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THE CLIMATE CHANGE MYTH that Julia wants us all to pay for
THE CLIMATE CHANGE MYTH that Julia wants us all to pay for
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He is ABSOLUTELY out of touch.
Sipping latte's in Toorak, wombleoz obviously believes the McMansions out of Toorak are what EVERY working family lives in these days - with 3-4 cars and a house full of TV's,ffs  I have worked in the welfare industry and have seen for myself how much people are struggling - meeting families who both work $40,000 p/a each, have significant debts, struggling to pay the rent, struggling to get the kids into school uniforms, struggling to put food on the table - Centrelink visit them and say "sorry, your not eligible" and wombleoz, in his Toorak Road haze believes we need to tax them even more and pump the money, 100% (apparently) to full-time Centrelink customers. He is a self-confessed Socialist who has no issues with wealth re-distribution, he loves to attack success/aspiration and love of country and to take a swipe at WORKING families trying to give there kids a head-start in life - and a live a good life. Hopelessly out of touch, doesn't quite go far enough to describe wombleoz. It's the sort of extreme ideology, this country can do without. |
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Jez_Punter
It's the sort of extreme ideology, this country can do without. ............................................................................................................... LOL, what about this Extreme Ideology. THE KOCH BROTHERS Sources, http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2010/08/30/100830fa_fact_mayer#ixzz1CUamWXWk The Hungry Beast ABC TV. Oil Billionairs worth 21 Billion each, ownwers of the 2nd biggest private company in the US. The Koch's operate OIL REFINERIES in Alaska, Texas, and Minnesota, and control some four thousand miles of pipeline. KOCH INDUSTRIES OWNS BRAWNY PAPER TOWELS, DIXIE CUPS, GEORGIA-PACIFIC LUMBER, STAINMASTER CARPET, AND LYCRA, AND ARE INVESTORS IN CHEMICAL FERTILIZERS PULP, SAWMILLS AND ARE PASSIONATE FOUNDERS OF ANTI-GLOBAL WARMING GROUPS. KOCH INDUSTRIES ARE IN THE TOP 10 AIR POLLUTERS IN THE USA. Forbes ranks it as the second-largest private company in the USA, and its consistent profitability has made David and Charles Koch among the richest men in America. In Washington they are best known as a family that has repeatedly funded stealth attacks on the federal government, and on the Obama Administration in particular. Greenpeace calls them the CLIMATE CHANGE DENIAL KING PINS.......... (apart from TONY ABBOTT) LOL. The Washington Post reported that the Koch Brothers sit at the Centre of Republican Power. Washington newspaper Politico reports the Koch Bros are spending $88 million to try and vote out the Obama administration next year. In AUSTRALIA they have investments in STAINMASTER CARPETS,CHEMICAL TECHNOLOGY,AND FERTILIZERS 1990 - Founded a group called CONCERNED CITIZENS FOR THE ENVIORNMENT,(LOL) after the US Gov't announced a crackdown on air polluters. They then produced a study saying that ACID RAIN DOESN'T EXIST. 1997 – Financed a Think Tank that stated Smog Protects Us From Skin Cancer. 1997 – 2005 – Funded high profile Anti – Green Lobby Group, COMPETITIVE ENTERPRISE INSTITUTE, which sponsored the 1997 COUNTDOWN TO KYOTO CLIMATE SCEPTIC CONFERENCE, in CANBERRA, attended by then Deputy Prime Minister TIM FISHER. (Reports of Jez_punter in the front row have yet to be confirmed.) LOL. They have spent 197 Million financing 37 groups to campaign against regulating business in the USA. These groups include Institute for Humane Studies,Frontiers Of Freedom and the Independent Women's Forum. In 2007 the Koch's financed a study that stated Polar Bears are not being hurt by Climate Change. In 2003 they founded Americans For Prosperity, major backers of the Tea Party Movement. AFP have opposed regulating Executive Bonuses, Big Tobbacco (Liberal Party Backers) and have resisted Health Reform. Cory(Ban The Burqa) Bernardi, …... (Tony Abbott's press secretary) has said he admires the Tea Party's free ranging, grass roots activism. Bernardi founded Menzies House..... in order to stir the pot in the Political Debate and spew the KOCH/Liberal message to the masses. Menzies House is run by Tim Andrews who worked for the Koch founded Americans For Tax Reform and The Cato Institute, and was trained by THE KOCH ASSOCCIATE PROGRAMME. NOW THERE'S AN EXTREME IDEOLOGY  |
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Unemployment at 4.9% - quick, somebody whinge about it!
