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THE CLIMATE CHANGE MYTH that Julia wants us all to pay for
THE CLIMATE CHANGE MYTH that Julia wants us all to pay for
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it's a UN ratified plan womble ... signed in 1992
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google it .. its where nations including oz say they will protect their environment
agenda21 (21=21st century) is to protect the environment according the UN doesn't say anywhere in 1992 that they could tax nation's though ... and redistribute monies what is happening now is a NEW UN plan that doesn't have any charter that i can find good plan tho ... the money grab ... if you can dupe countries into going along with it |
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a global problem needs a global solution IMO
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an IMF problem ... needs a global financial solution IMO
euro fkd .. US fkd .. oz doing ok through our national savings ... and potentially in the future due to our trade ties with china hey .. australia look like a soft target .. lets get then to hand over some of their wealth to a proiject ... that is a trick ... oz are in for a small mini boom ... let's get their money in the pot quick ... come on in julia |
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ok then, i think they have bigger fish to fry Thebas
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now they want our fish as well ... ffs
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You dont need a tax to move to renewables ....give massive tax breaks etc to renewable energy industries and .....wait for big oil industries to whinge for a bit ...then they will change ....fkn simple and yes Womble ...pay it out of consolidated revenue instead of fkn pink batts programs
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doom and gloom merchants fail to comment on BHP's announcement of $43 billion in new investment in full expectation of having to pay mining and carbon taxes
oh no, the world's at an end [smiley:crazy] |
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roflmao, nice try wombleoz, but the investment is NOT in a carbon-intensive industry
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womble whilst quick to take shots at the so called 'shock jocks' for twisting facts (in his view), would never ever let twisted facts happen in his reporting......
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news for you Jez, that's a good thing - cleaner the better
goes against your scare campaign though, so no good to talk about the end of the world is nigh [smiley:crazy] |
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talk about scare campaign , listen to the dribble coming from swans mouth recently , i cant remember ANYTHING positive
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he said last night he'd rather be here than anywhere else, we're cruising compared to most
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But your point is fruitless wombleoz.
The world is not about to end - but Australian's are about to be slammed by even more bad policy, from a very bad government. I know you accept mediocrity. I don't. And the Australian people don't. You say we're cruising yet you ignore the history of Rudd-Gillard Labor - and the ongoing debacles, scandals and policy failures that plague this administration. Your naive and in denial imo. |
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The fruitless point in relation to a non-carbon intensive industry.
How are they going to pay a carbon tax when its a non-intensive carbon industry......[smiley:crazy] More spin and tricks from wombleoz. |
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were cruising along
borrowing $100M a day - no worries says womble  he just doesnt fkn get it |
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mining tax anyone???
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$100m a day in debt courtesy of a Gillard Labor...anyone???
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wombleoz
he said last night he'd rather be here than anywhere else, we're cruising compared to most yes and most of us are "cruising " compare to Ivan Milat. not a really relevant comparision is it? how about this comparision-- you killed 10 and I only killed 5.Therefore I'm a nicer person than you.  comparisons of evil still means the act is evil womble. this is your logic- I'm 4 foot 5 and your 5 foot.Therefore -you are " tall" mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm as Jez said- you accept mediocrity.Crap is still crap womble, "good " crap is still crap. |
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so what are we meant to compare ourselves to? Mars?? [smiley:crazy]
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ffs
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crap is always crap and dropkicks will always be dropkicks. |
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wombleoz
he said last night he'd rather be here than anywhere else, we're cruising compared to most did he mention where he wouldn't like to be ... was there a comment on europe & the US lol did he mention how well the IMF are travelling ... or their needs for a top up (come on in julia and the carbon tax) of course he/you wouldn't want to be anywhere else ... his challenge is to not let his leader fk it for all of us |
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wombleoz
so what are we meant to compare ourselves to? Mars?? we should compare ourselves to what we COULD BE if things were done properly. |
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you can't ignore the rest of the world Mrben - they do impact us, just ask Thebas [;)]
sure some things could be better but we're not doing too badly overall IMO |
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What about me ffs........I fell asleep yesty just before ur tip won at Goulb ffs...not happy WD ...I realise u won't get this message till late this arvo because of ur habits...have a good sleep rip lol ffs fk me fff lol
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House of Cards IMO....
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An interesting point of view from Liberal WA Premier, Colin Barnett - would it be political suicide for Labor to retreat from a carbon tax? - or would it be a blessing in disguise if it is "voted down" by a certain few independents. Wouldn't surprise me.
Barnett says carbon tax will be dumped Thu Apr 21, 2011 / ABC News Online WA Premier Colin Barnett says Julia Gillard will eventually ditch the carbon tax The West Australian Premier Colin Barnett says the Prime Minister Julia Gillard will eventually ditch the carbon tax proposal because it is impossible to sell to the public. Mr Barnett has again voiced his opposition to the policy and says it is nonsensical to suggest a new tax can be introduced without losing jobs. Mr Barnett has told Fairfax Radio that the carbon tax is now being discussed as a new welfare scheme, instead of one that will reduce carbon emissions. "It's an impossible thing to sell politically," he said. "I don't think the members of parliament in Canberra will understand it and they won't be able to convince their constituents. "That will be Julia Gillard's problem." |
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Mr Barnett has told Fairfax Radio that the carbon tax is now being discussed as a new welfare scheme, instead of one that will reduce carbon emissions.
