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By:
Knight Commander
When: 25 Feb 14 18:00
Slight delay while I find out how to settle the joint LRF.
Table up after tea Wink
By:
bettysboy
When: 25 Feb 14 18:11
methinks it should be a loser as racecard order should dictate - but not certain
By:
Knight Commander
When: 25 Feb 14 18:12
Ditto BB but waiting to see what someone else does Wink
By:
Knight Commander
When: 25 Feb 14 18:14
Shane's settled it as a loser so that's good enough for me.
By:
bettysboy
When: 25 Feb 14 18:15
I'd propose a rule change for LRFs: winners settled as DH, this allows those who cannot post to profit and also rewards those who choose the LRF as an easy selection - but reduces the frustration for those who can and do post?

Or possibly all LRFs settled at a fixed price regardless of SP?
By:
Knight Commander
When: 25 Feb 14 18:16
POS CHG  FORM    NAME                            SELECTION                              RESULT         +/-       TOTAL
1▲       03011d1 Reged                          Lucky Sunny - 3.50 Catterick          Lost        -1.00      £22.00
2▲       3300011 top2rated                      Resonare - 3.30 Ling                  Lost        -1.00      £18.75
3▲       0003010 Grok (1)                        Tommy O'dwyer - 5.20 Catterick        Lost        -1.00      £18.17
4▲       0120103 bettysboy                      Cosway Spirit - 3.40 Leicester        Lost        -1.00      £15.00
5▲       00103d1 Aquarius                        Divine Intavention - 3.50 Catterick    1st 12/5      2.40      £12.76
6       30210d2 john.t                          Tommy O'dwyer - 5.20 Catterick        Lost        -1.00       £6.50
7   +2  10001d2 sonofshinner (7)                LRF: Landmarque - 5.20 Catterick      1st 3/1JF      3.00       £5.64
8   -1  11303d0 Poppydog. (1)                  Fitandproperjob - 4:40 Leicester      Lost        -1.00       £3.21
9   -1  1211210 majorupshotbagley              Lucky Sunny - 3.50 Catterick          Lost        -1.00       £2.00
10       02131d1 The Fruity Kiwi & his Gerbil    Blazing Whale - 4.10 Leicester        3rd 7/1      -1.00       £1.25
11   +8  1230000 Steamship                      Lord Landen - 4.40 Leicester          1st 13/2      6.50      -£2.59
12   -1  11310d0 uptheboro                      Qoubilai - 4.20 Catterick              Lost        -1.00      -£3.60
13   +3  11122d0 Pre-Fat-Low-Fat-Foods (2)      LRF: Landmarque - 5.20 Catterick      1st 3/1JF      3.00      -£3.68
14       12113d2 dukeofpuke                      Cloudante - 4.50 Catterick            1st 1/7F      0.14      -£4.91
15   -3  1121011 Shanelee1966                    Welsh Bard - 4.20 Catterick            Lost        -1.00      -£5.35
16   -3  0300100 little.bobby (6)                Turf Trivia - 3.50 Catterick          Lost        -1.00      -£5.48
17   -2  32033d1 NEW KID IN TOWN                Me and Ben - 2.40 Leicester            2nd 6/1      -1.00      -£6.50
18   +2  12013d2 WeeJimmyMcTavish                Cloudante - 4.50 Catterick            1st 1/7F      0.14      -£9.34
19   -2  11110d0 FCH                            Shannon Spirit - 2.40 Leicester        Lost        -1.00      -£9.36
20   -2  3000nd2 bridgelad (3)                  Full Ov Beans - 4.40 Leicester        Lost        -1.00      -£9.50
21       30101d0 dogdayafternoon                Full Ov Beans - 4.40 Leicester        Lost        -1.00    -£10.86
22       3000131 youresomean                    Lucky Sunny - 3.50 Catterick          Lost        -1.00    -£13.89
23   +5  32202d0 alist5 (3)                      LRF: Landmarque - 5.20 Catterick      1st 3/1JF      3.00    -£14.00
24   -1  0300122 Ardross66 (1)                  Bertie Blu Boy - 3.30 Lingfield        3rd 2/1F    -1.00    -£14.86
25   -1  03000d2 twm. (2)                        Resonare - 3.30 Ling                  Lost        -1.00    -£15.95
26▼   -1  0020030 Nijinsky                        Ventura Reef - 5.00 Lingfield          Lost        -1.00    -£17.00
27▼   -1  1020002 josh monk (4)                  Miss Milbourne - 3.40 Leicester        2nd 9/4      -1.00    -£17.15
28▼   -1  0130020 barstool                        Carmela Marie - 3.50 Catterick        Lost        -1.00    -£17.83
29▼       00300d0 hi5's (3)                      Foie Gras - 3.30 Lingfield            Lost        -1.00    -£21.00
  ▼       0003120 zipper (1)                      Retired                                                             
By:
Knight Commander
When: 25 Feb 14 18:17
Corrected version...