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They will. |
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back to the topic lol ...
i am still researching ... and it's all very interesting ... and inconclusive the last thing i think you would do with this subject ... is TAX someone on it ... but hey they're politicians ... i will try and not 'load' the following references to one 'side' or the other re this debate ... and will try to provide plenty of balance ... but it is interesting as i said and for LAZZA ... i have found the answer to your question ... and will post the full article later (it is the OCEAN where the co2 goes to and comes back from when it appears and dissapears ... but that is not ots origin lol) a fascinating ... and not long ... read (but pls don't 'hang your hat' and decide your leaning lol yet on this read) http://www.eoearth.org/article/ Greenhouse_effect?topic=54241 |
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Secong - we should close all the loop holes the rich use, no question at all
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a bit longer this one ... but does go through the greenhouse gas issues we are trying to contain
http://www.eoearth.org/article/Greenhouse_gas?topic=49554 |
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http://www.eoearth.org/article/
Greenhouse_gas?topic=49554 |
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Very much worth the read, thebas.
The "Climate Forcing Effects" section very interesting imo. |
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A poll on the CFMEU website, "Would you support a carbon tax on big polluters that was used to compensate households for increased costs?", has been removed after it found 22 per cent in favour and 78 per cent against.
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The hypocracy beggars belief
 Brown 'double standard' on rallies Joe Kelly and Lauren Wilson From: The Australian April 09, 2011 GREENS leader Bob Brown has been accused of double standards after declaring it "undemocratic" to judge politicians on the company they keep at rallies and other public forums. Opposition frontbencher Andrew Robb yesterday accused Senator Brown of "hypocrisy writ large" over his attack on Tony Abbott's appearance at an anti-carbon tax rally last month, where placards portrayed Julia Gillard as a "witch", a "bitch" and a "frump". Senator Brown on Thursday defended the actions of Greens senators Sarah Hanson-Young and Scott Ludlam for appearing at rallies in 2009 and last year, respectively, where protesters called on Australia to sever ties with Israel. "If you're saying there that members of parliament should not take the stage or be on a rostrum or be at a rally or go on (television program) Q&A if you are going to be judged by the people you are there with, then we're getting to a very undemocratic path, aren't we," Senator Brown told ABC radio. Mr Robb yesterday contrasted the comments with Senator Brown's demands last month that Mr Abbott apologise for appearing alongside offensive placards at the March 23 carbon tax rally. Mr Robb, who is in Jerusalem on a trade mission with the Australia-Israel Chamber of Commerce, said the Greens disliked being exposed to the same level of scrutiny as the major political parties. "We all remember Bob Brown giving sanctimonious lectures and demanding apologies from Tony Abbott just a week or so ago because he addressed a very legitimate demonstration against the carbon tax," Mr Robb said. "When the boot is on the other foot he gets all defensive about his own senators Hanson-Young and Ludlam addressing protests. "Bob Brown doesn't like being exposed to the same level of scrutiny as the major parties. They do have extreme views on many things and they are pure political opportunists." |
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i agree it was dumb to go as hard as they did on the rallies - was always going to bite them
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already posted below are the articles on the greenhouse effect and the greenhouse gases
http://www.eoearth.org/article/Greenhouse_effect?topic=54241 http://www.eoearth.org/article/Greenhouse_gas?topic=49554 the next article talks about climate change and its causes http://www.eoearth.org/article/Causes_of_climate_change |
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http://www.eoearth.org/article/Greenhouse_effect?topic=54241
http://www.eoearth.org/article/Greenhouse_gas?topic=49554 http://www.eoearth.org/article/Causes_of_climate_change down to the last article ... which should be read in the above order ... from 'then to now' in terms of what scientists have found about the relationship of the 'natural earth' and man's industrial additions http://www.eoearth.org/article/Carbon_cycle?topic=49505 |
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and that's as unbiased as it gets that i can find ... from the good to the bad
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there needs to be one more Thebas - would reducing the amount of carbon dioxide we produce have any effect?
i'd suggest it couldn't be a bad thing question then becomes how do we do that? and the answer for mine is obvious, put a price on it through a carbon tax |
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wombleoz
10 Apr 11 22:48 Joined: 15 Feb 03 | Topic/replies: 3,043 | Blogger: wombleoz's blog there needs to be one more Thebas - would reducing the amount of carbon dioxide we produce have any effect So without knowing the answer 100%.....Womble says ..."put a price on it through a carbon tax" ffs |
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putting a price on carbon .. through TAXATION .. would seemm the most simplistic innefectual course of action a thinking person might come up with .... NO SCIENTIST or scientific study would EVER choose that method ... ONLY a troubled government
i say this because the 'price trigger' scenarion has already proved futile i use the LPG vs petrol scenario as an easily understood comparison every person i speak to says the price of petrol is too high and is impacting lives TOO much petrol prices have risen continuously over the past 8 to 10 years ... so the PRICE TRIGGER has already been proven not to work for a government ot introduce a price trigger model is ludicrous for a governemtn to intoroduce a price trigger act .. through a NEW TAX on everything is cynical to introduce it AFTER saying it wouldn't be introduced is devious DO SOMETHING TANGIBLE .. that is what the people want and if we are 'punishing' the supplier by charging a tax .. and the supplier passes it on to the citizens then COMPENSATE EVERY CITIZEN ... this 'some get compensation and some don't' is divisive of the nation when it will land squarely in the 'middle income' citizen bracket filthy tax for no result |
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and by the way womble .. a politician has already said that NO increase in the amount of co2 in the atmosphere
from human acts ... would take up to 1000 years (yes you read it right) to have any effect give us an alternative source .. the people will change over DO NOT TAX ... from a select group of aussies ... then compensate others .. and give the rest of the collected tax to the UN .. for them to give to some olympic games bid style selection of 3rd world govt my question to the UN NOW is ... who is the first country to receive the welfare package from the west ? |
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Thats easy TB ..which ever Country offers the best Kick Backs lol....Like the Olympic committee..Just more rorts...
