53 per cent and support fell to 42 per cent.

In that survey, 59 per cent of ALP voters still supported the carbon price and younger voters and the family belt were evenly split, with those over 50 being most opposed at 60 per cent.

Last weekend, in response to a slightly different question, overall opposition to the carbon pricing plan was 60 per cent and support was down to 30 per cent after big jumps in opposition among younger voters, families and Labor Party supporters.

The Newspoll survey shows that the 35-49 age group - the group most likely to have families and mortgages - has overtaken older voters as the group most opposed to the carbon tax, with 64 per cent against and 30 per cent in favour.

Among voters aged 18-34, a clear majority of 55 per cent were opposed to the carbon plan, with 32 per cent in favour.

Labor voters were split, with 49 per cent supporting and 41 per cent against the plan.

or alternatively - ask this question - if the vast majority believe in climate change, why don't we have a moral obligation to take action???

Womble : let me re-paraphrase: " If the vast majority believe in Muslim law...do we have a obligation to take action?"[;)]

Ziggys utube post got me thinking ...especially the vids on Sweden and England

i.e. 72% believe humans play a part in climate change

amazing what a propoganda machine can get people to say in a survey

do these 72% of people believe that humans play a 72% part in climate change

or maybe a 1% part in climate change

belief is a funny thing ... i mean even julia believes the following in relation to the proposed carbon dioxide tax

I'm interested in the policy cycle not the political cycle," Ms Gillard said.

yet a day before the last election she stated her policy was this ...

there will be no carbon tax under my govt

then for political expediency she is now pushing the tax barrow full swing after a political deal with the greens in her minority govt

yeah ... she believes in policy over politics ... lol    [;)]

or alternatively - ask this question - if the vast majority believe in climate change, why don't we have a moral obligation to take action???

Here we go, wombleoz, playing dumb - like as if he hasn't pulled out the "moral" card a thousand times on this thread.

I don't mind action on climate change, regardless of whether I agree with climate change or not - less pollution, I agree, is a good thing.

Your trying to frame anyone who condemns this carbon dioxide tax as not being in favour of action on climate change - its typical spin and tricks from you wombleoz.

I know that Australian's want action.
But what they don't want is a great big tax;
that does NOTHING for the environment.

Gillard not only lied, but she took the public for mugs, ignoring the status quo effect of a carbon dioxide tax that has been proven overseas - but Australian's are not fools.

No one's listening anymore.
Australian's aren't listening to Labor or Gillard.

Howard did the right thing by the people when he proposed and implemented the GST - he took it to the people, number one - but number two - the Liberal Party KNEW they would lose seats with this tax proposal.

Fast forward to this weak and collapsing Gillard Labor government with the Greens interfering and Lee Rhiannon to join the club --- Gillard and Co have NO seats that they can afford to lose and NO political capital up their sleeves.

May I say God Save the Queen, because, I doubt, anything can save Gillard Labor

Thats right wombleoz.

JuLIAR and Labor say the Coalition costings are out of whack so it must be so.



You'd rather a tax that will do nothing for the environment and move the wealth around - the latter being your main focus.

Oh we know what you love about this scheme wombleoz - don't you worry.

An inefficient tax from a weak government that couldn't sell heaters to eskimo's or a scheme that is paid for from consolidated revenue and will achieve real results ???

A tax system that will attack the cost of living or a plan to do something where we will actually see environmental benefits ???

Sad to see how blinded one can be by fanatic ideology, wombleoz.

And before you hark back to the discrepencies in 2010 between Treasury's forecast Coalition surplus and the Coalition's own analysis - why was it that Labor submitted their costings for their election promises (including the NBN) on election eve at 10pm?

Was it because they KNEW they would be inaccurate and that the numbers would blowout and that nothing can compare to the modelling and analysis of an entire public service department running over the numbers and cross-checking?

You are such a hypocrite.

......for fvck sake....[:o][smiley:crazy][:x]

where do you think consolidated revenue comes from Jez??? [smiley:crazy]

Windsor out there today so he won't back a carbon tax that just churns money so expect something pretty efficient i'd suggest, Windsor and the Greens to take care of it

check out the figures on how much carbon soil can hold then look at what the liberals are proposing