POS CHG  FORM    NAME                            SELECTION                              RESULT         +/-       TOTAL
1▲       03011d1 Reged                          Lucky Sunny - 3.50 Catterick          Lost        -1.00      £22.00
2▲       3300011 top2rated                      Resonare - 3.30 Ling                  Lost        -1.00      £18.75
3▲       0003010 Grok (1)                        Tommy O'dwyer - 5.20 Catterick        Lost        -1.00      £18.17
4▲       0120103 bettysboy                      Cosway Spirit - 3.40 Leicester        Lost        -1.00      £15.00
5▲       00103d1 Aquarius                        Divine Intavention - 3.50 Catterick    1st 12/5      2.40      £12.76
6       30210d2 john.t                          Tommy O'dwyer - 5.20 Catterick        Lost        -1.00       £6.50
7       11303d0 Poppydog. (1)                  Fitandproperjob - 4:40 Leicester      Lost        -1.00       £3.21
8       1211210 majorupshotbagley              Lucky Sunny - 3.50 Catterick          Lost        -1.00       £2.00
9       10001d2 sonofshinner (7)                LRF: Landmarque - 5.20 Catterick      Lost        -1.00       £1.64
10       02131d1 The Fruity Kiwi & his Gerbil    Blazing Whale - 4.10 Leicester        3rd 7/1    -1.00       £1.25
11   +8  1230000 Steamship                      Lord Landen - 4.40 Leicester          1st 13/2      6.50      -£2.59
12   -1  11310d0 uptheboro                      Qoubilai - 4.20 Catterick              Lost        -1.00      -£3.60
13   +1  12113d2 dukeofpuke                      Cloudante - 4.50 Catterick            1st 1/7F      0.14      -£4.91
14   -2  1121011 Shanelee1966                    Welsh Bard - 4.20 Catterick            Lost        -1.00      -£5.35
15   -2  0300100 little.bobby (6)                Turf Trivia - 3.50 Catterick          Lost        -1.00      -£5.48
16   -1  32033d1 NEW KID IN TOWN                Me and Ben - 2.40 Leicester            2nd 6/1    -1.00      -£6.50
17   -1  11122d0 Pre-Fat-Low-Fat-Foods (2)      LRF: Landmarque - 5.20 Catterick      Lost        -1.00      -£7.68
18   +2  12013d2 WeeJimmyMcTavish                Cloudante - 4.50 Catterick            1st 1/7F      0.14      -£9.34
19   -2  11110d0 FCH                            Shannon Spirit - 2.40 Leicester        Lost        -1.00      -£9.36
20   -2  3000nd2 bridgelad (3)                  Full Ov Beans - 4.40 Leicester        Lost        -1.00      -£9.50
21       30101d0 dogdayafternoon                Full Ov Beans - 4.40 Leicester        Lost        -1.00    -£10.86
22       3000131 youresomean                    Lucky Sunny - 3.50 Catterick          Lost        -1.00    -£13.89
23       0300122 Ardross66 (1)                  Bertie Blu Boy - 3.30 Lingfield        3rd 2/1F    -1.00    -£14.86
24       03000d2 twm. (2)                        Resonare - 3.30 Ling                  Lost        -1.00    -£15.95
25       0020030 Nijinsky                        Ventura Reef - 5.00 Lingfield          Lost        -1.00    -£17.00
26▼       1020002 josh monk (4)                  Miss Milbourne - 3.40 Leicester        2nd 9/4    -1.00    -£17.15
27▼       0130020 barstool                        Carmela Marie - 3.50 Catterick        Lost        -1.00    -£17.83
28▼       32202d0 alist5 (3)                      LRF: Landmarque - 5.20 Catterick      Lost        -1.00    -£18.00
29▼       00300d0 hi5's (3)                      Foie Gras - 3.30 Lingfield            Lost        -1.00    -£21.00
  ▼       0003120 zipper (1)                      Retired                                                             
By:
Knight Commander
When: 25 Feb 14 18:19
See what you mean BB - deadheat seems fair. Wonder what the others reckon?
By:
Knight Commander
When: 25 Feb 14 18:22
Steamship sailed up 8 places with a 13/2 winning nap,
Aquarius gained a foothold on the podium with a 12/5 success and
dukeofpuke and WeeJimmyMcTavish weighed-in with odds-on winners.
The Fruity Kiwi & his Gerbil and NEW KID IN TOWN hit the bar with decent-priced efforts.

