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THE CLIMATE CHANGE MYTH that Julia wants us all to pay for
THE CLIMATE CHANGE MYTH that Julia wants us all to pay for
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they didnt exactly vote for the comrades now did they womble????
 take them blinkers and dark glasses off womble |
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and conveniently ignore post polling which said the electorate wanted them to go the other way,again, how convenient when twisting things womble
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Yeah and aren't the futures of those Independents looking bright, wombleoz?
ffs |
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Here we go
Uh-ohhhhh, ROFLMAO We all know what happens when Paul Howes gets a bee in his bonnet - case in point, Kevin Rudd. Unity is always the major strength within the Labor Union Movement. ffsKey union puts Julia Gillard on notice over carbon tax EXCLUSIVE Dennis Shanahan, Political editor From: The Australian April 15, 2011 THE Gillard government has been warned that union support will be withdrawn from Labor's campaign to put a price on greenhouse gas emissions if it looks like "one job" will be lost because of the proposed carbon tax. Australia's biggest manufacturing union has called on the government to urgently release details of its protection for industry and householders under a carbon tax, in the face of a growing workers' revolt on the workshop floor, where union officials are being challenged and jeered for supporting Julia Gillard's plan. As Australian Workers Union national secretary Paul Howes prepared for a crisis meeting of union officials today to discuss the impact of the carbon tax, he said his union wanted to ensure that "this carbon price won't cost a single job". Mr Howes, who went on television the night Kevin Rudd was removed as prime minister to declare his union's support for Ms Gillard as the coup was unfolding, told The Australian last night: "If one job is gone, our support is gone." |
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getting more interesting by the moment ...
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I am boiling over with excitement thinking about the political twists and turns of this debate, thebas. It is tantalising.
The Union's are caught in a catch 22 - listen to the membership or back Labor unreservedly. Gillard Labor fighting battles on a number of fronts - whether they are winnable or not is really irrelevent. They are stretched and have shown their political nouse and judgement isn't crash-hot to begin with. I know, most know, that this will kill either Abbott or Gillard. Labor can't do another leadership change, it would be suicide -and the Coalition are locked in behind Abbott - it will be an Abbott v Gillard election. Right now, to be fair and bias aside - its lineball on who will win this battle - but I think the Coalition are in the sweet spot, right at the minute, politically speaking. |
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When it finally gets out into mainstream media ... that the below is the IPCC/UN standpoint on global warming ... sorry climate change ... well tantalising is exactly the word to use
"Climate policy has almost nothing to do anymore with environmental protection, says the German economist and IPCC official Ottmar Edenhofer. The next world climate summit in Cancun is actually an economy summit during which the distribution of the world's resources will be negotiated. " |
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All of your arguments are spot on thebas.
Whilst the argument broadly seems to have moved on from the debate of the legitimacy of "climate change" or "global warming". BUT, with Gillard Labor making a dogs breakfast of its half-baked carbon dioxide tax plan - the holes in it and the fundamental flaws within it (and its clear wealth redistribution aim) are clear for all to see. Carbon dioxide taxes have not been successful overseas (case in point, New Zealand - crippling economy, fuel over $2 a litre, just for starters) - and the United States is backing away from a tax - with individual states moving to overthrow existing carbon tax schemes in place. |
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That is in my view, the greatest moral challenge of our time.
To have all the facts put out onto the table in regard to this debate of "climate change" or "climate policy". The facts have never been forthcoming and anyone who dared question the science or the "pro"-climate-policy-enthusiasts ideas of, for example a carbon tax -- were labelled totally, as "extremists" or "crazy" and "dangerous" etc. |
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correct jez ... all those labels were thrown at anyone who dared to question ... at anyone who just wanted facts
now an open & full debate needs to be sanctioned by the govt ... before any tax is imposed ... if honesty and truth in government is a priority |
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both parties believe climate change is real and man is playing a part - yet you guys keep going on and on about it, you're definitely in the minority on that one
as to linking petrol prices in NZ to their carbon tax ffs Jez, - oil is well over $100 per barrel and the NZ $ is shocking, of course petrol prices are high note though, a sign of things to come from the Liberals - any price rise - "it's because of the carbon tax" [smiley:crazy] |
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Keep backing Gillard Labor, wombleoz. They need your support and fanaticism. Desperate times call for desperate measures. |
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Price rises right across the board are apart of this carbon dioxide tax - don't go whining about the Liberals, wombleoz - remember the GST scare campaign? Fkn hypocracy - and this tax is different - will rise each and every year.
