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THE CLIMATE CHANGE MYTH that Julia wants us all to pay for
THE CLIMATE CHANGE MYTH that Julia wants us all to pay for
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millions will be better off............and quadruple the amount of millions will be WORSE OFF, what a great sales team they are NOT
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sorry still half asleep, missed a few words here and there
end result - we already voted to put a price on carbon |
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we voted for a hung parliament and gave the BOP in the senate at the 2010 election - therefore we voted to put a price on carbon
TOTAL FKN BULL SH IT WOMBLE I'LL REMIND YOU WOMBLE 'THERE WILL BE NO CARBON TAX UNDER ANY GOVERNMENT I LEAD' SHE'S THE LEADER AND GUESS WHAT , WE HAVE A CARBON TAX |
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end result - we already voted to put a price on carbon
NO WOMBLE YOU CLOWN - she made a statement and people voted accordingly ITS CLEAR AS FKN DAY FER CHRISSAKES |
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spin any way you want the fact is as my last post PURE AND SIMPLE
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it's not spin though Secong - if Labor won the election we would be setting up and ETS today, most likely supported by whoever was leading the Liberals
they didn't, so we get a carbon tax on the way through |
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lies pure and simple and julia wanted kevvie to not go ahead with the ets to get ahead, we cannot trust this low life PM she is the worst PM of all time bar none and that is a FACT...IMO[;)]
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do you remember very other PM??? you must be older then I thought!!! [;)]
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every for farksake!!!!
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ffs its only been 110 years womble, and you didnt see all of them???
sotm has been around since archer won the cup ive only been here since carbine |
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The closed mind can listen only to that which supports it...
It is not open to any other point of view... It is of the stubborn mind, very limited, very narrow without much depth... Copy-and-paste the only defence to their stance because self-logic and self-reasoning are not present... Instead of having an 'over-view', the closed mind will pounce on an odd word hereand there, try to ridicule, then to conjure up more 'copy-pastes' to support their stance once again... The open mind can be ready to listen to something that goes against it... It may differ in opinion from another, and yet, it will investigate another view-point to allow more information into the brain-cells, and then, allow reasoning and logic to flow through their minds... It can be very frustrating for the open-minded person to have a sensible logic discussion with a closed-minded person, simply because, the other persons are not willing to take heed at all... All IMO of course... Now for some facts... The Carbon Tax policy was discussed and decided upon some 15 years ago, (that I am aware of), for this is when I first read about the committees in the G20 deciding how to implement it...  "To preserve our independence, we must not let our rulers load us with perpetual debt. We must make our election between economy and liberty, or profusion and servitude." Thomas Jefferson "In politics we presume that everyone who knows how to get votes knows how to administer a city or a state... When we are ill... we do not ask for the handsomest physician, or the most eloquent one." Plato It is like the fool and the narrow-minded person, some things will never change...  |
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a really cynical person ... you know, one more cynical than me lol might even say this
the IPCC has advised the UN (their parent company funder lol) that the 'earliest' companies to get in on this carbon tax scheme (or con lol) ... will be the ones to benefit most julia (or her cartel) were amenable to this hook line & sinker so they are ion on the 'world game' (not soccer lol) BUT ... doesn't that sales pitch sound very similar to the now outlawed 'con' ... the infamous PYRAMID SCHEME those at the start it reap and it gets harder and harder for any 'latecomers' until it collapes under its own weight ... and they 'start again' under a new name the only way a pyramid scheme works is if you get suckers to come in ... come on in australia this 'carbon tax idea' has been long in the planning and nearly came UNSTUCK when the head honcho at the IPCC admitted in an email leak that the world has stopped warming for over a decade ... the 'spin' then switched from global warming to the inocuous 'climate change' and they were 'off again' lol anyway blah, blah, blah its a DONE deal at the international UN level ... but julia will not be forgotten for this ... for not giving her NATION the opportunity to vote on it |
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lol judge ... i'll take seat for sure ... as long as your hostesses are young & cute
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Climate policy has almost nothing to do anymore with environmental protection, says the German economist
and IPCC official Ottmar Edenhofer. The next world climate summit in Cancun is actually an economy summit during which the distribution of the world's resources will be negotiated. the above quote from the german IPCC officialis mind-boggling ... and australia had a representative at the recent cancun meeting what was that representative's report to our govt ... and what was parliament and our nation subsequently told ???? read it ... the truth always float to the surface ... eventually http://www.thegwpf.org/the-climate-record/1877- ipcc-official-climate-policy-is-redistributing -the-worlds-wealth.html |
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The lies being perpetuated by wombleoz on here is really dragging this thread through the mud.