Well done all winners and Good Luck for tomorrow everybody.
By:
Reged
When: 25 Feb 14 18:30
I'd just do away with them. A curse I tell ye!
By:
bettysboy
When: 25 Feb 14 18:32
I'll let courtesy Confused
By:
bettysboy
When: 25 Feb 14 18:32
I'll let a courtesy even!
By:
bettysboy
When: 25 Feb 14 18:33
ah feck it still don't work - there is no O
By:
Reged
When: 25 Feb 14 18:36
Seriously, why have LRFs at all? This coimp is supposed to be a test of individual napping skill ... how are LRFs part of that. I'd do away with LRFFs and optional Sundays and just allow 14, maybe 12, penalty-free days a month.
By:
Reged
When: 25 Feb 14 18:36
LRFFFS? Laugh
By:
Reged
When: 25 Feb 14 18:39
and, while I'm still in full rant, how about also just counting invalid entries etc as non-posts ie as if you hadn't posted at all?
By:
Reged
When: 25 Feb 14 18:39
okay, I'm dun now
By:
barstool
When: 25 Feb 14 18:41
Fascino Rustico   Wincanton 3.50
By:
bettysboy
When: 25 Feb 14 18:41
Yep - allow for two weeks holiday, so no selection settled as NR and get rid of LRFFFFFFFS. Named instructions to be allowed.
By:
bettysboy
When: 25 Feb 14 18:42
apologies for hijacking your thread KC
By:
Reged
When: 25 Feb 14 18:56
How bout you and I gang up on shaney bb?
By:
Shanelee1966
When: 25 Feb 14 19:01
Evening troops Laugh
By:
Reged
When: 25 Feb 14 19:03
fancy seein you here shane! Laugh
By:
Knight Commander
When: 25 Feb 14 19:11
Evening all. Thought I'd better amend this slightly to avoid later queries....

POS CHG  FORM    NAME                            SELECTION                              RESULT         +/-       TOTAL
1▲       03011d1 Reged                          Lucky Sunny - 3.50 Catterick          Lost        -1.00      £22.00
2▲       3300011 top2rated                      Resonare - 3.30 Ling                  Lost        -1.00      £18.75
3▲       0003010 Grok (1)                        Tommy O'dwyer - 5.20 Catterick        Lost        -1.00      £18.17
4▲       0120103 bettysboy                      Cosway Spirit - 3.40 Leicester        Lost        -1.00      £15.00
5▲       00103d1 Aquarius                        Divine Intavention - 3.50 Catterick    1st 12/5      2.40      £12.76
6       30210d2 john.t                          Tommy O'dwyer - 5.20 Catterick        Lost        -1.00       £6.50
7       11303d0 Poppydog. (1)                  Fitandproperjob - 4:40 Leicester      Lost        -1.00       £3.21
8       1211210 majorupshotbagley              Lucky Sunny - 3.50 Catterick          Lost        -1.00       £2.00
9       10001d2 sonofshinner (7)                LRF: - 5.20 Catterick                  Lost        -1.00       £1.64
10       02131d1 The Fruity Kiwi & his Gerbil    Blazing Whale - 4.10 Leicester        3rd 7/1    -1.00       £1.25
11   +8  1230000 Steamship                      Lord Landen - 4.40 Leicester          1st 13/2      6.50      -£2.59
12   -1  11310d0 uptheboro                      Qoubilai - 4.20 Catterick              Lost        -1.00      -£3.60
13   +1  12113d2 dukeofpuke                      Cloudante - 4.50 Catterick            1st 1/7F      0.14      -£4.91
14   -2  1121011 Shanelee1966                    Welsh Bard - 4.20 Catterick            Lost        -1.00      -£5.35
15   -2  0300100 little.bobby (6)                Turf Trivia - 3.50 Catterick          Lost        -1.00      -£5.48
16   -1  32033d1 NEW KID IN TOWN                Me and Ben - 2.40 Leicester            2nd 6/1    -1.00      -£6.50
17   -1  11122d0 Pre-Fat-Low-Fat-Foods (2)      LRF: - 5.20 Catterick                  Lost        -1.00      -£7.68
18   +2  12013d2 WeeJimmyMcTavish                Cloudante - 4.50 Catterick            1st 1/7F      0.14      -£9.34
19   -2  11110d0 FCH                            Shannon Spirit - 2.40 Leicester        Lost        -1.00      -£9.36
20   -2  3000nd2 bridgelad (3)                  Full Ov Beans - 4.40 Leicester        Lost        -1.00      -£9.50
21       30101d0 dogdayafternoon                Full Ov Beans - 4.40 Leicester        Lost        -1.00    -£10.86
22       3000131 youresomean                    Lucky Sunny - 3.50 Catterick          Lost        -1.00    -£13.89
23       0300122 Ardross66 (1)                  Bertie Blu Boy - 3.30 Lingfield        3rd 2/1F    -1.00    -£14.86
24       03000d2 twm. (2)                        Resonare - 3.30 Ling                  Lost        -1.00    -£15.95
25       0020030 Nijinsky                        Ventura Reef - 5.00 Lingfield          Lost        -1.00    -£17.00
26▼       1020002 josh monk (4)                  Miss Milbourne - 3.40 Leicester        2nd 9/4    -1.00    -£17.15
27▼       0130020 barstool                        Carmela Marie - 3.50 Catterick        Lost        -1.00    -£17.83
28▼       32202d0 alist5 (3)                      LRF: - 5.20 Catterick                  Lost        -1.00    -£18.00
29▼       00300d0 hi5's (3)                      Foie Gras - 3.30 Lingfield            Lost        -1.00    -£21.00
  ▼       0003120 zipper (1)                      Retired                                                             
By:
Shanelee1966
When: 25 Feb 14 19:11
The only problem I see with a non selection being classed as a non runner is in the premier and possibly Div`s 1 & 2 at the end of the month in the relegation battles. Some will take the opportunity to settle for a n/r and hope the others lose. It more or less happens now with really short priced selections ie 1/8 1/10 and so on.