Up and up and up and up and up she goes. New Zealand is a taste of what's to come. No wonder some Labor MP's are quietly saying "we're f*cked", politically speaking - this government is all over the shop. Oh and how about the Union movement. With friends like Paul Howes, Gillard doesn't need any enemies. PS - You'd best start thinking up some better excuses for carbon dioxide tax rises, than the one's your producing at the moment...ffs |
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Course he is Judge. Can't compete with the socialist hack from Slater and Gordon pastures - after all, he is just a throw-away Rhodes Scholar ffs. |
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If your going to have a crack at his IQ, at least put something forward that explains such a suggestion.
If you dislike him, so be it. |
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Granted his not as polished communicator, with the um-ah's, but he has improved significantly.
I can't see how that can translate into an IQ assessment. |
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Fair enough
 His been underestimated all along, I hope it continues. Underestimate Tony Abbott, politically and intellectually at your peril, I say. I understand there are people who don't like him, whenever he speaks, whatever he does - you know they dislike him vehemently. There are just as many people who would make harsh assessments on Julia Gillard based on her tone of voice and who pronunciation of particular words. She lost Labor's majority at the last election; And nothing has improved, this touted political superstar that was to be Julia Gillard is like her predecessor, a dud. Bring on the next election. |
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I love my team, but I'm fair.
I'm not a dinky-die ideologue. You want one eyed, talk to wombleoz. |
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Wombleoz is on the opposing side, but a little further down the garden path than just one-eyed.
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Who knows what will happen between now and the next election. Exciting times ahead |
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rofl
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wombleoz Joined: 15 Feb 03
Replies: 3091 16 Apr 11 13:02 both parties believe climate change is real and man is playing a part - yet you guys keep going on and on about it, you're definitely in the minority on that one. we wanted debate and we wanted facts ... facts about what the IPCC/UN are UP TO ... finally the true FACTS came out ... this womble is what the sceptics suspected ALL ALONG ... from the german IPCC official prior to cancun (where australia had a representative (and that rep di not advise our nation what the true plan was ... "Climate policy has almost nothing to do anymore with environmental protection , says the German economist and IPCC official Ottmar Edenhofer. The next world climate summit in Cancun is actually an economy summit during which the distribution of the world's resources will be negotiated. " so womble ... both political parties aside ... do you see why non-political sceptics were concerned about julia 'jumping in quick' to get her filthy carbon tax going ... especially after she publicly stated ... NOT UNDER MY GOVERNMENT |
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the world will move to a price on carbon Thebas - you will argue it's all about agenda 21, one world government etc, most would agree it's because we need to act for the environment. Interesting thing at the moment is that it's conservative governments leading the way - e.g. New Zealand and the UK
we either get aboard now or miss the boat and suffer the consequences IMO either way, this argument is only just starting I'd suggest, it's going to be a very interesting year politicallty |
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politically even - how bad is it when I have spell check and still get stuff wrong FFS
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"most would agree it's because we need to act for the environment"
Wombleoz, I like you - but your delusional. Where does the environment benefit from a carbon dioxide tax? Who says "the world" is moving to carbon dioxide taxes? The consequences of a carbon dioxide tax in New Zealand have been economically devastating and the cost of living has soared - yes a conservative government, but even the best kinds of people in life make mistakes - we're only human[;)] Why is it you can't explain the finer details of a carbon dioxide tax? Is it because JuLIAR has no detail to this flimsy plan? As the details are being drip-fed to the public, more and more people are starting to see this as a brand new TAX with wealth redistribution tendencies than anything REMOTELY representing "ACTION on climate change". |
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Goodluck with your "moral/political/socialist" crusade wombleoz, your going to need it - we're (the Australian people) are not fkn mugs mate.