There's one thing to spin an argument to favour Labor and the Greens but to brazenly lie is really low. Really disappointing from you wombleoz - you lose all credibility when you start this nonsense. For example: "we voted for a hung parliament and gave the BOP in the senate at the 2010 election - therefore we voted to put a price on carbon" Two quick points on that. Number one, Julia Gillard said days before the election, categorically "There will be no carbon tax under a government I lead". Number two, go look up the word MANDATE in your dictionary - a hung parliament is no mandate for a fundamentally flawed carbon tax which does NOTHING, I repeat, NOTHING to clean the planet. |
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another question for Jez - if Labor won the last election would you expect the to introduce an ETS???
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But they didn't win the election wombleoz ffs.
What is this, a hypothetical majority Gillard Labor government is exactly that, a hypothetical. Gillard Labor did not win the election, but formed a minority administration with the assistance of independents and a Green. Tony Windsor has been saying all day today - THERE IS NO MANDATE for Gillard Labor and there is NO GUARANTEE on this Carbon Tax getting through the parliament. Additionally, they did they have a mandate and the Prime Minister said days before people across the nation voted: "there will be no carbon tax under a government I lead" |
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Whitlam
Hawke Keating Rudd Gillard & McMahon Fraser Howard 20 years a piece, I believe Judgey. |
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Second last line should really say.
Not only did they not have a mandate. My typing is getting worse and worse. |
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next question - is an ETS a Carbon tax???
u agree with Jez - 20 all |
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Not going to play semantics and Q&A games with you Wombleoz, christ ffs.
Judge - you raise a fair point, your entitled to your view. My response may annoy you - I support the current entitlements for Former Prime Ministers and former MP's and Senators (no matter their political colours) - though as we have seen recently the fat has certainly been trimmed. |
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There has to be checks and balances.
But at the same time, the men and women who are our elected representatives particularily in Cabinet or Shadow Cabinet are not on exactly in easy jobs - its a tough game politics, nothing is sacred - everything private is public. I think we need to encourage the best and brightest to enter politics and shape our future. I think the bashing of politicians, whether over perks or salary is a little hasty sometimes, tbh. |
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Trying to find it, seen it before.
It's substantial, no doubt about it. |
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Here is some figures on the use of lifetime passes etc for domestic travel:
http://www.finance.gov.au/publications/parliamentarians-reporting/docs/T26/TF19_Formers_Parliamentarians_report.pdf |
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Also has numbers for Former PM costs over 6 month period.
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I know exactly what your after.
The figures are broken down, not all together and totalled. You want em, call the Dept of Finance and Deregulation. Your points been made - you don't like the amount spent on politicians entitlements. Join the queue, millions of Australian's grizzle about it year in, year out. |
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Just for you. No |
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agree with Jez, deserve all they get and more - what other job are you on call 24 / 7 and you have to win back at election every 3 years
it's not semantics Jez, it's the key to the whole debate and you know it |
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I fkn hate maths and there are that many millions to add up ffs
Would take me all night. |
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Wombleoz - what the key is that Gillard had a mandate (according to you) and didn't declare to the Australian people days out from the campaign that there "would be no carbon tax under a government I lead" ???