I`m all for either settling last race fav as max 6/4 2/1 or d/h on the isp.

You could do away with it altogether and not allow any, but that`s unfair for those on holiday or any other reason you couldn`t post.
By:
Knight Commander
When: 25 Feb 14 19:11
Third time's the charm Wink
By:
Shanelee1966
When: 25 Feb 14 19:12
I don`t miss naffin Silly
By:
Reged
When: 25 Feb 14 19:17
Some will take the opportunity to settle for a n/r and hope the others lose  - how is it different from now?

that`s unfair for those on holiday or any other reason you couldn`t post.
- surely not as unfair as those on holiday benefiting from something they didnt pick. Those on holiday would at least not be penalised for not posting. I think them's the breaks - you go on holiday, you're probably not going to win/be promoted that month, but not too likely to be relegated if you have scored some winners.
By:
Shanelee1966
When: 25 Feb 14 19:23
Hmmmmmmmmmmmm.

So how do we all feel about doing away with instructions (LRF) then, say 10 non posts settled as n/r then -£1 thereafter.

Many would ask others to post for them when on holiday.
By:
Reged
When: 25 Feb 14 19:23
okay, maybe I see the prob with the first ... could insist on people posting the last three or four days or lose a point?
By:
Shanelee1966
When: 25 Feb 14 19:29
Put it this way Reg. Let`s say Mr X is one place above the relegation zone in the premier and he decides not to post on Feb 25th 26th & 27th when he normally posts every day with out fail and is happy with three n/r`s and gets away with it.

I wouldn`t be very happy. I know, I know, tactics are used anyway and not just selecting a 1/20 shot, Mr Y who is just above Mr Z will select the same horse and so on.
By:
Reged
When: 25 Feb 14 19:31
And of course, they could all sit on their hands - I don't think there is a perfect solution, but clearly a number of people don't like the current format
By:
Reged
When: 25 Feb 14 19:33
It's very difficult to gauge opinion isn't it?
By:
Shanelee1966
When: 25 Feb 14 19:35
they could all sit on their hands

Again tactics and would be within the rules.

As I`ve always said, there is no easy solution.
By:
Shanelee1966
When: 25 Feb 14 19:37
It is Reg. If three napsters are on lrf and it comes in at 4/1 others are bound to feel aggrieved, even though the last four lrf`s have lost.
By:
dogdayafternoon
When: 25 Feb 14 19:38
mind if i but in and put up a selection for tomorrow.
fascino rustico 350 winc
By:
Shanelee1966
When: 25 Feb 14 19:41
ShockedShockedShocked
By:
Reged
When: 25 Feb 14 19:42
do you think dda's tryin to tell us something! Laugh
By:
Shanelee1966
When: 25 Feb 14 19:44
Take no notice of the losers in Division 2 LaughLaugh
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