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i thought Liberals were meant to know about economics Jez, obviously a price trigger will change behaviours - just ask Malcolm Turnbull IMO
no question they are making a balls up of the roll out so far but the detail isn't too far away and one the real numbers are out there it will be a lot easier, although i admit still tough, to sell |
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Malcolm Turnbull....roflmao
This isn't about Turnbull (Communications Spokesperson) or the Coalition. The park is firmly parked in Labor's court - and its making a dogs breakfast of an already fundamentally flawed, big NEW tax. On price triggers - newsflash - IT HASN'T changed behaviours in New Zealand, wombleoz - power consumption remains the same - your favourite prime example of this scheme exposes the farcical nature of this proposal. I'm not sure whether they're compensation system is "wealth redistribution" like the one Labor, here, is setting up - but behaviours are not changing. (I also note, the environment has taken a backseat in this debate - which is playing precisely into the Coalition's hands) The detail has for months been "not too far away". Pretty sure I heard Swan say it won't be released until after the Budget. - and speaking of the Budget, the tax receipt shortfall is huge. Another problem to add to Labor's ongoing and accumulating woes. |
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ffs
The BALL is firmly parked in Labor's court - and its making a dogs breakfast of an already fundamentally flawed, big NEW tax. |
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wombleoz
most would agree it's because we need to act for the environment. well NOT the IPCC/UN ... who are after cash ... by their OWN admission if it was 100% for the environment ... who could disagree the trick .. the con ... was to get people to think it was a genuine environmental plan the german was forthright ... he has stated the objective ... i will repeat it again ... try and let it sink in "Climate policy has almost nothing to do anymore with environmental protection , says the German economist and IPCC official Ottmar Edenhofer. The next world climate summit in Cancun is actually an economy summit during which the distribution of the world's resources will be negotiated. " |
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Jez-Punter
Where does the environment benefit from a carbon dioxide tax? [smiley:crazy] ...................................................................................................... It's like saying what does the Medicare Levy do for Cancer? [smiley:crazy] A ridiculous argument. The aim is to reduce our use and reliance on Carbon Intensive Energy through a price mechanisim. Why should Energy Companies be allowed to continue to spew their pollution into the atmosphere freely? Without a price incentive to adopt cleaner alternatives they will continue to do this. The same goes for the general population. |
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Gee that explains a lot
No details just the same unfounded mantra. "reduce carbon through price triggers" Hopeless AFL. |
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" The poll also says almost two-thirds of Australian voters are opposed to the Government's proposed carbon tax.
It says opposition to the tax has risen three points to 59 per cent, whereas support remains unchanged at 34 per cent. " From: http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2011/04/18/3193914.htm?site=melbourne |
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Labor primary support at a 15 year low
 The Coalition leads Labor on a 2PP basis by 12 points Now the fanatics will cry "theres only one poll that counts" and that maybe even some spin about Turnbull leading like preferred Lib leader stakes (similar to Rudd) - but let me say, this will send a shiver down the spines of all Labor MP's this morning. This is deadly serious. And I believe, there's a Newspoll to come tomorrow. You know times are tough when Bobby Brown comes out pleading for Labor to "hold there nerve" - clearly there are some seriously worried folk within the ALP - and I'm not at all surprised. Hold your nerve, Brown tells Gillard ABC News Online By Jeremy Thompson Greens leader Bob Brown says the Government must "hold its nerve" on the carbon tax in the face of more bad poll figures. A Nielsen poll in today's Fairfax newspapers shows the percentage of voters opposed to the tax has climbed to 59 per cent, while only 34 per cent support it. Labor's primary vote is down to just 31 per cent, a 15-year low which would translate to a landslide defeat if an election were to be held now. "This is going to be a real test of resolve of the Labor Government," Senator Brown said. |
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hold your nerve..........
what a clown thebas is right its not about the environment........and recent talk from this joke of a govt seemingly doesnt mention the environment......... |
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Bob Brown spot on, hold firm on this one - push it through and people will realise the scare campaign is just that, a scare campaign with millions actually better off and finally some real action on climate change
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Can't wait for the Election Campaign when ABBOTT does what he promised and tells the low and middle income earners he's going to rip their compensation off them, dismantle the Carbon Tax and give the Biggest Polluters a free ride.
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the compensation that may in the short term put so called millions in front , 4 times as many millions behind , will soon be overtaken by the yearly increase in carbon tax as they wont increase it beyond the first year.
make no mistake labor has painted itself into a corner that it wont get out of until they go to the polls and get obliterated......and have to reinvent itself maybe into new labour... |
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Bob Brown spot on, hold firm on this one - push it through and people will realise the scare campaign is just that, a scare campaign with millions actually better off and finally some real action on climate change
People will realise, will they? roflmao I think they realise right now (the Labor vote at a 15 year low) that a carbon dioxide tax will do nothing for the environment and with Centrelink customers actually BETTER OFF, people are asking - well whats the fkn point here? It's a dogs breakfast. And Labor desperately trying to contain the debate. They're happy to have favourable "loose detail" in the public domain and have people speculating - but as soon as detail that is negative is speculated apon - the government squeals - "hang on, but we haven't released any details yet". |
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... with millions actually better off and finally some real action on climate change ... is the opinion of a few folk...
And whilst I know it will be introduced, it does not mean that I agree with it at all... So the opinion of the majority, in regards to the 'fun' quoted opening statement is... All IMO of course... each to their own ...  |