To suggest we voted for a Carbon Tax by way of the current Parliament is an extraodinary attempt at stretching the truth - it gets real desperate when you start talking about Howard's policies leading into the 2007 campaign. Labor and its supporters getting REAL desperate - and I can understand why. |
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so you're saying a carbon tax is an ets - and she ruled both out
u really have no idea if that's the case 24/7 365 days per year DJ |
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Cut the fkn semantics wombleoz.
I never said that - and you know it. Christ almighty - enough with the desperate tricks and spin. Spare me, please. I'll tell you who has no idea. You, wombleoz. You can't see how deeply unpopular this fundamentally flawed carbon tax LIE really is - you can't see the deception from Gillard before the election - and you try and cover it ALL up by calling an ETS a carbon tax and a carbon tax an ETS, when it suits. You know what she said before the election - delude yourself as much as you like - all Australian's heard what she said. It was crystal clear. Everybody is now aware of the wealth redistribution and furphy that is this carbon tax - you say "a cleaner planet" - everyone else says - where in this scheme does the environment benefit, LOL? Please enlighten us. And round and round in circles we go. |
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"we voted for a hung parliament and gave the BOP in the senate at the 2010 election - therefore we voted to put a price on carbon"
This would have to be some of the dumbest and most desperate words I've heard you put together wombleoz. If this is where the argument is at for you boys - you best start election campaigning now pal, because you and the comrades are in deep sh1t. |
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Tony Windsor, one of the "hung parliament" power brokers must have really dampened your spirits today with his words about the carbon tax - he sounds rattled.
Whats you take on this, wombleoz? Or should I say, whats your spin on this? |
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Tony Windsor has the best argument of all re putting a price on carbon - if the scientists are wrong and we do something we lose some money, if they are right and we do nothing we're screwed so we might as well do something
the majority of Australian's voted for members of parliament that support putting a price on carbon, suck it up i'd suggest  |
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voted for members of parliament that support putting a price on carbon
because the pm is kow-towing to the UN/IPCC policy of re-distributing wealth (as they no longer consider 'climate policy' has anything to do with the environment) this somewhat 'hidden agenda' is all about money ... always was ... we now know it after cancun (though our representative at cancun didn't let the general public in on the 'bigger plan') the only thing worse to hear now ... would be that our prime minister independently belongs to an international club or group that has further and larger global implications outside of our national sovereignty and specific national interest |
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the majority of Australian's voted for members of parliament that support putting a price on carbon
more BS womble , labor fell over the line with the indies whom predominantly come from conservative electorates wanting no carbon tax and then you have the people whom voted for juliar believing her pre election pledge of NO CARBON TAX, i'll suck it up when she puts it to a VOTE (MANDATE) and if returned so be it,BUT I HAVE SNEAKING SUSPICION SHE WONT only the people with walking canes and dark glasses will vote her way |
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labor spruikers
millions will be better off  real meaning 4 times as many worse off......  when can we start packing winter clothes for summer please with all these billions spent on climate change?? |
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Wombleoz.
Its pretty clear what Windsor's concerns are that he has voiced all week, ffs - his moving further and further away from this carbon tax plan - as Labor continues to make a dogs breakfast out of it. You can say suck it up, but I'll return the favour when this government clearly falls at the next election. You ignore ALL facts presented wombloez, and in a deluded fashion go off on your own fantasy-like tangent with fictitious reasons as to why Australian's voted for a Carbon Tax - oh, and that Gillard didn't say or mean what she said and that the Howard Government's 2007 campaign is somehow relevent. I've heard enough of your nonsense. Fair dinkum. You are out of touch and you DON'T get it. Some of us here are bias - but only you have thick blinkers on and worship an ideology that embraces wealth-redistribution (no wonder you love the carbon tax - and basically, you wouldn't dare question this Labor government or acknowledge mistakes/issue, because the thought of a Coalition government is unbearable for you. So in your view, its Labor - whether in the national interest or not.  Again, out of touch and you just don't get it. |
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Secong - yep the independents come from traditionally conservative electorates, here's some news for you though - they all beat conservatives to win the seats!!!
i.e. the seat didn't vote for the conservative |