To borrow one of lazza's words BANG!!!! The Premier is spot on with this point. |
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Carbon tax 'a scapegoat' for power bill rises
abc On Thursday 21 April 2011, 7:01 EST The Climate Institute says a $25 per tonne carbon price would cost the average household less than $4 a week on its electricity bill. A new study released by the institute found electricity prices are already increasing because of rising infrastructure costs and network upgrades. It says that translates to an extra $7.80 a week to household bills on average, as opposed to the cost of a carbon price, which at $25 per tonne adds an extra $3.86. "The actual impact, if we do get on with the job [of pricing carbon], is around the cost of a sausage sizzle a week for households and that's before any of the support kicks in," Climate Institute chief executive John Connor said. The research also ranked Australia's electricity sector as one of the 10 most polluting power sectors on the planet, alongside Botswana, Cambodia and Estonia. Mr Connor says the proposed carbon price is being made a scapegoat in a campaign of misinformation. "The main driver of recent power price increases and coming power price increases is the cost of the poles and the wires that haven't been invested in for some time," he said. "That's dwarfing other impacts, and certainly dwarfs the impacts of taking action on pollution and climate change." |
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Well fk me, if the Climate Institute says it (trying to protect their own backsides and retain legitimacy) - it MUST BE TRUE ffs
roflmao |
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As opposed to ABBOTT JEZ and the Liberal Party
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Who cares what Treasury modelling says or economists across the nation show as being the REAL costs of a carbon dioxide tax - lets take the gospel word from THE CLIMATE INSTITUTE
What next, they going to tell us a carbon dioxide tax is ALL ABOUT THE ENVIRONMENT........lol |
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Tony Abbott and the Coalition reject a Carbon Dioxide Tax that will punish the economy, jobs, families, workers and attack our way of life - and not the mention the environmental outcomes.
The Coalition has a REAL plan, with REAL outcomes that wil actually make a difference to the environment - not just move money from working families pockets to Centrelink customers pockets. Labor's tax is just that - its a TAX - and a BIG one. Looked at the polls recently AFL? I'm pretty sure the public agree that this carbon dioxide tax is an absolute and complete FURPHY. |
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PM's carbon test for business
Michelle Grattan April 20, 2011 www.GFT.com.au JULIA Gillard has challenged big business to declare whether it supports Australia's bipartisan 5 per cent emission reduction target and a market-based approach to get there. The Prime Minister has also warned business and unions not to ''rattle her cage'' with false claims. In a letter to Business Council of Australia president Graham Bradley, Ms Gillard said the introduction of a carbon price ''is a vital economic reform''. Noting Australia's target of reducing emissions by 5 per cent by 2020, she writes: ''I would appreciate it if, on behalf of the BCA, you are able to indicate whether or not you support [it]. I would also appreciate your views on whether the BCA agrees that the preferred means of achieving this unconditional target is through using a market mechanism to put a price on carbon.'' Ms Gillard, who leaves today for a fortnight overseas that will take her out of the day-to-day carbon debate, told The Age she was confident people would see the carbon issue differently when the scheme was in place and they had ''lived experience''. People did want action on climate change, she said, but cost-of-living pressures had weighed more acutely on them, particularly with increasing utility bills. ''Two important things will happen over the next 15, 16 months. One: people will get the details [of compensation] and they will be able to do their own calculations. Two: they will end up with lived experience of this scheme after it comes into effect on July 1 2012,'' Ms Gillard said in a pre-trip interview. This week's Age/Nielsen poll showed 59 per cent opposed to the carbon price. An Essential Research poll found 49 per cent were opposed - which fell to 33 per cent when people were asked their attitude if the money collected from polluters was used to compensate low and middle-income earners and small businesses. Ms Gillard's letter was sent in response to a BCA letter saying reductions in Australian emissions would have limited consequences for global gas levels and that Australia should act in tandem with the world and not ahead of it. Many other countries, however, have already taken action. The BCA has previously acknowledged the bipartisan targets. It supports a market approach. It had no comment last night. There is speculation the package of compensation for households and industry, which will be announced after the May 10 budget, will amount to an economic statement because of its size. Ms Gillard said ''it doesn't affect this budget at all'', but would be accounted for in the budget review that comes out towards the end of the year. It would be revenue neutral, she said. Earlier she contradicted Australian Workers Union's South Australian secretary Wayne Hanson, who claimed Whyalla and Port Pirie could be wiped off the map if the carbon tax went ahead, saying she disagreed. Campaigning in mining areas in Western Australia, Opposition Leader Tony Abbott described the carbon tax as ''a deadly threat'' to economies in every state. Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/national/pms-carbon-test-for-business-20110419-1dnha.html#ixzz1KFfisES |
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67% in favour of a Carbon Tax if compensation is factored in.
Who's going to be the New Liberal Party leader? |
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Electricity prices rise with or without a Carbon Price.
So how is Abbott going to sell a policy before the next election, that strips the compensation from the pockets of the low and middle income earners, when the people know that Electricity prices will still rise irrespective of a Carbon Tax? Good Luck with that one. |
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Ok then AFL.
Sure sure mate. We'll see who wins this debate. |
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PS - Love it how you distort and make up poling numbers (ie. 67% support a carbon tax).
LOL |