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That show on SBS lastnite was an eye opener....We don't or seldom hear about the million plus people that have been killed in Iraq....But we always hear about a Country the likes of Somalia that have lost 400K people....Because they have been killed by people we don't like...ffs what a joke ..but unfortunately it's true.
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and the UN are slective who they 'save' also ... they decided to allow internal results determine the million plus genocide in the rwnadaa
hutu-tootsie conflict ... and not 2 weeks agao a 1000 innocent civilions were slaughtered on the ivory coast where the UN have peacekeepers ... but NO big planes and bombs there like libya oh yeah ... no big oil in rwnada or the ivory coast to protect |
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From memory they were a bit slow to react when Serbia went at it too.
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It's just becoming way too obvious now...good clip.
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No ..you just finally jagged a good one ffs
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the truth
Not everything is a conspiracy ffs |
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that being said, a good video Judge
certainly raises some fkn huge questions |
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good one judge ... the world again is on an oil precipice ... UN sanctioned attacks ... with outcomes & controls completely unknown
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not everything is a conspiracy, but more things are than we are led to believe imo
Very very true. |
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excerpt from the german economist and IPCC official
The next world climate summit in Cancun is actually an economy summit during which the distribution of the world's resources will be negotiated. extraordinary interview ... you would have to assume our govt has also read/seen this ... http://www.thegwpf.org/the-climate-record /1877-ipcc-official-climate-policy-is- redistributing-the-worlds-wealth.html |
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oh no, agenda 21 [smiley:crazy]
we live in a capitalist system - a price trigger is the most effective way |
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wombleoz, for the 50,000th time bleets
"price trigger is the most effective way" His got nothing to prove it will assist the environment or stop "climate change" or "global warming" and nothing even remotely constructive to add to the thread.............. .......Yes sir, Yes sir, three bags full sir. Baaaaaaaaaaaa baaaaaaaaaaaaaaa, says Wombleoz. |
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wombleoz, for the 50,000th time bleets
"price trigger is the most effective way" His got nothing to prove it will assist the environment or stop "climate change" or "global warming" and nothing even remotely constructive to add to the thread.............. .......Yes sir, Yes sir, three bags full sir. Baaaaaaaaaaaa baaaaaaaaaaaaaaa, says Wombleoz. Hopeless, absolutely hopeless. |
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womble ... when it is IPCC officials (UN created facility) actually saying this ... then you should read and understand what ... the IPCC/UN are saying to us lol
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and if you can see past that and accept what IPCC recommended policy is ... why does our govt choose to
go down a (different) path ... If revenues are raised from carbon taxes or emission schemes, costs may be lowered if the new revenues open the door to tax reforms or are used to promote low-carbon technologies and remove barriers to mitigation. Some models even give positive GDP gains because they assume that economies are not functioning optimally and that climate change mitigation policies can help to reduce imperfections in the economy. in the IPCC policy recommendation below ... there are 7 areas of actions they suggest govt's can take up which way is our govt planning to go ? http://www.solutions-site.org/ artman/publish/article_326.shtml |
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LPG womble ... if a price trigger works ... why isn't every car driving citizen of australia converting from petrol
answer .... because price triggers DON'T work ... and TAXES don't either lol |
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i actually support the UN Thebas, i also support the proper funding if it - more power to them i say
this link will take you to audio of the interview http://www.abc.net.au/rn/breakfast/stories/2011/3187523.htm A visiting British expert on the economics of climate change, Michael Grubb, argues that countries with higher electricity prices generally use proportionally less energy. Professor Grubb also says that after six years of emissions trading, the energy sector in Britain is complaining about 'uncertainty' when it comes to pricing carbon. That's why the Conservative prime minister, David Cameron, is proposing to introduce a carbon tax later this year. |
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you support a world government then womble ... and you laughed at that concept when i mentioned it
world government by definition sits at a higher level to national government we shouldn't give away our sovereignty too easily to those that demand we give them part of our wealth (which the flawed carbon tax wil help to pay) |
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wombleoz Desperation, eat your heart out. |
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I don't agree Thebas - "world government" as you call it doesn't need to sit at a higher level than countries it works with them
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